MR

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:19 am**

If Sony had gotten their way and edited out the guitar solo at the end of the tune, do you think that song still would have become Journey's second highest charting single ever?

With COH, Human Feel and probably any other potential single on Eclipse falling under the radio edit knife, is it even a difference maker?
What do you think?

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:40 am**

Great question. Perry going to bat for Neal's solo, to me, is really what rounded the song out and made it the epic song that it is. Without that ending, it's just a pretty good song.

As for the new songs, without hearing them in their CD quality entirety, it's just impossible to say at this point.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:48 am**

To be honest, the only song I have ever hear where the edit was so obvoius was Hard To Say I'm Sorry by Chicago. The song still hit #1 but it annoyed me that it faded at the end and you just knew there was more to it.
It wasn't until a bought the CD a few years later that I heard the complete version. Hearing that though, I could understand why Get Away was nipped as it took the song to a completely different place, transitioning from a ballad into something altogether different.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:55 am**

Don wrote: Hearing that though, I could understand why Get Away was nipped as it took the song to a completely different place, transitioning from a ballad into something altogether different.

Look Away?

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:58 am**

Songs that I though were edited but apparently weren't are Babe and Why Can't This Night Go On Forever. Both of them seem to just end too soon; the former feels like it's missing a verse and the latter seems like a longer guitar solo should be there taking it the end, just like WCN.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:01 am**

Saint John wrote:
Don wrote: Hearing that though, I could understand why Get Away was nipped as it took the song to a completely different place, transitioning from a ballad into something altogether different.

Look Away?

No, Get Away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXmm2xHkvI

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:11 am**

Don wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Don wrote: Hearing that though, I could understand why Get Away was nipped as it took the song to a completely different place, transitioning from a ballad into something altogether different.

Look Away?

No, Get Away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXmm2xHkvI

Never knew that jam had a name. :oops:

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:59 pm**

Don wrote:To be honest, the only song I have ever hear where the edit was so obvoius was Hard To Say I'm Sorry by Chicago. The song still hit #1 but it annoyed me that it faded at the end and you just knew there was more to it.
It wasn't until a bought the CD a few years later that I heard the complete version. Hearing that though, I could understand why Get Away was nipped as it took the song to a completely different place, transitioning from a ballad into something altogether different.

Little Red Corvette is another obvious edit....but then again I'M a Prince fan.....most aren't.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:18 pm**

S2M wrote:I'M a Prince fan.....most aren't.

One of the true geniuses in music.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:24 pm**

The album/radio edit of "Just the Same Way" ends too soon. Love Neal's solo outro when he plays it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZLfjsqbx90

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:31 pm**

Saint John wrote:
S2M wrote:I'M a Prince fan.....most aren't.

One of the true geniuses in music.

Dude lost his genius after '94s Gold Experience...and I lost track.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:34 pm**

S2M wrote:
Saint John wrote:
S2M wrote:I'M a Prince fan.....most aren't.

One of the true geniuses in music.

Dude lost his genius after '94s Gold Experience...and I lost track.

I think he just lost interest and/or got frustrated with the industry. But I'd bet anything that he's still got "it."

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:36 pm**

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The album/radio edit of "Just the Same Way" ends too soon. Love Neal's solo outro when he plays it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZLfjsqbx90

One of my all time favorite Journey songs.

I had that whole concert at one time. Hard drive died and I lost it. :evil:

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:40 pm**

Rick wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The album/radio edit of "Just the Same Way" ends too soon. Love Neal's solo outro when he plays it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZLfjsqbx90

One of my all time favorite Journey songs.

I had that whole concert at one time. Hard drive died and I lost it.

I....have....the....show.....

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:41 pm**

Rick wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The album/radio edit of "Just the Same Way" ends too soon. Love Neal's solo outro when he plays it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZLfjsqbx90

One of my all time favorite Journey songs.

I had that whole concert at one time. Hard drive died and I lost it.

It's up on Jamtothis. My upload isn't seeded anymore but another one is.

I'll get it up on Demonoid one of these days, just finished uploading the 81 Tokyo show earlier this month. Got 90 downloads out of it so far which was a pleasant surprize.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:54 pm**

Don wrote:
Rick wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The album/radio edit of "Just the Same Way" ends too soon. Love Neal's solo outro when he plays it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZLfjsqbx90

One of my all time favorite Journey songs.

I had that whole concert at one time. Hard drive died and I lost it.

It's up on Jamtothis. My upload isn't seeded anymore but another one is.

I'll get it up on Demonoid one of these days, just finished uploading the 81 Tokyo show earlier this month. Got 90 downloads out of it so far which was a pleasant surprize.

Thanks Don. I'll check out Jamtothis.

edit:

Found it!

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:20 pm**

Rick wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The album/radio edit of "Just the Same Way" ends too soon. Love Neal's solo outro when he plays it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZLfjsqbx90

One of my all time favorite Journey songs.

I had that whole concert at one time. Hard drive died and I lost it.

One of my all time fav's as well. I've become so programmed by listening to Captured that I always expect to immediately hear Line of Fire at the end of Just the Same Way. :lol:

It's kinda like the way some radio stations would actually play the album version of particular songs and in Journey's case, I used to love it when the DJ would let LTS run right into City of the Angels. Ahhhh..... the good old days when the quality of the music mattered and most everything released by any of the best acts had staying power. It was not uncommon to still be hearing songs in regular radio rotation more than a year after it was released. I always use Boston as an example of that point. As God is my witness, I'm fairly certain that a day has not gone by in the past 25 years or so that I haven't heard a track from either of Boston's first 2 albums played on the radio. Journey had that kind of hook with their music at one time.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:37 pm**

Saint John wrote:
S2M wrote:I'M a Prince fan.....most aren't.

One of the true geniuses in music.

I used to take great pride in hating Prince. I couldn't stand anything about him.I hated EVERYTHING associated with him. I considered him the biggest joke in the music business. Then when he changed his name to whatever the fuck that symbol was, I was convinced he was the anti-Christ. That stunt took my hatred and mocking to a whole new level.
Fast-forward 10 years. My best friend's wife LOVES Prince. She is a walking, breathing, eating, sleeping Prince encyclopedia. One evening, for whatever reason, his name came up in conversation and of course I started ripping the little fucker apart. Turns out, everything I knew or thought I knew about him was largely inaccurate. I guess it was the way she handled my objections and complaints about him that made me take a second look at him and forgetting everything I thought I knew about him. The more I learned, the more impressed I was with him not only as a musician but as a producer. As it turned out, he is an incredibly talented individual. One of the things that really opened my eyes to his abilities as a musician was a concert DVD she played for me. At one point during his show, he launches into a guitar solo that literally had me dropping my jaw. If you ever get the chance to see one of his concerts on DVD or otherwise, you'll be blown away by the part of his show that is a tribute to Jimi Hendrix. Phenomenal!

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:59 pm**

I seem to remember them editing the daylights out of a Steve Perry song "You Better Wait" for the radio where they chopped out a large chunk of the intro and totally restructured the back end of the song. While I thought the song flowed better for it, it was such a hatchet job. You can tell where they cropped whole sections when you hear that solo guitar preceded by a split-second part of a Perry harmony that got chopped.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:35 am**

JRNYMAN wrote:
Saint John wrote:
S2M wrote:I'M a Prince fan.....most aren't.

One of the true geniuses in music.

I used to take great pride in hating Prince. I couldn't stand anything about him.I hated EVERYTHING associated with him. I considered him the biggest joke in the music business. Then when he changed his name to whatever the fuck that symbol was, I was convinced he was the anti-Christ. That stunt took my hatred and mocking to a whole new level.
Fast-forward 10 years. My best friend's wife LOVES Prince. She is a walking, breathing, eating, sleeping Prince encyclopedia. One evening, for whatever reason, his name came up in conversation and of course I started ripping the little fucker apart. Turns out, everything I knew or thought I knew about him was largely inaccurate. I guess it was the way she handled my objections and complaints about him that made me take a second look at him and forgetting everything I thought I knew about him. The more I learned, the more impressed I was with him not only as a musician but as a producer. As it turned out, he is an incredibly talented individual. One of the things that really opened my eyes to his abilities as a musician was a concert DVD she played for me. At one point during his show, he launches into a guitar solo that literally had me dropping my jaw. If you ever get the chance to see one of his concerts on DVD or otherwise, you'll be blown away by the part of his show that is a tribute to Jimi Hendrix. Phenomenal!

Just show any non-Price fans this and things will change:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifp_SVrlurY

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:35 am**

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The album/radio edit of "Just the Same Way" ends too soon. Love Neal's solo outro when he plays it live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZLfjsqbx90

My fave Journey tune of all-time.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:37 am**

Saint John wrote:Great question. Perry going to bat for Neal's solo, to me, is really what rounded the song out and made it the epic song that it is. Without that ending, it's just a pretty good song.

I skip/fast forward to the guitar solo.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:42 am**

Don wrote:To be honest, the only song I have ever hear where the edit was so obvoius was Hard To Say I'm Sorry by Chicago. The song still hit #1 but it annoyed me that it faded at the end and you just knew there was more to it.
It wasn't until a bought the CD a few years later that I heard the complete version. Hearing that though, I could understand why Get Away was nipped as it took the song to a completely different place, transitioning from a ballad into something altogether different.

Hard Habit to Break is a different beast live, too. Is it different on the album over the radio edit?

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:48 am**

amen

Saint John wrote:
S2M wrote:I'M a Prince fan.....most aren't.

One of the true geniuses in music.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:38 am**

Eric wrote:
Don wrote:To be honest, the only song I have ever hear where the edit was so obvoius was Hard To Say I'm Sorry by Chicago. The song still hit #1 but it annoyed me that it faded at the end and you just knew there was more to it.
It wasn't until a bought the CD a few years later that I heard the complete version. Hearing that though, I could understand why Get Away was nipped as it took the song to a completely different place, transitioning from a ballad into something altogether different.

Hard Habit to Break is a different beast live, too. Is it different on the album over the radio edit?

I don't recall a different album version. I have the song on a couple Import CDs and I'm pretty sure they're all the same.

Posted: **Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:28 am**

There is a hideous edit in Billy Joel's "My Life" which cuts out his keyboard solo and goes abruptly to his chorus, "I don't care what you say anymore, this is my life." truly hideous.

Posted: **Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:56 am**

ForceInfinity wrote:I seem to remember them editing the daylights out of a Steve Perry song "You Better Wait" for the radio where they chopped out a large chunk of the intro and totally restructured the back end of the song. While I thought the song flowed better for it, it was such a hatchet job. You can tell where they cropped whole sections when you hear that solo guitar preceded by a split-second part of a Perry harmony that got chopped.

I was gonna mention that one, myself.

They hacked the shit out of that one.

I MUCH PREFER the CD version of the song over the version that was played on the radio.

MR

Who's Crying Now and radio edits.

Who's Crying Now and radio edits.