Still No Love From Rolling Stone Mag

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I just went through the entire list and neither Escape or Frontiers are listed, however Culture Club is and Cindy Lauper. Wow, just wow.

Rolling Stone be some major Journey haters.

Rich the Culture Guy
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[kgdjpubs]

if it makes you feel any better, they don't care for Phil Collins and/or Genesis either, and I'd hazard a guess to say that Phil's No Jacket Required was bigger than Escape.

[Don]

Journey was a good band to see in concert. Their stadium shows were groundbreaking at the time. The two albums Escape and Frontiers sold moderately well, but if you weren't a Journey fan did Escape or Frontiers really bring anything new to the table besides an abundance of power ballads and pop/rock? There's a reason that the band's Greatest Hits album is their best seller by a large margin. Journey never had that one album that just floored you from tracks one through ten. Even here, you get a bunch of fans who prefer ROR over either of those two. Journey never had a record take off like Slippery When Wet, Hysteria, or Back In Black. They've had good albums but not necessarily great albums, no definitive Magnum opus to show the critics or to be heralded by their own fans.

[kgdjpubs]

Journey was a good band to see in concert. Their stadium shows were groundbreaking at the time. The two albums Escape and Frontiers sold moderately well, but if you weren't a Journey fan did Escape or Frontiers really bring anything new to the table besides an abundance of power ballads and pop/rock? There's a reason that the band's Greatest Hits album is their best seller by a large margin. Journey never had that one album that just floored you from tracks one through ten. Even here, you get a bunch of fans who prefer ROR over either of those two. Journey never had a record take off like Slippery When Wet, Hysteria, or Back In Black. They've had good albums but not necessarily great albums, no definitive Magnum opus to show the critics or to be heralded by their own fans.

Plenty of debate among DL fans that Pyromania is better than Hysteria. There's plenty of debate among Bon Jovi fans that New Jersey is better than Slippery, and I tend to agree, and also think These Days is better than either of them. That's the nature of fandom. Good doesn't necessarily mean popular, and popular doesn't necessarily translate to the best album.

The thing is that it's the follow-up album that really cements your place in history. Bon Jovi had New Jersey to follow Slippery. Def Leppard had Hysteria to follow Pyromania. For Journey, they hit strong with Escape, then Frontiers was a bit watered down because of the last-minute resequencing of the album. Not too shabby by any means, but it was a decent drop in sales from the Escape peak.

As far as the "Magnum opus" goes, I think Frontiers (with Ask the Lonely and Only the Young) might have been that album for Journey. Separate Ways, Faithfully, Send Her My Love, and the other two that were taken off might have done it. Two more radio hits probably would have been enough to boost it up to near-Escape levels, or maybe more. That's five solid hits from one album. Get that many hits off an album and people tend to start taking notice that would have written you off otherwise. Interesting "what if" game there...

[ebake02]

Pyromania is the last good album Def Leppard has done. Hysteria is dog shit plain and simple, nothing but mainstream pop.

[sniper16]

escape is thier pinnacle lp, it was huge when 2 million was a large seller, they didnt record during those 10 million seller era, but make no mistake, escape was the slippery when wet or hysteria of its time

[Don]

escape is thier pinnacle lp, it was huge when 2 million was a large seller, they didnt record during those 10 million seller era, but make no mistake, escape was the slippery when wet or hysteria of its time

Perhaps I'm comparing Varsity to J.V. here but Back In Black and The Wall came out before Escape and both have sold over 20 million copies.

Shit, Bat Out Of Hell came out in 1977 and it's sold around 14 million copies in the states as well.

[JourneyHard]

The group's seventh album ESCAPE produced three hit singles and sold over 9-million copies. In addition to its commercial success, the album also received critical acclaim that has eluded them through most of their existence.


Here is Detroit. They got a lot of radio play. All of the following songs were played on the radio here:

1. Don't Stop Believ'n
2. Stone In Love
3. Who's Cry'n Now
4. Keep On Runnin'
5. Escape
6. Open Arms

In fact, back in the day, (1982) I went to the record store (that is what they called them back then) to buy some crap I can't even remember what, but they didn't have it. So I figured since I made the trip, I should buy something so I bought ESCAPE. I got home and started listening to it and I asked myself, "Is this a Greatest Hits Album?" I knew pretty much all the songs!!!
I must have heard them all on the radio and subconsciously absorbed them. ESCAPE is the masterpiece Journey album of all-time! But maybe Eclipse can be the second masterpiece!

[S2M]

The group's seventh album ESCAPE produced three hit singles and sold over 9-million copies. In addition to its commercial success, the album also received critical acclaim that has eluded them through most of their existence.


Here is Detroit. They got a lot of radio play. All of the following songs were played on the radio here:

1. Don't Stop Believ'n
2. Stone In Love
3. Who's Cry'n Now
4. Keep On Runnin'
5. Escape
6. Open Arms

In fact, back in the day, (1982) I went to the record store (that is what they called them back then) to buy some crap I can't even remember what, but they didn't have it. So I figured since I made the trip, I should buy something so I bought ESCAPE. I got home and started listening to it and I asked myself, "Is this a Greatest Hits Album?" I knew pretty much all the songs!!!
I must have heard them all on the radio and subconsciously absorbed them. ESCAPE is the masterpiece Journey album of all-time! But maybe Eclipse can be the second masterpiece!

Frontiers is the 2nd masterpiece....Eclipse is a DISTANT 8th or 9th......

[ebake02]

I always keep an issue of Rolling Stone in the bathroom in case I run out of TP

[jrny84]

Rolling Stone and the hall of fame both have no respect for some of the biggest rock and pop/rock bands of all time. Its not just a Journey thing.

They dont give respect to Chicago (100+ million sold), Foreigner (65+million sold), Genesis (150 million sold), and so on. Its a joke.

[jrnyjetster]

They lost all credibility when they put fucking Britney Spears on a cover.

[Andrew]

Rolling Drone suck. Not even worth mentioning since about 1988.

[Seven Wishes2]

In 1987, they gave Katrina and the Waves 4.5 out of 5 stars for their horrendous "Walking on Sunshine" album, the title song to which was not even written by the "band". ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars, while Elvis Costello's release was supposedly 5.0 out of 5, and C&C "Music" Factory warranted a 4.0. That was the last time I used that piece of shit rag as reading material, as opposed to pee paper for my puppy.

Fuck RS and fuck the R&R HOF.

[brywool]

You're right, I don't love it...

oh... FROM

Rolling Stone seems to think GLEE is the second coming of Music. Shows you were they are at.
Sucky magazine.

I remember when they were saying REM was the band of the year. SERIOUSLY??? REM????

[Saint John]

ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars

They got that one right. For its position in the Journey catalog and the shape of the music landscape, they shit down their legs with that embarrassing effort.

[brywool]

ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars

They got that one right. For its position in the Journey catalog and the shape of the music landscape, they shit down their legs with that embarrassing effort.

Out of all the Journey albums, ROR is the most dated sounding. I blame it on Cain's keyboard sounds. I know a lot here don't dig "Girl Can't Help It" but those harmonies are some of Journey's best. Positive Touch and some others on that album though were not good songs for Journey.

[S2M]

ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars

They got that one right. For its position in the Journey catalog and the shape of the music landscape, they shit down their legs with that embarrassing effort.

Hmmm...isn't ROR from Frontiers....the same change as Eclipse is from Revelation? Let's not become hypocrites here....its the same awkward direction....a 1.5 would be generous.....

[Saint John]

ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars

They got that one right. For its position in the Journey catalog and the shape of the music landscape, they shit down their legs with that embarrassing effort.

Hmmm...isn't ROR from Frontiers....the same change as Eclipse is from Revelation? Let's not become hypocrites here....its the same awkward direction....a 1.5 would be generous.....

You're not making sense at all. Escape rocked a little, Frontiers rocked harder and then ... ROR was totally gay. Not really a good or logical progression ... especially given the musical landscape. Revelation was a really safe Journey album to introduce Arnel and bring back as many of the factions of the fan base as possible. Now, with that base on board, it's time to rock a little harder. The hard rock/metal fests they played on the Revelation tour prepared us for this. This is the album we were promised. There is no hypocrisy here. Just you trying to whine about something that doesn't exist ... like always.

[S2M]

ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars

They got that one right. For its position in the Journey catalog and the shape of the music landscape, they shit down their legs with that embarrassing effort.

Hmmm...isn't ROR from Frontiers....the same change as Eclipse is from Revelation? Let's not become hypocrites here....its the same awkward direction....a 1.5 would be generous.....

You're not making sense at all. Escape rocked a little, Frontiers rocked harder and then ... ROR was totally gay. Not really a good or logical progression ... especially given the musical landscape. Revelation was a really safe Journey album to introduce Arnel and bring back as many of the factions of the fan base as possible. Now, with that base on board, it's time to rock a little harder. The hard rock/metal fests they played on the Revelation tour prepared us for this. This is the album we were promised. There is no hypocrisy here. Just you trying to whine about something that doesn't exist ... like always.

You got me there, Dan....I do whine about god a lot.....

[Seven Wishes2]

ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars

They got that one right. For its position in the Journey catalog and the shape of the music landscape, they shit down their legs with that embarrassing effort.

It's not right when REM and Katrina get 5 stars. Nope.

[Saint John]

ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars

They got that one right. For its position in the Journey catalog and the shape of the music landscape, they shit down their legs with that embarrassing effort.

It's not right when REM and Katrina get 5 stars. Nope.

Yeah, those bands do blow whale cock.

[kgdjpubs]

ROR received 1.5 out of 5 stars

They got that one right. For its position in the Journey catalog and the shape of the music landscape, they shit down their legs with that embarrassing effort.

Hmmm...isn't ROR from Frontiers....the same change as Eclipse is from Revelation? Let's not become hypocrites here....its the same awkward direction....a 1.5 would be generous.....

You're not making sense at all. Escape rocked a little, Frontiers rocked harder and then ... ROR was totally gay. Not really a good or logical progression ... especially given the musical landscape. Revelation was a really safe Journey album to introduce Arnel and bring back as many of the factions of the fan base as possible. Now, with that base on board, it's time to rock a little harder. The hard rock/metal fests they played on the Revelation tour prepared us for this. This is the album we were promised. There is no hypocrisy here. Just you trying to whine about something that doesn't exist ... like always.

Dated production? Yes.
Best direction for Journey to go after Frontiers? Probably not.
Best way to retain the rock audience that you have spent years cultivating? Most definitely not.
....but I still like the album--a lot. It's just not what I go after when I'm in search of a rock album.

[george_g]

[quote="ebake02"]Pyromania is the last good album Def Leppard has done. Hysteria is dog shit plain and simple, nothing but mainstream pop.[/quote]

Lord, what a blasphemy!

[Saint John]

Dated production? Yes.
Best direction for Journey to go after Frontiers? Probably not.
Best way to retain the rock audience that you have spent years cultivating? Most definitely not.
....but I still like the album--a lot. It's just not what I go after when I'm in search of a rock album.

Fair enough. In the end, personal preference is what really matters.

[Melissa]

One of the worst mags out there, I wouldn't consider it a bad thing at all to never get a nod from them.

[Jana]

You're right, I don't love it...

oh... FROM

Rolling Stone seems to think GLEE is the second coming of Music. Shows you were they are at.
Sucky magazine.

I remember when they were saying REM was the band of the year. SERIOUSLY??? REM????

I would never call them band of the year, but I liked R.E.M.'s early work. Lost interest in their later music. I was researching whether to buy their 2008 album once and came on a discussion and loved this post. Pretty funny but true. It relates to all bands that have been around for a long time and lost that fire in their belly from their younger days.

"The best work of Mike Stipe is behind him and we all have to live with that. Folks can only make good rock when they don't know any better. Once you get some recognition from the Man, he pays you and you can buy lots of stuff and then the next thing you know you're writing the song "Leaving New York". I heard that in the grocery store the other day and that's where it belongs, quite frankly.
Unfortunatley all the fans want is for the band to keep putting out Reconing and Murmur over and over again. It ain't happenin! With all of that said, sometimes a rock group that's been around way too long gets tired of sucking and puts together a good record. Or they get lucky. This is that record. I'm so relieved that its not terrible... its non-suckness is its best quality."

[Don]

You're right, I don't love it...

oh... FROM

Rolling Stone seems to think GLEE is the second coming of Music. Shows you were they are at.
Sucky magazine.

I remember when they were saying REM was the band of the year. SERIOUSLY??? REM????

I would never call them band of the year, but I liked R.E.M.'s early work. Lost interest in their later music. I was researching whether to buy their 2008 album once and came on a discussion and loved this post. Pretty funny but true. It relates to all bands that have been around for a long time and lost that fire in their belly from their younger days.

"The best work of Mike Stipe is behind him and we all have to live with that. Folks can only make good rock when they don't know any better. Once you get some recognition from the Man, he pays you and you can buy lots of stuff and then the next thing you know you're writing the song "Leaving New York". I heard that in the grocery store the other day and that's where it belongs, quite frankly.
Unfortunatley all the fans want is for the band to keep putting out Reconing and Murmur over and over again. It ain't happenin! With all of that said, sometimes a rock group that's been around way too long gets tired of sucking and puts together a good record. Or they get lucky. This is that record. I'm so relieved that its not terrible... its non-suckness is its best quality."

New sig line idea

[Jana]

LOL After I pasted that, I thought, uh oh, bad idea.