WHERE'S THE HOOKS???

by **yogi** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:51 pm

Not talking Sponge Bob here. I just picked up Night Rangers new CD 'Somewhere In California' today. First 4 songs were good and then I got to song #5 'Time Of Our Lives". One word... AWESOME!!! After hearing this song I kept playing it over and over. My 11 year old daughter hears it 1 time and says who is that? 'That song is good'. My wife hears it one time and loves it. Now my son hears it for the first time coming back from the skating rink and when it ends he asks me to play it again.

I have not got past song #5 of this CD. Now, my question is why is something like this not on Eclipse? As much as I like the current Journey and as much as I LOVED Revelation none of he songs on Eclipse have come even close to Time Of Our Lives.

Where are the hooks on Eclipse???

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:53 pm

One thing I get is that not everyone gets Eclipse. I hear plenty of hooks. If you don't like it you don't like it.

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:05 pm

If you haven't listened past the 5th song how can you say there are no hooks?

There are hooks. Here is one example of a song with a hook.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9kNIVDmXHc

Chorus:
" Desire that comes together
like primitive animals
we've got something sacred
you've become my ritual

our spirits feed each other
we never get our fill
hungry for your sweet religion
you've become my ritual"

I think the chorus is very catchy and I love to dance to this one. Really dig the beat.

by **Gideon** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:13 pm

I definitely hear hooks, but these songs aren't as poppy as the stuff normally released by Journey, so perhaps they're not as blatant.

Good call on 'Ritual', Blue. Great song, especially the nice jam session at around the 2:40 mark.

by **RedWingFan** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:20 pm

Blueskies wrote:If you haven't listened past the 5th song how can you say there are no hooks?

There are hooks. Here is one example of a song with a hook.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9kNIVDmXHc

Chorus:
" Desire that comes together
like primitive animals
we've got something sacred
you've become my ritual

our spirits feed each other
we never get our fill
hungry for your sweet religion
you've become my ritual"

I think the chorus is very catchy and I love to dance to this one. Really dig the beat.

Yogi's saying he can't get past song #5 on Night Ranger's new cd, because they're jam packed with hooks.

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:23 pm

Gideon wrote:I definitely hear hooks, but these songs aren't as poppy as the stuff normally released by Journey, so perhaps they're not as blatant.

Good call on 'Ritual', Blue. Great song, especially the nice jam session at around the 2:40 mark.

I really dig that part also! Have you tried dancing to this song? It's a fast one! No need to go to the gym after dancing to this song. :lol:

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:26 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
Blueskies wrote:If you haven't listened past the 5th song how can you say there are no hooks?

There are hooks. Here is one example of a song with a hook.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9kNIVDmXHc

Chorus:
" Desire that comes together
like primitive animals
we've got something sacred
you've become my ritual

our spirits feed each other
we never get our fill
hungry for your sweet religion
you've become my ritual"

I think the chorus is very catchy and I love to dance to this one. Really dig the beat.

Yogi's saying he can't get past song #5 on Night Ranger's new cd, because they're jam packed with hooks.

So he got hung up? Well somebody help him out and cut the line! :lol:

Sorry about that...I read it too fast and thought he was saying he hasn't gotten past the 5th song on Eclipse. :wink:

by **slucero** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:00 pm

every song on Eclipse has a hook... it looks like this:

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:12 pm

No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest. :twisted:

by **yulog** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:41 pm

slucero wrote:every song on Eclipse has a hook... it looks like this:

by **slucero** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:56 pm

Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:01 pm

slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

Let's talk about this a year from now. Give em both an honest run, then we'll see.

by **slucero** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:11 pm

great idea...

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:13 pm

slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:28 pm

Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

I agree with you. It might be the first time, cobb webbie, so don't get used to it.

by **Rick** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:32 pm

I hear hooks in every song on this record. I am not getting those that don't.

by **slucero** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:32 pm

Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

Maybe you should read the OP.... here I'll paste it for ya...

yogi wrote:
Where are the hooks on Eclipse???

That's pretty much a Journey question...

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:35 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

I agree with you. It might be the first time, cobb webbie, so don't get used to it.

No, not the first time, you old croaker,..you liked my review so you must have been in some agreement with it too. :wink:

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:39 pm

slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

Maybe you should read the OP.... here I'll paste it for ya...

yogi wrote:
Where are the hooks on Eclipse???

That's pretty much a Journey question...

The thread author made comparisons...thats what I was referring to. :wink:

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:40 pm

Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

I agree with you. It might be the first time, cobb webbie, so don't get used to it.

No, not the first time, you old croaker,..you liked my review so you must have been in some agreement with it too.

Damn it! You got me! Heya, I gave you a bad time when you first came back, but you are no virgin to ruff sex with no lube. All good!
Stick around!!! :lol:

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:47 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

I agree with you. It might be the first time, cobb webbie, so don't get used to it.

No, not the first time, you old croaker,..you liked my review so you must have been in some agreement with it too.

Damn it! You got me! Heya, I gave you a bad time when you first came back, but you are no virgin to ruff sex with no lube. All good!
Stick around!!!

I will as long as y'all play nice. I can joke around as much as anyone, I just don't like it when it crosses my line. We all have a line drawn somewhere.
Oh duh! Forgot I was on MR for a second there. Well, most of us have a line, anyway. :shock:

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:52 pm

Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

I agree with you. It might be the first time, cobb webbie, so don't get used to it.

No, not the first time, you old croaker,..you liked my review so you must have been in some agreement with it too.

Damn it! You got me! Heya, I gave you a bad time when you first came back, but you are no virgin to ruff sex with no lube. All good!
Stick around!!!

I will as long as y'all play nice. I can joke around as much as anyone, I just don't like it when it crosses my line. We all have a line drawn somewhere.
Oh duh! Forgot I was on MR for a second there. Well, most of us have a line, anyway.

Yep, and mine, on Sunday will be LINE, hook and sinker....maybe a little bait too. I'm gonna go catch me some Bass. I'll give em all away,
then go BBQ some Steaks and drink a couple beers.

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:05 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

I agree with you. It might be the first time, cobb webbie, so don't get used to it.

No, not the first time, you old croaker,..you liked my review so you must have been in some agreement with it too.

Damn it! You got me! Heya, I gave you a bad time when you first came back, but you are no virgin to ruff sex with no lube. All good!
Stick around!!!

I will as long as y'all play nice. I can joke around as much as anyone, I just don't like it when it crosses my line. We all have a line drawn somewhere.
Oh duh! Forgot I was on MR for a second there. Well, most of us have a line, anyway.

Yep, and mine, on Sunday will be LINE, hook and sinker....maybe a little bait too. I'm gonna go catch me some Bass. I'll give em all away,
then go BBQ some Steaks and drink a couple beers.

I meant a line drawn in the sand, not a fishin' line. But come to think of it, if I was fishing I wouldn't want my line crossed at the lake either. :lol:

Naaaa, that wouldn't bother me. You'd be surprised at how calm I really am and how much I laugh and don't sweat the small stuff. :wink:

Have fun Sunday!

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:20 pm

Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
slucero wrote:
Blueskies wrote:No, that would be Night Rangers cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud.
After three fair listens to the long clips on iTunes it sunk fast in interest.

I wonder what NR sales of their "cookie cutter, very generic, lightweight new dud" are compared to Journey's "scattered, very boring, heavyweight new dud"?

In all seriousness now...
Quite frankly, I don't care what the sales numbers are, my ears tell me all I need to know and this should not be a competition. This is the Journey forum so thats what the topic here is...there is a Night Ranger forum to discuss their new album on, isn't there? But with that pointed out, I will say...... if you like Night Rangers new one, cool, enjoy. I don't care for most of it and I think Eclipse is leagues ahead. To each their own.

I agree with you. It might be the first time, cobb webbie, so don't get used to it.

No, not the first time, you old croaker,..you liked my review so you must have been in some agreement with it too.

Damn it! You got me! Heya, I gave you a bad time when you first came back, but you are no virgin to ruff sex with no lube. All good!
Stick around!!!

I will as long as y'all play nice. I can joke around as much as anyone, I just don't like it when it crosses my line. We all have a line drawn somewhere.
Oh duh! Forgot I was on MR for a second there. Well, most of us have a line, anyway.

Yep, and mine, on Sunday will be LINE, hook and sinker....maybe a little bait too. I'm gonna go catch me some Bass. I'll give em all away,
then go BBQ some Steaks and drink a couple beers.

I meant a line drawn in the sand, not a fishin' line. But come to think of it, if I was fishing I wouldn't want my line crossed at the lake either. Naaaa, that wouldn't bother me. You'd be surprised at how calm I really am and how much I laugh and don't sweat the small stuff. Have fun Sunday!

Yep, don't sweat the petty stuff. I'll see you back here on monday, where we will spar again.

by **Blueskies** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 7:51 pm

Well, if you didn't pick up on it before, I guess I should let you know now where my line is since you've already crossed it with the lube joke. I'm not upset about it or anything at all I'm just letting you know that I'm not into exchanging that type of humor with folks on the net that I don't know in person....well, I don't with most in person either. LOL! As long as you respect where my line is on this and keep the joking cleaner with me and save the cruder, intimate kind of joking with those who like the same, then any sparring with me will not get serious. I'd appreciate it if you will respect my stance on this. Thanks if you will. :wink:

by **yogi** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:40 pm

In my opinion a good song is a good song. In almost EVERY case the first time you hear it you think this is a a good song. Night Rangers Time of Our Lives is that song. You dont need 10 listens to like it. Remember Me, Higher Place, Faith In The Heartland, Turn Down The World Tonight, After All These Years, and the CLASSIC What I Needed are all GREAT songs that dont need multiple listens before they start to grow on you. They are this way because the music is excellent and the hooks are great. I remember when Def Leppards Hystria came out I took me a month before I really got past the song Women because I felt that song was so great.

I just dont see this on Eclipse. I soooo much wanted to like this CD. Andrew gave it a 100, and I dont get it.

I dont need sophisticated music. I just want good music.

by **youkeepmewaiting** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 11:42 pm

Peter Pan is running scared that there are so many hooks in Eclispe!

by **Blueskies** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:51 am

yogi wrote:In my opinion a good song is a good song. In almost EVERY case the first time you hear it you think this is a a good song. Night Rangers Time of Our Lives is that song. You dont need 10 listens to like it. Remember Me, Higher Place, Faith In The Heartland, Turn Down The World Tonight, After All These Years, and the CLASSIC What I Needed are all GREAT songs that dont need multiple listens before they start to grow on you. They are this way because the music is excellent and the hooks are great. I remember when Def Leppards Hystria came out I took me a month before I really got past the song Women because I felt that song was so great.

I just dont see this on Eclipse. I soooo much wanted to like this CD. Andrew gave it a 100, and I dont get it.

I dont need sophisticated music. I just want good music.

I can only speak for myself, but I liked Eclipse on first listen the day I bought it and then wrote my thoughts on it after a couple more listens to it entirely. I didn't give it a number score as thats not my thing and don't normally write critiques but if I did it would be very close to Andrews opinion on it with the difference being I dont care for Venus that much. I just connected with and understood the songs immediately, obviously this album isn't speaking to you, though..... which doesn't make me wrong and you right or you wrong and me right. As I've said repeatedly....music, as all art, is subjective. If you don't like it, you don't, but like I said...that doesn't make those of us who do like it wrong. Some of us think Eclipse is very good music indeed. Enjoy what you will.

by **Toph** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:08 am

yogi wrote:Not talking Sponge Bob here. I just picked up Night Rangers new CD 'Somewhere In California' today. First 4 songs were good and then I got to song #5 'Time Of Our Lives". One word... AWESOME!!! After hearing this song I kept playing it over and over. My 11 year old daughter hears it 1 time and says who is that? 'That song is good'. My wife hears it one time and loves it. Now my son hears it for the first time coming back from the skating rink and when it ends he asks me to play it again.

I have not got past song #5 of this CD. Now, my question is why is something like this not on Eclipse? As much as I like the current Journey and as much as I LOVED Revelation none of he songs on Eclipse have come even close to Time Of Our Lives.

Where are the hooks on Eclipse???

The mark of a good song is that it goes over and over in your head...begging you to listen to it more. There is not one song on Eclipse that stays with me after I've listened to it (and I've listened to the entire thing at least 10 times).

There is just nothing here that has the magic of their previous work.

by **yandtguy** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:19 am

Here's what I hear, hook wise, on Eclipse:

1. City Of Hope
That opening riff is a great hook, and the melodic chorus, though it doesn't flow as smoothly in the first section as it does in the second. My five year-old likes this one.

2. Edge Of The Moment
Pretty much hook free here folks. The opening riff is interesting in a progressive sense, but it's not melodic. The vocal in the verse are fairly monotone. More progressive leaning riffs. The chorus is kinda flat. Neal's solo is cool, but again, it's not melodic. The one hooky thing in the song is the vocal bridge between guitar solos.

3. Chain of Love
Starts off very ambient with an interesting piano riff. Neal's riff is progressive leaning again. This song has the first really great vocal hook, both toward the end of each verse leading up to the chorus and in the end of the chorus. Neal's little mini guitar solo kills the momentum of this song, though. It's brief, but Arnel sings a bridge that isn't very catchy...not nearly as catchy as previous vocal moments. Neal's second, longer solo is also not as tight as in the past. You can hum Neal's best solos. You can't hum very many of his solos on this album.

4. Tantra
This is an odd duck. It's Journey's version of a show tune, basically, but it is catchy. Neal's lead is very melodic. The vocals are catchy. I guess the people who claim that album has plenty of hooks are thinking of this track.

5. Anything Is Possible
This song has some hooks. Catchy intro lead by Neal. The vocals in the verses are catchy, and the lyrics, though painfully cliche, don't seem shoe horned into the song. The chorus is also very catchy. Arnel also adds some vocal Perryisms which were so effective in past Journey songs. This song has a cool pre-chorus vocal like "Chain Of Love." Neal's solo is a let-down again, in that it's not memorable. The song is too long, however. It's just too lightweight to last for 5:22. I would like to hear a radio edit of it.

6. Resonate
This song seems to be a favorite of board members. Neal's intro lead is cool and not as progressive this time. I think what limits the hook appeal of the song is the key. I am sure the band knows what atmosphere they are creating here, but it's kinda dreary. Reminds me of the vibe on Frontiers. I would have to say that the chorus is weak here. Repeating "resonate" kills the chorus for me. Arnel's voice is strained at times in this song as well.

7. She's A Mystery
Love, love, love the guitar intro on this song. Now, that's a guitar hook. I also like Arnel's Robert Plant approach to the vocal. Love the backing vocal. Love the electronic-sounding percussion. The only problem I have with the song is that it doesn't kick in until the 5 minute mark. When it does, there's a really catch riff from Neal and some cool leads. So, the hooks are there, but the arrangement is weak. I will say that it is my favorite song on the album, because it reminds me of 70's Journey.

8. Human Feel
The percussion intro to this song is catchy. Neal's riff is catchy. Jon's organ riff is catchy. Arnel's vocal doesn't add to the song though, which I hate, because with a better vocal melody, this song would kill. The vocal is just generic. The real weakness of the song is that you really don't get a sense of where the verse ends and the chorus begins. Reminds me of "A Better Life" from Generations where everything kind of blends together.

9. My Ritual
This is one of those generic Journey rockers we've been seeing since Trial By Fire.

10. To Whom It May Concern
This one has a fairly catch chorus. Not much else.

11. Someone
Hook filled goodness here. Great intro riff by Neal. Best on the album. Arnel's vocal on the verse is lively and catchy. Big chorus that is memorable. Wish the background vocals were higher in the mix, because they are cool, too. Neal's solo is melodic and memorable. There's also a nice, tight bridge. It's weird that the song is at the end of the CD, as it's probably the song that most people would identify as a Journey sounding song.

12. Venus
I pass on this "song." I was hoping for a return to the vibe of the early fusion Journey, but we get the 80's wanna be metal guitarist vibe that Neal slips into sometimes. I would have been happy with a song in the vibe of any of Neal's solo albums, but this is just a wank fest.

MR

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