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It is #36 this week....

http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insider ... ar=y&dpt=n

Well Eclipse now has a top 40 AC notch to add to its belt. Smart move.

be interesting to here the radio edit

This should have happened earlier, but I'll take what I can get.

COH, while released as a single, hasn't charted, that I've found.

Nice. A song on the charts and they supported it by performing COH on national television. Baffling.

Hey, radio is slow to add any older artists music on the stations. If going on TV wakes them up then I say go on TV as often as they can. Journey seldom got air play until the went on the road and the demand got it on the charts. This is the way it has always been.

This chart is like that rock city chart that Neal said had COH at #3. When it lands on the REAL A/C chart on Billboard, I'll let you know.

Huh, that's odd...especially since they just released a video for City Of Hope!

Not complaining though, it's great that AIP is charting, but it seems that it came out of nowhere. Was this song even planned as a single?

Saint John wrote:Nice. A song on the charts and they supported it by performing COH on national television. Baffling.

First thing I thought, too. Although, maybe they're doing both?

Don wrote:This chart is like that rock city chart that Neal said had COH at #3. When it lands on the REAL A/C chart on Billboard, I'll let you know.

OK Negative Nancy - the point is that they released a song with some potential to chart at AC. Good move! Better start adding it to the setlist though.

Saint John wrote:Nice. A song on the charts and they supported it by performing COH on national television. Baffling.

Dude, Niel doesn't care if it sells. Remember? They got paid upfront.

RedWingFan wrote:

Saint John wrote:Nice. A song on the charts and they supported it by performing COH on national television. Baffling.

Dude, Niel doesn't care if it sells. Remember? They got paid upfront.

That's incorrect. They were able to have their studio time paid up front, but they also receive a royalty per unit shipped ... and my guess is that they're at least 1 million dollars short of where they thought they'd be right now. The math is as follows ... assuming about 300,000 copies sold right now and they receive about $6 per package sold, you get 300,000 (estimated packages they THOUGHT they would sell to this point-60,000 (actual packages sold)=240,000 net packages fewer than they thought. 240,000X$6=1.44 million dollars. Don, does this math look about right to you?

Saint John wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Saint John wrote:Nice. A song on the charts and they supported it by performing COH on national television. Baffling.

Dude, Niel doesn't care if it sells. Remember? They got paid upfront.

That's incorrect. They were able to have their studio time paid up front, but they also receive a royalty per unit shipped ... and my guess is that they're at least 1 million dollars short of where they thought they'd be right now. The math is as follows ... assuming about 300,000 copies sold right now and they receive about $6 per package sold, you get 300,000 (estimated packages they THOUGHT they would sell to this point-60,000 (actual packages sold)=240,000 net packages fewer than they thought. 240,000X$6=1.44 million dollars. Don, does this math look about right to you?

Oh sorry, I assumed they got paid upfront by Wallyworld for expected/projected sales. My bad.

I'll agree that they probably had a front end pressing of 300,000 units (based off of what Revelation did and what they expected for first month sales with Eclipse). I'd say 5 bucks a disc so 65k sold about now and we have 325,000 dollars.
I'd estimate overseas sales to be around 30k total but at much lower royalty rate (Frontier's doesn't have Wal-Mart money obviously) s so we can be generous and say 400,000 dollars total income off of Eclipse world wide (U.S./Overseas) because of the exchange rates and what not.

For comparison's sake, at this mid summer point of the Revelation tour, we were looking at 400k sold so a cool 2.8 million already in hand.

When Deen said Neal named the album Eclipse in reference to what he expected for it accomplish as compared to their prior release (Revelation), that told me all I need to know about how confident the band was that the DSB crowd was going to eat this up regardless of the musical direction it took. We all know the reality of that now. I'm sure Wal-Mart is in no hurry to dole out money to the band again and I think this can be acknowledged from some of Jon's comments when he said he they were only afforded the opportunity to make Eclipse because of the success of Revelation.

They need to appear on late night. They should perform AIP in original key and play Separate Ways for the second song. The CBS and NBC appearances moved a few Eclipse discs but the Greatest Hits, Escape and even the Essential Journey package benefited more than anything else.

RedWingFan wrote:

Saint John wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Saint John wrote:Nice. A song on the charts and they supported it by performing COH on national television. Baffling.

Dude, Niel doesn't care if it sells. Remember? They got paid upfront.

That's incorrect. They were able to have their studio time paid up front, but they also receive a royalty per unit shipped ... and my guess is that they're at least 1 million dollars short of where they thought they'd be right now. The math is as follows ... assuming about 300,000 copies sold right now and they receive about $6 per package sold, you get 300,000 (estimated packages they THOUGHT they would sell to this point-60,000 (actual packages sold)=240,000 net packages fewer than they thought. 240,000X$6=1.44 million dollars. Don, does this math look about right to you?

Oh sorry, I assumed they got paid upfront by Wallyworld for expected/projected sales. My bad.

That's a pretty common misconception, but it also illustrates their management's almost baffling lack of promotion for this release. This was important to the band financially, and they failed horribly. They expected to put nothing into it and for it to sell. Just a colossal oversight and one that I do not think can be fixed after the fact. They're really down to Anything Is Possible having to chart and make some waves or Eclipse is certain to be a major, major failure.

Once again, Journey proves themselves to be musically brilliant and strategically handicapped simultaneously. Fucking morons. I am now thoroughly convinced that they wouldn't have gotten anywhere without Herbie - Cain or no Cain, Perry or no Perry.

Gideon wrote: I am now thoroughly convinced that they wouldn't have gotten anywhere without Herbie - Cain or no Cain, Perry or no Perry.

I agree with this. Herbie was in control from the beginning through Frontiers. When he lost control around 1985 the numbers speak for themselves. ROR was a failure, TBF was a failure, Arrival was a failure. The lone success since 1983 has been Revelation. One truly, and relative to the times, successful album in 28 years. Yeah, I'd say Herbie is sorely missed.

Saint John wrote:

Gideon wrote: I am now thoroughly convinced that they wouldn't have gotten anywhere without Herbie - Cain or no Cain, Perry or no Perry.

I agree with this. Herbie was in control from the beginning through Frontiers. When he lost control around 1985 the numbers speak for themselves. ROR was a failure, TBF was a failure, Arrival was a failure. The lone success since 1983 has been Revelation. One truly, and relative to the times, successful album in 28 years. Yeah, I'd say Herbie is sorely missed.

Agree 100% -- letting Herbie go was moronic and arrogant. Perhaps Azoff is a necessary evil to book the concert tour to the level/extent they have? I only ask, because otherwise I have no idea what they've done for the band.

Archetype wrote:Well Eclipse now has a top 40 AC notch to add to its belt. Smart move.

No. At least, not yet. The song hasn't charted on Billboard in any of it's multiple A/C categories. We'll see in a few weeks if that changes.

I haven't even heard it on the radio yet on our AC station.

It also blows my mind that this song is not on their set list yet, or Someone.

Saint John wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

Saint John wrote:Nice. A song on the charts and they supported it by performing COH on national television. Baffling.

Dude, Niel doesn't care if it sells. Remember? They got paid upfront.

That's incorrect. They were able to have their studio time paid up front, but they also receive a royalty per unit shipped ... and my guess is that they're at least 1 million dollars short of where they thought they'd be right now. The math is as follows ... assuming about 300,000 copies sold right now and they receive about $6 per package sold, you get 300,000 (estimated packages they THOUGHT they would sell to this point-60,000 (actual packages sold)=240,000 net packages fewer than they thought. 240,000X$6=1.44 million dollars. Don, does this math look about right to you?

WTF...you just contradicted yourself.

Are they paid by what SHIPPED, or what SOLD. Those are two different things. If they are paid by what shipped to retail, they probably have not received a check since release day.

Monker wrote:
WTF...you just contradicted yourself.

You are absolutely correct, in that I did. They receive a check per unit sold. The first time I typed "shipped" should have been "sold." Nice catch. Jeremey and Andrew both confirmed this last album.

Monker wrote:Are they paid by what SHIPPED, or what SOLD. Those are two different things. If they are paid by what shipped to retail, they probably have not received a check since release day.

See above. Man, after the Revelation checks from the first few weeks, these checks have to be quite humbling. But, when you do everything wrong from packaging to promotion to price, it's to be expected. They may not sell this time, in total, what Revelation did in week 1. Ouch.

Toph wrote:It is #36 this week....

http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insider ... ar=y&dpt=n

Uh oh....this week it went down one on this chart. Now down to 37. Has it already peaked? For comparison, Cain's duet fathfully went all the way to #1 a few years ago.

Toph wrote:

Toph wrote:It is #36 this week....

http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insider ... ar=y&dpt=n

Uh oh....this week it went down one on this chart. Now down to 37. Has it already peaked? For comparison, Cain's duet fathfully went all the way to #1 a few years ago.

But it was played 5 more times this week (45 this week and 40 last week). Those are paltry numbers. What fucking chart is this?

oops... fooled by this one.

not "officially" released


would be a great single, but thought at over 5 min, it needed editing.


still a great song, worthy of some airplay,


nice joke on us

scarab wrote:oops... fooled by this one.

not "officially" released


would be a great single, but thought at over 5 min, it needed editing.


still a great song, worthy of some airplay,


nice joke on us

Yes it has been released as single. Why else would it be on the chart?

http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insider ... ar=y&dpt=n

Uo to #29 on this chart...

is this single version out? has anyone heard it on the radio?

scarab wrote:is this single version out? has anyone heard it on the radio?

Going by this chart, it's only been played 69 times for the week and that's spread out on only 15 stations. If you get to hear it, it will be purely by chance.