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Expected more of Journey and more of you. I apologize for where I let you guys down, but......
Journey still kicks ass, so fuck you and fuck me!

huh?

steveo777 wrote:Expected more of Journey and more of you. I apologize for where I let you guys down, but......
Journey still kicks ass, so fuck you and fuck me!

If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

Neal should have joined another band then. The direction he is trying to go seems reminiscent of Perry wanting to do his own thing.
I've met couples in my life time and well...they just ain't no good without each other. While the theme might seem full of victims
it's really not that bad. Where do they go from here? Return to the roots? I thought they could do that with Pineda, but then some
wanted them to go a different direction and they did. Fuck me. Which is the correct road to take? I bet they are all confused.
Touring might be comfortable this year. Step out a bit, out of the box, then the band gets lambasted for it. Step into the box
play familiar songs, then the band gets hammered for not evolving or moving away, moving on. What is the perfect Journey
at this point?

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:Expected more of Journey and more of you. I apologize for where I let you guys down, but......
Journey still kicks ass, so fuck you and fuck me!

If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

Why do you think that? It is certainly light on ballads, only 2 1/2, but Journey has the bases covered in the ballad area with the past catalogue. Eclipse has 4 mid tempo, 4 rockers, then ballads and an instrumental. DO you think maybe they should have cut the instrumental, and done one more ballad?

steveo777 wrote:Expected more of Journey and more of you. I apologize for where I let you guys down, but......
Journey still kicks ass, so fuck you and fuck me!

Thanks steveo

I still don't get how people cannot hear JOURNEY is this album!?

Is this part of some 12 step program or something?

For me, some of these songs are among the best this band has ever released. Edge Of The Moment and Chain Of Love are insanely good to me. City Of Hope, Tantra, Anything Is Possible and She's A Mystery are all very good as well. Sure, there are a few songs I tend to skip over when listening, but overall this is one of Journey's stronger works in the past several years IMO.

I commend the band for going their own way. If your not Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber your not going to get a lot of airplay anyway. I do disagree with their choice of City Of Hope as the first release. Chain Of Love all day long for me. That song simply kicks ass. Now if someone could give us the accurate lyrics, that would be awesome.

What the hell happened to the lyrics that come with the cd? MANY of them are wrong.

youkeepmewaiting wrote:I still don't get how people cannot hear JOURNEY is this album!?

because they won't allow themselves.

I hear some Journey here, and I hear several really good songs.
I hear over-processed guitar reminiscent of Piranha Blues.
I hear the same flat compressed snare drum, with some flashes of being bigger & more open in a few spots.
I hear JC trying, possibly too hard, to put his Journey on the record.
I hear RV playing bass maybe better than ever, but in more of a symphonic way.
And I hear AP sounding as good as he can.

But mostly what I hear is the NSB with the Journey name on it.
Looks like Schon finally got back at Perry for ROR.


later~

People over-examine things way too much. How can you say this doesn't sound like Journey? It's a different sounding direction but the same concepts apply and are still present. Everyone who has heard this CD so far (I burned 10 CD's already for people who aren't the hardcore Journey fan) and they liked the new era of sound but yet, still having the same solo's and piano work that makes it distinct as Journey. Heavier guitars and a moodier rock-direction is the only thing that they tried different.

I think it's an awesome album, totally not spoon-fed and the same-'ol, same 'ol that they've been putting out for their life's existence. I hope they stick to this as they continue to grow and adapt as a band. Not everyone needs to LOVE it, to each their own..but how can't other Journey fans feel the same?

Quote.....''I hope they stick to this as they continue to grow and adapt as a band''.

Continue to grow How much more growing can they do? 3/4 of em are pickin up their pensions pretty darned soon. Make no mistake, this is it for the band Journey. Eclipse is their last hoorahh, apart from maybe a live album/dvd.

Arkansas wrote:Looks like Schon finally got back at Perry for ROR.


later~

The only way he would be "getting back" at Perry is if he were able to make this kind of CD with Perry still in the band.

WykkedSensation wrote:Quote.....''I hope they stick to this as they continue to grow and adapt as a band''.

Continue to grow How much more growing can they do? 3/4 of em are pickin up their pensions pretty darned soon. Make no mistake, this is it for the band Journey. Eclipse is their last hoorahh, apart from maybe a live album/dvd.

Music has NOTHING to do with a persons age. As far as I'm concerned, as long as they can keep putting out top notch quality albums like Eclipse and keep adapting as a band, then their music continues to grow as a band. This is one kickass album, most bands out there can't come up with the quality that Journey displays as musicians so as a fan, as long as they can still rock and give fans a fresh display of their name, then I'm all for it. I'd say if they recorded the same album over and over again, then they'd be done but to see how the band wants to put something out DIFFERENT shows the opposite.

YoungJRNY wrote:Music has NOTHING to do with a persons age.

Neal's pushing 60 and is playing like a badass half his age.

Gideon wrote:

YoungJRNY wrote:Music has NOTHING to do with a persons age.

Neal's pushing 60 and is playing like a badass half his age.

BINGO.

YoungJRNY wrote:People over-examine things way too much. How can you say this doesn't sound like Journey? It's a different sounding direction but the same concepts apply and are still present. Everyone who has heard this CD so far (I burned 10 CD's already for people who aren't the hardcore Journey fan) and they liked the new era of sound but yet, still having the same solo's and piano work that makes it distinct as Journey. Heavier guitars and a moodier rock-direction is the only thing that they tried different.

I think it's an awesome album, totally not spoon-fed and the same-'ol, same 'ol that they've been putting out for their life's existence. I hope they stick to this as they continue to grow and adapt as a band. Not everyone needs to LOVE it, to each their own..but how can't other Journey fans feel the same?

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I read some of Andrew’s initial comments regarding “Eclipse” and I had some very high hopes for this album. Overall, it’s a very slight letdown. You can still tell its Journey and I do hear some awesome songs in the mix.

Overall, it’s still a very solid album and I can see myself pulling it out 2 years from now and enjoying it.

It is definitely not an album that grows on you right away but a slow cooker.
I wonder if all but the Journey faithful will hit the override button on the Attention Deficit Disorder and really get close to it?

Wasn’t this album supposed to be a hard hitting album which showed Journey with its combat boots on? It’s really not that hard in my opinion.
I mean I didn’t go running back to my copy of Raised On Radio screaming with my hands up in the air lol.

I was thinking that maybe they might carry the “Dead or alive” or “Keep on runnin” hard rock vibe throughout the album which would have been fine with me too.

H#ll, I’m probably in the minority, but I wish the harder songs were much HARDER dammit!!!
I think Neal is capable of so much more than what is put on disc (or vinyl : )

Arkansas above is right about the over-processed guitar sound. Sometimes technology sucks the life out of things.
I LOVE guitars but they have to really elevate the song as well as the listener.
Too often I hear a lot of over processed- over pasteurized guitar noodling going on in the mix when all I’d be satisfied to hear is a fat @ss outro/coda solo like from “Who’s crying now” or “Stone in love”.

Eclipse has its moments during Edge of a Moment, She’s A Mystery, Human Feel, and a couple others.

I’ve never been one to fast forward past the ballads, as I’ve always enjoyed them.
I just wish they had a couple REALLY killer ones at that.
Can’t please everyone I suppose :- )
Just my two cents…..

Arkansas wrote:I hear over-processed guitar reminiscent of Piranha Blues...

Methaddict wrote:Arkansas above is right about the over-processed guitar sound. Sometimes technology sucks the life out of things.
I LOVE guitars but they have to really elevate the song as well as the listener.
Too often I hear a lot of over processed- over pasteurized guitar noodling going on in the mix when all I’d be satisfied to hear is a fat @ss outro/coda solo like from “Who’s crying now” or “Stone in love”.

Are there more ways you can describe the "over processed" guitar sounds? Just as examples: Do you mean you want to hear less reverb, delay, some other effect? Do you dislike the quality of the distorted, gained-up sound? Is there too much gain, and would you prefer something more percussive, piano-like, with greater string definition in the chords?

Or are there other things entirely that you are thinking about that you don't (or do) like guitar tone-wise?

People are saying this is Journeys last hoorah or whatever.... are you mad? This album shows that this band has more life in it than it has done for years! Schon is more passionate than Journey than (my guess) he has been since the 1970s.

And Kudos to Cain he let Schon have the direction but brought some amazing moments to the album and most probably structured what Schon was unable to do.

Lots more Journey to come.

amen..i have 5 songs i like, the rest doesnt fit..

Rockindeano wrote:

steveo777 wrote:Expected more of Journey and more of you. I apologize for where I let you guys down, but......
Journey still kicks ass, so fuck you and fuck me!

If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

i have taken 6 songs from Eclipse, combined with 8 songs from Revelation, and called it Reclipse...and went about my business. It kicks ass to me in that format...

the rest is the NSB, and thats my opinion..

Steve, you don't like Eclipse? or is this sarcasm? Or what. I've been out of town again the last few days , so I'm not privy to any recent board jokes

Rockindeano wrote:If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

Have to agree with this. Sure I'm biased and my opinion is unpopular, but they're my ears. Yesterday, I listened full through to Eclipse then full through to What If... and IMO one sounds like a bonafide HARDROCK band and the other sounds like they're trying to be. And for me there is no standouts on it like Undertow or I Get The Feeling on this one. I've listened to it a few times now and gave it a chance, but this is one that will probably just be shelved now. Saying that, I DO love Neal's playing on this album and Arnel sounds real good too.....but there is just something missing in his vocals for me. LOL I guess it's true, once you go Gilbert/Sheehan it's hard to go back.

Deb wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

Have to agree with this. Sure I'm biased and my opinion is unpopular, but they're my ears. Yesterday, I listened full through to Eclipse then full through to What If... and IMO one sounds like a bonafide HARDROCK band and the other sounds like they're trying to be. And for me there is no standouts on it like Undertow or I Get The Feeling on this one. I've listened to it a few times now and gave it a chance, but this is one that will probably just be shelved now. Saying that, I DO love Neal's playing on this album and Arnel sounds real good too.....but there is just something missing in his vocals for me. LOL I guess it's true, once you go Gilbert/Sheehan it's hard to go back.

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Deb wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

Have to agree with this. Sure I'm biased and my opinion is unpopular, but they're my ears. Yesterday, I listened full through to Eclipse then full through to What If... and IMO one sounds like a bonafide HARDROCK band and the other sounds like they're trying to be. And for me there is no standouts on it like Undertow or I Get The Feeling on this one. I've listened to it a few times now and gave it a chance, but this is one that will probably just be shelved now. Saying that, I DO love Neal's playing on this album and Arnel sounds real good too.....but there is just something missing in his vocals for me. LOL I guess it's true, once you go Gilbert/Sheehan it's hard to go back.

I'm taking the nickel...

S2M wrote:

Deb wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

Have to agree with this. Sure I'm biased and my opinion is unpopular, but they're my ears. Yesterday, I listened full through to Eclipse then full through to What If... and IMO one sounds like a bonafide HARDROCK band and the other sounds like they're trying to be. And for me there is no standouts on it like Undertow or I Get The Feeling on this one. I've listened to it a few times now and gave it a chance, but this is one that will probably just be shelved now. Saying that, I DO love Neal's playing on this album and Arnel sounds real good too.....but there is just something missing in his vocals for me. LOL I guess it's true, once you go Gilbert/Sheehan it's hard to go back.

I'm taking the nickel...

Not sure what taking-the-nickel means? But hey, everybody's got opinions, that's mine.

Deb wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

Have to agree with this. Sure I'm biased and my opinion is unpopular, but they're my ears. Yesterday, I listened full through to Eclipse then full through to What If... and IMO one sounds like a bonafide HARDROCK band and the other sounds like they're trying to be.

I think Mr Big is a hard rock band, without "trying to sound like one!" I know this is a Journey forum, but no need to bash other bands, Mr Big may not be a good as great as Journey, but they aren't bad and have some talented musicians!

Majestic wrote:

Deb wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:If no one else will say it, I will. This latest cd just doesn't sound right. Sure, they are good mudicians. Sure thy can "rock" but it just sounds like they are trying to be Journey 2.0. I am not the only one here who thinks this. Red13Joepa also says the same thing This "new sound" or "rock harde" idea to me at least, just doen't fill the expected criteria. The ballads are missing. The mid tempos are are missing sorely. To me, it is the NSB2.

I know I will receive a shitload of flack for this take, but it is a solid effort, but MO WAY is it as good as some of you here say and damned sure ain't as good as McNeice has graded it. In all honestly, attaching "Journey" to this album is like tring to stick a LP into a cd case. it just doesn't fit.

Flame away.

Have to agree with this. Sure I'm biased and my opinion is unpopular, but they're my ears. Yesterday, I listened full through to Eclipse then full through to What If... and IMO one sounds like a bonafide HARDROCK band and the other sounds like they're trying to be.

I think Mr Big is a hard rock band, without "trying to sound like one!" I know this is a Journey forum, but no need to bash other bands, Mr Big may not be a good as great as Journey, but they aren't bad and have some talented musicians!

Deb wrote:

S2M wrote:

I'm taking the nickel...

Not sure what taking-the-nickel means? But hey, everybody's got opinions, that's mine.

I'm assuming 5th Amendment to the US Constitution, which protects against self-incrimination (among other things) ... must mean he's a closet Mr. Big fan ... big one ...