The day DSB died

by **Don** » Sat May 14, 2011 3:07 am

I'm going to go out on a limb and say James Durbin's performance of Don't Stop Believin' will be the proverbial straw that finally breaks the song's momentum and signifies it's descent back out of the public consciousness.
Reading all the comments around the internet about what happened last night, one theme is common, more so than Jame's screeching voice and Haley getting the sympathy vote; it's the term 'overplayed'.
Maybe it's finally time to Stop Believin'.

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat May 14, 2011 3:22 am

There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

by **Don** » Sat May 14, 2011 3:26 am

steveo777 wrote:There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

The people interested in those will show up at the concerts. From a retail standpoint, it may finally be time for Journey to join it's peers as far as moving product is concerned.

by **Don** » Sat May 14, 2011 3:36 am

Well, Perry can now go back enjoy his retirement undisturbed .....OR......... can realize that the DSB gravy train is coming to a stop and it might be time for him to do something, anything to make sure he doesn't disappear back into obscurity in the very foreseeable future.

Watch the song take off again and me eating crow six months from now.

by **Saint John** » Sat May 14, 2011 3:49 am

Don wrote:Well, Perry can now go back enjoy his retirement undisturbed .....OR......... can realize that the DSB gravy train is coming to a stop and it might be time for him to do something, anything to make sure he doesn't disappear back into obscurity in the very foreseeable future.

Perhaps he's going to have some sort of big announcement in June/July?

by **VirgilTheart** » Sat May 14, 2011 4:08 am

Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

The people interested in those will show up at the concerts. From a retail standpoint, it may finally be time for Journey to join it's peers as far as moving product is concerned.

I don't know about that; Separate Ways has popped up in Yes Man and Tron 2, so I could see that song succeeding DSB in the media in the future.

by **Don** » Sat May 14, 2011 4:13 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

The people interested in those will show up at the concerts. From a retail standpoint, it may finally be time for Journey to join it's peers as far as moving product is concerned.

I don't know about that; Separate Ways has popped up in Yes Man and Tron 2, so I could see that song succeeding DSB in the media in the future.

It's not going to have a run like DSB did, not without being hitched to some top rated TV show or Movie. The only legacy rock song from the '80s currently even close to the success of DSB is 'Living On A Prayer' which continues to have a top 20 presence on iTune charts all over the world.

The past hits and the ever presence of Perry in all things Journey needs to go away for awhile, if just for the band to get a little breathing room to redefine itself with new material.

by **VirgilTheart** » Sat May 14, 2011 4:24 am

Don wrote:It's not going to have a run like DSB did, not without being hitched to some top rated TV show or Movie. The only legacy rock song from the '80s currently even close to the success of DSB is 'Living On A Prayer' which continues to have a top 20 presence on iTune charts all over the world.

The past hits and the ever presence of Perry in all things Journey needs to go away for awhile, if just for the band to get a little breathing room to redefine itself with new material.

I suppose that's a good point. :wink:

And hell, if distancing Perry and the old 80 classics gives the band more room to rebuild themselves on Arnel and the new material, then I'm totally for that. :mrgreen:

by **SusieP** » Sun May 15, 2011 9:05 pm

I'm sick of hearing the bloody thing.

by **VirgilTheart** » Sun May 15, 2011 9:09 pm

SusieP wrote:I'm sick of hearing the bloody thing.

Aren't we all though? :wink:

Seriously, I'd love to see Journey do at least ONE concert playing a setlist comprised entirely lesser known songs (the most well-known of those numbers being on the line of 'Edge of the Blade', 'Mother, Father' or 'Winds of March' or perhaps something from the Augeri era). A concert for the die-hard Journey fans.

by **Glenn** » Sun May 15, 2011 10:41 pm

Don wrote:
VirgilTheart wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

The people interested in those will show up at the concerts. From a retail standpoint, it may finally be time for Journey to join it's peers as far as moving product is concerned.

I don't know about that; Separate Ways has popped up in Yes Man and Tron 2, so I could see that song succeeding DSB in the media in the future.

It's not going to have a run like DSB did, not without being hitched to some top rated TV show or Movie. The only legacy rock song from the '80s currently even close to the success of DSB is 'Living On A Prayer' which continues to have a top 20 presence on iTune charts all over the world.

The past hits and the ever presence of Perry in all things Journey needs to go away for awhile, if just for the band to get a little breathing room to redefine itself with new material.

I don't know if you saw this that I posted...How does this play out for you?

beginning, middle, and end of clip

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=51302

I'm tired of the tune, but liked it used in the flick.

by **ebake02** » Mon May 16, 2011 1:55 am

Don wrote: can realize that the DSB gravy train is coming to a stop and it might be time for him to do something, anything to make sure he doesn't disappear back into obscurity in the very foreseeable future.

I would call it the Journey gravy train and it's not coming to an end. They're probably paying Perry a shit load of money to pay the dirty dozen at every concert plus album sales and radio airplay royalties. I'll bet he's making just as much, if not more, than Neal, Ross and Jonathan are.

by **StevePerryHair** » Mon May 16, 2011 2:10 am

My daughter bought herself a "teen girl style" Journey shirt in a TEEN store the other day. She told me lots of kids wear Journey shirts now, and she gets irritated asking them if they even know who Journey are. And she said a couple of them have said, "of course, duh, Don't Stop Believin" And my daughter said it bugs her because they are so much more than that song! :lol:

That song has given them popularity with the youth. No matter how tired us old folks are, the youth love it! :lol:

by **Don** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:19 am

ebake02 wrote:
Don wrote: can realize that the DSB gravy train is coming to a stop and it might be time for him to do something, anything to make sure he doesn't disappear back into obscurity in the very foreseeable future.

I would call it the Journey gravy train and it's not coming to an end. They're probably paying Perry a shit load of money to pay the dirty dozen at every concert plus album sales and radio airplay royalties. I'll bet he's making just as much, if not more, than Neal, Ross and Jonathan are.

They don't have to pay Perry for the songs they play in concert.
The big money is in licensing the usage of the song and I really believe that it has reached its zenith and the requests will start to ebb now as the song has long since passed 100% saturation in most markets.

I understand that it's not going to disappear overnight but I betting that it will pretty much have slowed down when the second half of the Eclipse tour starts in 2012.

by **Saint John** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:29 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
SusieP wrote:I'm sick of hearing the bloody thing.

Aren't we all though?

Not really. I still enjoy the hell out of the song. But I have really never heard it on television, other than in The Soprano's finale, and hardly ever hear it on the radio. So, for me, it's still a great song. But I don't watch Glee, AI, Family Guy or any of the other shows that have played it to death.

by **VirgilTheart** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:39 am

Saint John wrote:
VirgilTheart wrote:
SusieP wrote:I'm sick of hearing the bloody thing.

Aren't we all though?

Not really. I still enjoy the hell out of the song. But I have really never heard it on television, other than in The Soprano's finale, and hardly ever hear it on the radio. So, for me, it's still a great song. But I don't watch Glee, AI, Family Guy or any of the other shows that have played it to death.

I have an odd combination of love and hate towards the song. On the one hand, it's hooky and a great song, but on the other hand, it HAS been overplayed for me. :lol:

by **Don** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:55 am

There are a few songs overseas that are very close to DSB territory, sitting in the top 40 of many charts week in and out.
Bring Me To Life
Living In A Prayer
Don't Want To Miss A Thing

I think the difference here is those songs just sell, where as DSB is (allegedly) in your face, at least here in the states if you watch a lot of TV and follow the popular programs. I think the radio is the song's weakest proponent to tell the truth as Who's Crying Now seems to have gotten much more airplay over the years, at least in my neck of the woods.

by **VirgilTheart** » Mon May 16, 2011 5:57 am

Don wrote:There are a few songs overseas that are very close to DSB territory, sitting in the top 40 of many charts week in and out.
Bring Me To Life
Living In A Prayer
Don't Want To Miss A Thing

I think the difference here is those songs just sell, where as DSB is (allegedly) in your face, at least here in the states if you watch a lot of TV and follow the popular programs. I think the radio is the song's weakest proponent to tell the truth as Who's Crying Now seems to have gotten much more airplay over the years, at least in my neck of the woods.

I do agree that I've been hearing Who's Crying Now a lot more on the radio nowadays.

And I can certainly see those aforementioned songs still getting a lot of airplay. Not to mention how many teenagers and young adults make AMVs with those songs on YouTube. :wink:

by **Don** » Mon May 16, 2011 6:00 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
Don wrote:There are a few songs overseas that are very close to DSB territory, sitting in the top 40 of many charts week in and out.
Bring Me To Life
Living In A Prayer
Don't Want To Miss A Thing

I think the difference here is those songs just sell, where as DSB is (allegedly) in your face, at least here in the states if you watch a lot of TV and follow the popular programs. I think the radio is the song's weakest proponent to tell the truth as Who's Crying Now seems to have gotten much more airplay over the years, at least in my neck of the woods.

I do agree that I've been hearing Who's Crying Now a lot more on the radio nowadays.

And I can certainly see those aforementioned songs still getting a lot of airplay. Not to mention how many teenagers and young adults make AMVs with those songs on YouTube.

Man, Is Linkin Park King of the AMVs or what? Their songs are everywhere.

by **Don** » Mon May 16, 2011 6:12 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
Don wrote:There are a few songs overseas that are very close to DSB territory, sitting in the top 40 of many charts week in and out.
Bring Me To Life
Living In A Prayer
Don't Want To Miss A Thing

I think the difference here is those songs just sell, where as DSB is (allegedly) in your face, at least here in the states if you watch a lot of TV and follow the popular programs. I think the radio is the song's weakest proponent to tell the truth as Who's Crying Now seems to have gotten much more airplay over the years, at least in my neck of the woods.

I do agree that I've been hearing Who's Crying Now a lot more on the radio nowadays.

And I can certainly see those aforementioned songs still getting a lot of airplay. Not to mention how many teenagers and young adults make AMVs with those songs on YouTube.

WCN being included on a DVD that sold over ten million copies
(Monsters VS Aliens) didn't hurt its exposure either.

by **jestor92** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:49 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

The people interested in those will show up at the concerts. From a retail standpoint, it may finally be time for Journey to join it's peers as far as moving product is concerned.

I don't know about that; Separate Ways has popped up in Yes Man and Tron 2, so I could see that song succeeding DSB in the media in the future.

Don't forget about Separate Ways being in the movie "Yes Man" with Jim Carey.

by **VirgilTheart** » Mon May 16, 2011 7:52 am

jestor92 wrote:
VirgilTheart wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

The people interested in those will show up at the concerts. From a retail standpoint, it may finally be time for Journey to join it's peers as far as moving product is concerned.

I don't know about that; Separate Ways has popped up in Yes Man and Tron 2, so I could see that song succeeding DSB in the media in the future.

Don't forget about Separate Ways being in the movie "Yes Man" with Jim Carey.

Might want to get a check up on your eyesight, buddy. :wink:

by **Rick** » Mon May 16, 2011 10:22 am

VirgilTheart wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

The people interested in those will show up at the concerts. From a retail standpoint, it may finally be time for Journey to join it's peers as far as moving product is concerned.

I don't know about that; Separate Ways has popped up in Yes Man and Tron 2, so I could see that song succeeding DSB in the media in the future.

It sounded great in that movie too. They beefed up the bass drum beat and made it rockier.

by **ebake02** » Mon May 16, 2011 10:28 am

I'd like to see some of Journey's heavier stuff get some attention.

by **VirgilTheart** » Mon May 16, 2011 10:35 am

Rick wrote:
VirgilTheart wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:There are plenty of other good songs in the Journey arsenal.
To say everyone involved has flat worn this song out is an understatement.
So maybe instead of people going out and buying more GH albums, they are
saying make it go away?

The people interested in those will show up at the concerts. From a retail standpoint, it may finally be time for Journey to join it's peers as far as moving product is concerned.

I don't know about that; Separate Ways has popped up in Yes Man and Tron 2, so I could see that song succeeding DSB in the media in the future.

It sounded great in that movie too. They beefed up the bass drum beat and made it rockier.

Which of the movies? Yes Man or Tron 2? :lol:

Either way, I was incredibly pumped up when the song came up in both films. :wink:

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon May 16, 2011 12:00 pm

ebake02 wrote:I'd like to see some of Journey's heavier stuff get some attention.

It will never happen. Just like this up coming album, it would scare too many people off.
Journey has some pretty hard rockers in the back catalog too. :wink:

by **Don** » Mon May 16, 2011 12:11 pm

steveo777 wrote:
ebake02 wrote:I'd like to see some of Journey's heavier stuff get some attention.

It will never happen. Just like this up coming album, it would scare too many people off.
Journey has some pretty hard rockers in the back catalog too.

By the middle of the tour, there will be people here and on the Arnel/Journey forums asking for more/specific ballads and mid-tempo songs to be included in the setlist.
Happens every tour.

Website · by **steveo777** » Mon May 16, 2011 12:19 pm

Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ebake02 wrote:I'd like to see some of Journey's heavier stuff get some attention.

It will never happen. Just like this up coming album, it would scare too many people off.
Journey has some pretty hard rockers in the back catalog too.

By the middle of the tour, there will be people here and on the Arnel/Journey forums asking for more/specific ballads and mid-tempo songs to be included in the setlist.
Journey can't escape from who they are.

I predict one more album and Cain will win. :lol:

by **Don** » Mon May 16, 2011 12:21 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ebake02 wrote:I'd like to see some of Journey's heavier stuff get some attention.

It will never happen. Just like this up coming album, it would scare too many people off.
Journey has some pretty hard rockers in the back catalog too.

By the middle of the tour, there will be people here and on the Arnel/Journey forums asking for more/specific ballads and mid-tempo songs to be included in the setlist.
Journey can't escape from who they are.

I predict one more album and Cain will win.

I predict the next album being a live CD/DVD package like what Def Leppard is doing and then after that, Cain quits. :lol:

by **ebake02** » Mon May 16, 2011 12:27 pm

Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Don wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ebake02 wrote:I'd like to see some of Journey's heavier stuff get some attention.

It will never happen. Just like this up coming album, it would scare too many people off.
Journey has some pretty hard rockers in the back catalog too.

By the middle of the tour, there will be people here and on the Arnel/Journey forums asking for more/specific ballads and mid-tempo songs to be included in the setlist.
Journey can't escape from who they are.

I predict one more album and Cain will win.

I predict the next album being a live CD/DVD package like what Def Leppard is doing and then after that, Cain quits.

I would be fine with that, then Rolie could come back and bring their music back to an Infinity type of sound.

MR

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