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Was wandering around Walmart early this morning and decided to see how many Journey CDs they had.

They had:

Revelation (2)

Infinity (1)

Frontiers (3)

Greatest Hits Live (1)

Eclipse (100+)

My Walmart serves an area of about 15,000 people

It was interesting that they only had three copies of Def Leppard's Mirrorball set.

Archetype wrote:Was wandering around Walmart early this morning and decided to see how many Journey CDs they had.

They had:

Revelation (2)

Infinity (1)

Frontiers (3)

Greatest Hits Live (1)

Eclipse (100+)

My Walmart serves an area of about 15,000 people

It was interesting that they only had three copies of Def Leppard's Mirrorball set.

That's twice as many Lippard cds as they'll need.

steveo777 wrote:

Archetype wrote:Was wandering around Walmart early this morning and decided to see how many Journey CDs they had.

They had:

Revelation (2)

Infinity (1)

Frontiers (3)

Greatest Hits Live (1)

Eclipse (100+)

My Walmart serves an area of about 15,000 people

It was interesting that they only had three copies of Def Leppard's Mirrorball set.

That's twice as many Lippard cds as they'll need.

I'm just trying to figure out how they would get 1 & 1/2 copies.

Elvis outsold Eclipse on Wal-Mart's chart all of last week. Now Eclipse is behind Leppard, Cook, Aretha Franklin and an 11 year old.
Digital sales for Eclipse have been dead from the beginning. The only Journey album on Wal-Mart's top 100 downloads is the Greatest Hits at #25. Forget about iTunes and Amazon. No album promotion on either service left it DOA.

Eclipse is averaging about three discs sold per Store, so for them to have 100 sitting on the rack shows you how much everyone was riding on DSB fever pushing this album.
Fail.

steveo777 wrote:That's twice as many Lippard cds as they'll need.

And they're still out selling Eclipse.

its free on Napster

RedWingFan wrote:

steveo777 wrote:That's twice as many Lippard cds as they'll need.

And they're still out selling Eclipse.

Mirrorball sold 19,350 in its debut week and Eclipse sold 21,400. Moreover, when Journey released a sweet package deal like Mirrorball, 2008's Revelation, it sold 105,000 in its first week.

Saint John wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

steveo777 wrote:That's twice as many Lippard cds as they'll need.

And they're still out selling Eclipse.

Mirrorball sold 19,350 in its debut week and Eclipse sold 21,400. Moreover, when Journey released a sweet package deal like Mirrorball, 2008's Revelation, it sold 105,000 in its first week.

And now, Aretha is outselling Mirrorball. As far as retail goes, only the Greatest Hits packages seem to be selling well, and I'm talking the majority of classic rock bands, not just Journey.

Don wrote:Elvis outsold Eclipse on Wal-Mart's chart all of last week. Now Eclipse is behind Leppard, Cook, Aretha Franklin and an 11 year old.
Digital sales for Eclipse have been dead from the beginning. The only Journey album on Wal-Mart's top 100 downloads is the Greatest Hits at #25. Forget about iTunes and Amazon. No album promotion on either service left it DOA.

Eclipse is averaging about three discs sold per Store, so for them to have 100 sitting on the rack shows you how much everyone was riding on DSB fever pushing this album.
Fail.

It also shows how much money Wal-Mart lost of this deal. Even if they outsell Def Leppard, DL probably actually made Wal-Mart a few dollars...because it sounds like they sold what Wal-Mart expected.

Saint John wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

steveo777 wrote:That's twice as many Lippard cds as they'll need.

And they're still out selling Eclipse.

Mirrorball sold 19,350 in its debut week and Eclipse sold 21,400. Moreover, when Journey released a sweet package deal like Mirrorball, 2008's Revelation, it sold 105,000 in its first week.

And, having 100 copies of Revelation still on the shelf compared to DL's 1 says a lot about what was expected, how much was spent on ordering CD's, and how much wasted shelf space it is now taking up. Mirrorball may be just as big of a flop, but not nearly as much money was wasted on the product.

I bet ya though that 'Mirrorball' sells a lot more overall than 'Eclipse' does. Lets wait for the sales after 6 months and Lippard will be way ahead.

WykkedSensation wrote:I bet ya though that 'Mirrorball' sells a lot more overall than 'Eclipse' does. Lets wait for the sales after 6 months and Lippard will be way ahead.

Yeah, you're probably right. Like Revelation, it's just too good of a deal for most fans to pass up. But the dismal numbers for each show a common denominator ... but what is it? Is it that people have given up on the genre? I can't see this being the case, when just 3 years ago Revelation sold so well. Now DL, a group with just as many fans as Journey, puts out essentially the same package as Revelation, and it flops in its debut.

My guess is that most people simply didn't know these items were on sale. Especially in Mirrorball's case, as those numbers shocked me. But it did have some promotion. Hair Nation on Sirius had a LOT of nice 30 minute spots featuring the album, its songs and a few interviews. Eclipse suffered from zero promotion and poor pricing. After Revelation being $11.88 for the re-records, the new songs and a DVD, to now asking fans to shell out $10 for a single CD was a huge mistake. The thing was completely overpriced, relative to Revelation. Eclipse should have about been $7. And I think it will be ... very soon!

Saint John wrote:

WykkedSensation wrote:I bet ya though that 'Mirrorball' sells a lot more overall than 'Eclipse' does. Lets wait for the sales after 6 months and Lippard will be way ahead.

Yeah, you're probably right. Like Revelation, it's just too good of a deal for most fans to pass up. But the dismal numbers for each show a common denominator ... but what is it? Is it that people have given up on the genre? I can't see this being the case, when just 3 years ago Revelation sold so well. Now DL, a group with just as many fans as Journey, puts out essentially the same package as Revelation, and it flops in its debut.

My guess is that most people simply didn't know these items were on sale. Especially in Mirrorball's case, as those numbers shocked me. But it did have some promotion. Hair Nation on Sirius had a LOT of nice 30 minute spots featuring the album, its songs and a few interviews. Eclipse suffered from zero promotion and poor pricing. After Revelation being $11.88 for the re-records, the new songs and a DVD, to now asking fans to shell out $10 for a single CD was a huge mistake. The thing was completely overpriced, relative to Revelation. Eclipse should have about beeYon $7. And I think it will be ... very soon!

Your guesses have been completely off. Journey had a story to tell and a guy who brought people out of the woodwork because he does a good Perry imitation. Along with the package being so cheap, that is why it sold. DL doesn't have that story to go along with the new release. And, neither does Eclipse.

Nobody cares about these bands except a few thousand fans on the internet. The masses care when you give them a reason to. Arnel is yesterday's news now. No matter how good the music is, those fickle fans have moved on to the next flavor of the month. Journey avoided being the 'flavor of the month' their entire careers, until Revelation...when they embraced it for a big paycheck. Journey LOST fans in the long run because of Revelation....and all of this is what I was worried about when they hired Arnel and went down the retro sound with him.

Monker wrote:....and all of this is what I was worried about when they hired Arnel and went down the retro sound with him.

And there's where you lost me. You weren't worried about anything. Be honest.

Saint John wrote:

WykkedSensation wrote:I bet ya though that 'Mirrorball' sells a lot more overall than 'Eclipse' does. Lets wait for the sales after 6 months and Lippard will be way ahead.

Yeah, you're probably right. Like Revelation, it's just too good of a deal for most fans to pass up. But the dismal numbers for each show a common denominator ... but what is it? Is it that people have given up on the genre? I can't see this being the case, when just 3 years ago Revelation sold so well. Now DL, a group with just as many fans as Journey, puts out essentially the same package as Revelation, and it flops in its debut.

My guess is that most people simply didn't know these items were on sale. Especially in Mirrorball's case, as those numbers shocked me. But it did have some promotion. Hair Nation on Sirius had a LOT of nice 30 minute spots featuring the album, its songs and a few interviews. Eclipse suffered from zero promotion and poor pricing. After Revelation being $11.88 for the re-records, the new songs and a DVD, to now asking fans to shell out $10 for a single CD was a huge mistake. The thing was completely overpriced, relative to Revelation. Eclipse should have about been $7. And I think it will be ... very soon!

I agree with a lot of what you're sayin here Dan.

What i can say is that Over here in the UK i hear Lippards new single every single day on radio stations, these include rock and everyday radio stations, whereas i am yet to hear any of Journey's Eclipse stuff on any stations over here. Maybe they have been on, but i sure haven't heard them. I hear Lippard all the time though.

Monker wrote:

Saint John wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

steveo777 wrote:That's twice as many Lippard cds as they'll need.

And they're still out selling Eclipse.

Mirrorball sold 19,350 in its debut week and Eclipse sold 21,400. Moreover, when Journey released a sweet package deal like Mirrorball, 2008's Revelation, it sold 105,000 in its first week.

And, having 100 copies of Eclipse still on the shelf compared to DL's 1 says a lot about what was expected, how much was spent on ordering CD's, and how much wasted shelf space it is now taking up. Mirrorball may be just as big of a flop, but not nearly as much money was wasted on the product.

FIFY

Monker wrote:

Saint John wrote:

WykkedSensation wrote:I bet ya though that 'Mirrorball' sells a lot more overall than 'Eclipse' does. Lets wait for the sales after 6 months and Lippard will be way ahead.

Yeah, you're probably right. Like Revelation, it's just too good of a deal for most fans to pass up. But the dismal numbers for each show a common denominator ... but what is it? Is it that people have given up on the genre? I can't see this being the case, when just 3 years ago Revelation sold so well. Now DL, a group with just as many fans as Journey, puts out essentially the same package as Revelation, and it flops in its debut.

My guess is that most people simply didn't know these items were on sale. Especially in Mirrorball's case, as those numbers shocked me. But it did have some promotion. Hair Nation on Sirius had a LOT of nice 30 minute spots featuring the album, its songs and a few interviews. Eclipse suffered from zero promotion and poor pricing. After Revelation being $11.88 for the re-records, the new songs and a DVD, to now asking fans to shell out $10 for a single CD was a huge mistake. The thing was completely overpriced, relative to Revelation. Eclipse should have about beeYon $7. And I think it will be ... very soon!

Your guesses have been completely off. Journey had a story to tell and a guy who brought people out of the woodwork because he does a good Perry imitation. Along with the package being so cheap, that is why it sold. DL doesn't have that story to go along with the new release. And, neither does Eclipse.

Nobody cares about these bands except a few thousand fans on the internet. The masses care when you give them a reason to. Arnel is yesterday's news now. No matter how good the music is, those fickle fans have moved on to the next flavor of the month. Journey avoided being the 'flavor of the month' their entire careers, until Revelation...when they embraced it for a big paycheck. Journey LOST fans in the long run because of Revelation....and all of this is what I was worried about when they hired Arnel and went down the retro sound with him.

You're an idiot who knows nothing.

conversationpc wrote:

Monker wrote:....and all of this is what I was worried about when they hired Arnel and went down the retro sound with him.

And there's where you lost me. You weren't worried about anything. Be honest.

Monker is a lying tool - just ignore him.

conversationpc wrote:

Monker wrote:....and all of this is what I was worried about when they hired Arnel and went down the retro sound with him.

And there's where you lost me. You weren't worried about anything. Be honest.

Wrong. Do a search for my posts in this forum with Nostalgic, nostalgia, etc. I was constantly harping on this right from the hiring of Arnel. It was a bad decision to go retro and live off of nostalgia. Journey has always been a progressive band, looking at the future. That ended with Revelation, and that was a huge mistake...and they will never be able to make up for it now...if they even intend to try.

Toph wrote:

Monker wrote:

Saint John wrote:

WykkedSensation wrote:I bet ya though that 'Mirrorball' sells a lot more overall than 'Eclipse' does. Lets wait for the sales after 6 months and Lippard will be way ahead.

Yeah, you're probably right. Like Revelation, it's just too good of a deal for most fans to pass up. But the dismal numbers for each show a common denominator ... but what is it? Is it that people have given up on the genre? I can't see this being the case, when just 3 years ago Revelation sold so well. Now DL, a group with just as many fans as Journey, puts out essentially the same package as Revelation, and it flops in its debut.

My guess is that most people simply didn't know these items were on sale. Especially in Mirrorball's case, as those numbers shocked me. But it did have some promotion. Hair Nation on Sirius had a LOT of nice 30 minute spots featuring the album, its songs and a few interviews. Eclipse suffered from zero promotion and poor pricing. After Revelation being $11.88 for the re-records, the new songs and a DVD, to now asking fans to shell out $10 for a single CD was a huge mistake. The thing was completely overpriced, relative to Revelation. Eclipse should have about beeYon $7. And I think it will be ... very soon!

Your guesses have been completely off. Journey had a story to tell and a guy who brought people out of the woodwork because he does a good Perry imitation. Along with the package being so cheap, that is why it sold. DL doesn't have that story to go along with the new release. And, neither does Eclipse.

Nobody cares about these bands except a few thousand fans on the internet. The masses care when you give them a reason to. Arnel is yesterday's news now. No matter how good the music is, those fickle fans have moved on to the next flavor of the month. Journey avoided being the 'flavor of the month' their entire careers, until Revelation...when they embraced it for a big paycheck. Journey LOST fans in the long run because of Revelation....and all of this is what I was worried about when they hired Arnel and went down the retro sound with him.

You're an idiot who knows nothing.[/quote

That's fine, then ignore me.

Toph wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

Monker wrote:....and all of this is what I was worried about when they hired Arnel and went down the retro sound with him.

And there's where you lost me. You weren't worried about anything. Be honest.

Monker is a lying tool - just ignore him.

LOL...that's fine with me...that doesn't bother me at all. I'm here to speak my mind...that is what matters...not to troll for replies, like you.

Monker wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

Monker wrote:....and all of this is what I was worried about when they hired Arnel and went down the retro sound with him.

And there's where you lost me. You weren't worried about anything. Be honest.

Wrong. Do a search for my posts in this forum with Nostalgic, nostalgia, etc. I was constantly harping on this right from the hiring of Arnel. It was a bad decision to go retro and live off of nostalgia. Journey has always been a progressive band, looking at the future. That ended with Revelation, and that was a huge mistake...and they will never be able to make up for it now...if they even intend to try.

I never said you didn't say that. I'm saying you weren't worried, just pretending that you were CONCERNED. You're just looking for something to complain about.

Saint John wrote:

WykkedSensation wrote:I bet ya though that 'Mirrorball' sells a lot more overall than 'Eclipse' does. Lets wait for the sales after 6 months and Lippard will be way ahead.

Yeah, you're probably right. Like Revelation, it's just too good of a deal for most fans to pass up. But the dismal numbers for each show a common denominator ... but what is it? Is it that people have given up on the genre? I can't see this being the case, when just 3 years ago Revelation sold so well. Now DL, a group with just as many fans as Journey, puts out essentially the same package as Revelation, and it flops in its debut.

My guess is that most people simply didn't know these items were on sale. Especially in Mirrorball's case, as those numbers shocked me. But it did have some promotion. Hair Nation on Sirius had a LOT of nice 30 minute spots featuring the album, its songs and a few interviews. Eclipse suffered from zero promotion and poor pricing. After Revelation being $11.88 for the re-records, the new songs and a DVD, to now asking fans to shell out $10 for a single CD was a huge mistake. The thing was completely overpriced, relative to Revelation. Eclipse should have about been $7. And I think it will be ... very soon!

I think more than anything, we have to realize that when it comes to rock/pop music, image is everything. While fans in an older age group will still find some of these older late 50's - 60's artists "sexy" the general conception is the musicians are way past their prime in regards to the type of genre they play in. Ever since the launch of MTV in the early 1980's, music has become almost more about the sex appeal of the artist than the sound of their music. Certainly there are plenty of exceptions to the rule, but seeing as how the majority of the artists played on top 40 radio are in their 20's, that should tell you something right there. What this genre needs is young blood. They need an influx of fresh new talent that has the sex appeal to make the genre relevant. It probably still wouldn't put older bands like Journey or Def Leppard back on top of the charts, but it would give the music listeners a chance at hearing melodic rock being relevant in the mainstream with new "Journey-like" bands.

Tom Welch, the senior music buyer for Wal-Mart has decided to leave the company. Welch is responsible for exclusives from bands like Kiss, Journey and Def Leppard. He steps down in August. Tiffany Van Laar, an underling in the video division will be stepping up take over the position.

Don wrote:Tom Welch, the senior music buyer for Wal-Mart has decided to leave the company. Welch is responsible for exclusives from bands like Kiss, Journey and Def Leppard. He steps down in August. Tiffany Van Laar, an underling in the video division will be stepping up take over the position.

So Welch fucked up these promotions and now has been asked for his resignation? LOL PWNED!

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:Tom Welch, the senior music buyer for Wal-Mart has decided to leave the company. Welch is responsible for exclusives from bands like Kiss, Journey and Def Leppard. He steps down in August. Tiffany Van Laar, an underling in the video division will be stepping up take over the position.

So Welch fucked up these promotions and now has been asked for his resignation? LOL PWNED!

The division is being moved from S.F. to Arkansas. Welch doesn't want to move his family so he is resigning.