ECLIPSE SUCKS

[Toph]

It is just a shitty album. I've tried to listen to it as much as I can, but it is now out of my car CD player and I doubt I will listen to it again.

IT SUCKS.

[steveo777]

It is just a shitty album. I've tried to listen to it as much as I can, but it is now out of my car CD player and I doubt I will listen to it again.

IT SUCKS.

Warning- bold text ahead. (cover your ears Prudence!)



FUCK OFF AND DIE!

[annie89509]

People here analyze the lyrics...instruments. For me, I like a song for how it sounds and whether it has appeal (to me). Tantra sounds good to me. So does Resonate. The rest are not bad songs...but not memorable, either.

[yulog]

It is just a shitty album. I've tried to listen to it as much as I can, but it is now out of my car CD player and I doubt I will listen to it again.

IT SUCKS.

You actually had that in your car? Now your car is gonna suck, better trade it in .........NOW!

[steveo777]

Until ppl get SP's dead whithering dino cock out of their throats everything JRNY is gonna suck.

[Greg]

Until ppl get SP's dead whithering dino cock out of their throats everything JRNY is gonna suck.

You just have to face the facts that a strong majority of people who became fans of this band, did so because of Steve Perry's distinct voice. I became fans of this band for the overall sound - but certainly recognize that Perry's voice made this band a step ahead of all other bands in its genre. The only way you get people to move on either with this band or away from this band is for Journey to make the bold step of retiring all classic songs from their playlist. That, of course, will never happen, but that is the only way this band would ever be able to move on from Steve Perry.

[Gideon]

Until ppl get SP's dead whithering dino cock out of their throats everything JRNY is gonna suck.

You just have to face the facts that a strong majority of people who became fans of this band, did so because of Steve Perry's distinct voice.

If that is the case and the reason why, as Steveo alludes, people have a hard time moving on from Perry, then the conclusion is simple: They're fans of Perry, not Journey.

I explained to Portland via PM that I once thought this way. I let Arrival and the 2001 DVD collect dust on my shelf because I was unwilling to give it a try. Then, out of sheer boredom, I popped in Arrival and was hooked ever since: I abandoned my absurd man-crush on one of rock's most effeminate singers and started to love the band as a whole.

Personally, I find Journey the band to be infinitely more talented and important than Perry the person. Perry, even during the height of Journey's success, never came close to matching his success with the band. He needs the creativity and musical ability of Cain and Schon to reach the heights of success.

[Greg]

Until ppl get SP's dead whithering dino cock out of their throats everything JRNY is gonna suck.

You just have to face the facts that a strong majority of people who became fans of this band, did so because of Steve Perry's distinct voice.

If that is the case and the reason why, as Steveo alludes, people have a hard time moving on from Perry, then the conclusion is simple: They're fans of Perry, not Journey.

I explained to Portland via PM that I once thought this way. I let Arrival and the 2001 DVD collect dust on my shelf because I was unwilling to give it a try. Then, out of sheer boredom, I popped in Arrival and was hooked ever since: I abandoned my absurd man-crush on one of rock's most effeminate singers and started to love the band as a whole.

Personally, I find Journey the band to be infinitely more talented and important than Perry the person. Perry, even during the height of Journey's success, never came close to matching his success with the band. He needs the creativity and musical ability of Cain and Schon to reach the heights of success.

Not necessarily completely true. Sure, they became fans of the band because of Steve Perry's voice, but that does not mean that his voice didn't allow fans to take a deeper look into the band as a whole. It certainly did me. However, I actually became a fan of the complete band the first time I ever heard Separate Ways. The total collaboration of Perry, Scon, Cain, Ross, and Smith is what won me over as a Journey fan. That line up will never be "eclipsed".

The fact is, Steve Perry was never as successful as a solo artist as he was in Journey. Also fact is, Journey has never been as successful without Perry as they were when Perry was in Journey. Just as Perry needs the creativity of Cain and Schon like you say, they[JRNY] need Perry as much as well. With that said, that does not mean one cannot enjoy a Steve Perry solo project, or a Perryless Journey. I have enjoyed both. But, I do and will always recognize Perry's talents being head and shoulders above anyone else who has ever sang in Journey. I also realize those talents are not limited to the vocals themselves, but the whole artistic work Perry brought to the band. That is why I would certainly welcome him back in the band, regardless if he couldn't sing the catalog as he did in the 80's. The way I see it, the Journey singers after Perry all had/have their deficiencies. Perry obviously has his, although I personally believe he could sing fine enough for people to recognize the band as having that "Journey" legacy sound. Just like I would welcome Steve Augeri back in the band if that ever happened.

[Argus]

Until ppl get SP's dead whithering dino cock out of their throats everything JRNY is gonna suck.

Ok, despite what you are saying here which is ugly and adds nothing I need to tell you that an ellipse is a "period" and ECL1P53 is the album

[YoungJRNY]

It is just a shitty album. I've tried to listen to it as much as I can, but it is now out of my car CD player and I doubt I will listen to it again.

IT SUCKS.

Cool story, bro!

[Gideon]

Not necessarily completely true. Sure, they became fans of the band because of Steve Perry's voice, but that does not mean that his voice didn't allow fans to take a deeper look into the band as a whole. It certainly did me. However, I actually became a fan of the complete band the first time I ever heard Separate Ways. The total collaboration of Perry, Scon, Cain, Ross, and Smith is what won me over as a Journey fan. That line up will never be "eclipsed".

Actually, I don't really see how it can't be necessarily true. If, as Steveo suggests, a person does not enjoy Eclipse simply because Steve Perry isn't singing on it, then that person isn't a true fan of Journey; instead, that person is a fan of Steve Perry, and Journey was simply the band that Perry was in at the time.

If one is a true fan of the band, one appreciates and enjoys other aspects of it beyond Perry's singing. It has nothing to do with preference, as one can prefer any line up or incarnation of the band one wishes.

The fact is, Steve Perry was never as successful as a solo artist as he was in Journey. Also fact is, Journey has never been as successful without Perry as they were when Perry was in Journey. Just as Perry needs the creativity of Cain and Schon like you say, they[JRNY] need Perry as much as well. With that said, that does not mean one cannot enjoy a Steve Perry solo project, or a Perryless Journey. I have enjoyed both.

Not at all.

When Perry joined and ushered in a new direction with the band with Infinity, sales spiked from the previous prog-rock incarnation of Journey. But it was only with the dynamic completed by Jonathan Cain did Journey become superstars with Escape, which was vastly more successful than anything that Journey had produced before. When Perry ushered in another direction with Raised On Radio, sales declined substantially, as Dan pointed out. Between the personnel changes and bewildering musical changes, in addition to the time spent off, all orchestrated by Perry, one could easily make a credible argument that he's been as much of a liability to Journey as an asset.

Lastly, while Journey's album sales were suffering prior to his arrival, certain members of the band were all of enormous pedigree and had enjoyed a great deal of success elsewhere. Perry cannot say the same; after Alien Project disintegrated, he didn't gain any traction in the music industry, which drove him to leave it. As he said at the 2005 Walk of Fame ceremony, it was through Herbie Herbert that he had a career at all.

Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie were established musicians whereas Perry was not, and Perry was hardly the only rock tenor out there. He needed them much more than they needed him.

But, I do and will always recognize Perry's talents being head and shoulders above anyone else who has ever sang in Journey. I also realize those talents are not limited to the vocals themselves, but the whole artistic work Perry brought to the band. That is why I would certainly welcome him back in the band, regardless if he couldn't sing the catalog as he did in the 80's. The way I see it, the Journey singers after Perry all had/have their deficiencies. Perry obviously has his, although I personally believe he could sing fine enough for people to recognize the band as having that "Journey" legacy sound. Just like I would welcome Steve Augeri back in the band if that ever happened.

I wouldn't. I'm attached to the music, not the man. If the man (be it Perry, Neal, Jon, or whomever) can't perform up to par in order to do the music justice, then I say keep them away from it. Ironically, my sentiments seem to be echoed by Perry himself, given his silence in the music industry.

[RedWingFan]

It is just a shitty album. I've tried to listen to it as much as I can, but it is now out of my car CD player and I doubt I will listen to it again.

IT SUCKS.

The only good thoughts I have about Eclipse is that I saved $10 by not buying it.

[brywool]

It is just a shitty album. I've tried to listen to it as much as I can, but it is now out of my car CD player and I doubt I will listen to it again.

IT SUCKS.

This coming from a guy who thinks Dennis DeYoung's "Breathe Again" is the ultimate rock track.

[scarygirl]

It is just a shitty album. I've tried to listen to it as much as I can, but it is now out of my car CD player and I doubt I will listen to it again.

IT SUCKS.

You actually had that in your car? Now your car is gonna suck, better trade it in .........NOW!

[Greg]

Actually, I don't really see how it can't be necessarily true. If, as Steveo suggests, a person does not enjoy Eclipse simply because Steve Perry isn't singing on it, then that person isn't a true fan of Journey; instead, that person is a fan of Steve Perry, and Journey was simply the band that Perry was in at the time.

That is a very narrow-minded conclusion. I am sure that is true for some fans, but you are painting everyone who does not exactly worship Eclipse with a very broad brush. Personally, I don't care for Eclipse for reasons that I have covered in my review thread in this forum. None of which even mentioned Steve Perry. And, furthermore, if in fact someone does feel Eclipse would have been better with Perry singing on it does not necessarily make him/her a fan of Steve Perry instead of Journey. It might make him/her more of a fan of Perry than the complete band, but you assume there cannot be a degree of interest in a band; that you are either a fan of Perry or you are a fan of Journey. I will disagree with that 100% of the time.

If one is a true fan of the band, one appreciates and enjoys other aspects of it beyond Perry's singing. It has nothing to do with preference, as one can prefer any line up or incarnation of the band one wishes.

Are you just not paying attention or trying to find something to argue about? I don't believe I am someone you need to remind as to the requirements of being a true fan of something. I've been a fan of this band long before you were ever a thought. I've enjoyed every aspect of this band, mostly every line-up - Pre-Perry, Perry era, and Post-Perry. But, with that said, I do not have to accept everything this band has given to us to be considered a true fan. I have not liked everything about every line-up of this band. But, I do recognize what era of this band has been most successful.

Not at all.

When Perry joined and ushered in a new direction with the band with Infinity, sales spiked from the previous prog-rock incarnation of Journey. But it was only with the dynamic completed by Jonathan Cain did Journey become superstars with Escape, which was vastly more successful than anything that Journey had produced before. When Perry ushered in another direction with Raised On Radio, sales declined substantially, as Dan pointed out. Between the personnel changes and bewildering musical changes, in addition to the time spent off, all orchestrated by Perry, one could easily make a credible argument that he's been as much of a liability to Journey as an asset.

Lastly, while Journey's album sales were suffering prior to his arrival, certain members of the band were all of enormous pedigree and had enjoyed a great deal of success elsewhere. Perry cannot say the same; after Alien Project disintegrated, he didn't gain any traction in the music industry, which drove him to leave it. As he said at the 2005 Walk of Fame ceremony, it was through Herbie Herbert that he had a career at all.

Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie were established musicians whereas Perry was not, and Perry was hardly the only rock tenor out there. He needed them much more than they needed him.

Let me say it again. Steve Perry needed Journey. Journey needed Steve Perry. It is fact. Journey was NOT nearly as successful before Steve came aboard. Fact - Journey has not been nearly as successful since Steve Perry left. Fact - Neal Schon said it himself that Steve Perry brought all of the success with him. Until this line up or any other version of Journey proves me wrong with its number of units sold of a non-Perry Journey catalog, then I am absolutely correct.

I wouldn't. I'm attached to the music, not the man. If the man (be it Perry, Neal, Jon, or whomever) can't perform up to par in order to do the music justice, then I say keep them away from it. Ironically, my sentiments seem to be echoed by Perry himself, given his silence in the music industry.

No, Perry's silence does not say anything. It just says, "Hey, I'm enjoying my life right now." Until the man says himself that he cannot perform Journey songs, or anything else for that matter, to give the music justice, then I am not assuming anything nor will I push my assumptions off as fact like many here have done, dishonestly.

[annie89509]

Giddy is one of those annoying, self-absorbed teenagers that you just want to grab by the neck and shake the “know-it-all”-ness out of him. Every family has one or two. My son #2 (age eighteen) suffers from the same syndrome.

[Gideon]

Giddy is one of those annoying, self-absorbed teenagers that you just want to grab by the neck and shake the “know-it-all”-ness out of him.

Glad to know I can get a rise out of the middle aged. It pleases me to exploit your emotional instability and intellectual deficits for my own amusement.

My son #2 (age 18) suffers from the same syndrome.

Well, let's hope the hopelessly flawed intellect attributable to Loons isn't genetic. If it's not, he stands to be in good shape.

[annie89509]

Giddy is one of those annoying, self-absorbed teenagers that you just want to grab by the neck and shake the “know-it-all”-ness out of him.

Glad to know I can get a rise out of the middle aged. It pleases me to exploit your emotional instability and intellectual deficits for my own amusement.

My son #2 (age 18) suffers from the same syndrome.

Well, let's hope the hopelessly flawed intellect attributable to Loons isn't genetic. If it's not, he stands to be in good shape.

Haha...I can assure you all 3 of my sons can't stand "old folks" music.

[Gideon]

Haha...I can assure you all 3 of my sons can't stand "old folks".

Fixed. And, well, who can blame them?

[Gideon]

That is a very narrow-minded conclusion. I am sure that is true for some fans, but you are painting everyone who does not exactly worship Eclipse with a very broad brush.

Actually, I didn’t. I worded my posts very carefully in order to avoid doing just that:

If, as Steveo suggests, a person does not enjoy Eclipse simply because Steve Perry isn't singing on it, then that person isn't a true fan of Journey;

^ The operative word here being ‘if’. What I was doing was assuming, for the sake of argument, that there were those out there who disliked Eclipse solely because Steve Perry isn’t singing and offering my opinions on them.

Personally, I don't care for Eclipse for reasons that I have covered in my review thread in this forum. None of which even mentioned Steve Perry.

Obviously there are reasons to dislike Eclipse beyond the lack of Perry. It isn’t a perfect album by any means; I myself argued that there are certain elements missing; namely that of an artist. Arnel is a gifted singer and shows promise as a lyricist, but he lacks Perry’s melodic sensibilities. All of this has been acknowledge by myself and others elsewhere; so why you’re trying to turn this discussion into a perceived attack on those who criticize Eclipse eludes me.

And, furthermore, if in fact someone does feel Eclipse would have been better with Perry singing on it does not necessarily make him/her a fan of Steve Perry instead of Journey. It might make him/her more of a fan of Perry than the complete band, but you assume there cannot be a degree of interest in a band; that you are either a fan of Perry or you are a fan of Journey. I will disagree with that 100% of the time.

Are you just not paying attention or trying to find something to argue about? I don't believe I am someone you need to remind as to the requirements of being a true fan of something. I've been a fan of this band long before you were ever a thought.

I’m not trying to invent requirements for what is and what is not a Journey fan. I’m merely pointing out a distinction that already exists. If the only thing I like about Journey is Steve Perry’s voice, I’m not a Journey fan; simple, easy, and 100% irrefutably logical. If you think criticism is reserved for fans of Eclipse everyone other than Perry and his sycophants, you're talking to the wrong guy.

I've enjoyed every aspect of this band, mostly every line-up - Pre-Perry, Perry era, and Post-Perry. But, with that said, I do not have to accept everything this band has given to us to be considered a true fan. I have not liked everything about every line-up of this band. But, I do recognize what era of this band has been most successful.

No one asked you to accept everything about Journey and no one denies that the late ‘80s were Journey’s most successful years.

Let me say it again. Steve Perry needed Journey. Journey needed Steve Perry. It is fact. Journey was NOT nearly as successful before Steve came aboard. Fact - Journey has not been nearly as successful since Steve Perry left. Fact - Neal Schon said it himself that Steve Perry brought all of the success with him. Until this line up or any other version of Journey proves me wrong with its number of units sold of a non-Perry Journey catalog, then I am absolutely correct.

You can say it as many times as you like; if only the world worked that way: People saying whatever they want enough times that reality bends to their will. But it doesn’t. That Journey hasn’t sold as many albums without Perry being used as proof that Journey needed Perry requires superficial thinking. When one digs deeper, into the contributions of Herbie Herbert and Jonathan Cain, into the musical environment in which Journey operated, and Perry and Journey’s respective circumstances before 1978, one reaches an entirely different conclusion:

Perry’s musical career was utterly fucked with the disintegration of Alien Project; so dejected and optionless was he that he consigned himself to amateur carpentry. On the other hand, the members of Journey, specifically Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie, were established musicians and ex-members of an enormously successful band in Santana; they had options Perry didn’t. Perry himself acknowledged that Herbie’s decision to install Perry as lead singer of Journey singlehandedly saved Perry’s musical career. Certainly Journey benefited from his vocal abilities and pop sensibilities, but Perry was hardly the only gifted rock tenor out there and it is unrealistic to assume that Journey could never have found another singer. Does that mean they would have been successful? Perhaps not, but it means they had options. Perry? Not so much. His options were limited to whether or not he wanted to step in the piles of turkey feathers and shit that morning or take the time to walk around them.

That there debunks the notion they needed each other equally. So what else? The issue of success? Perry definitely increased Journey’s success dramatically; the addition of Jonathan Cain did as well. Escape was vastly more successful than Infinity; in fact, the three songs that Journey is most well known for (DSB, OA, and Faithfully) all originated with Cain. So until the day that Steve Perry and Jon Cain are revealed to be the same man, the idea that Perry brought all the success is horseshit.

(Let’s not even begin to discuss post-Perry album sales. The common criticism, courtesy of Don and others, is that the general public has no idea Perry and Journey have separated. Assuming what they say is true, what’s that mean? Journey sales continue to dwindle even when the public believes Perry’s still part of the group. Hardly a beacon of commercial and financial success.)

No, Perry's silence does not say anything. It just says, "Hey, I'm enjoying my life right now." Until the man says himself that he cannot perform Journey songs, or anything else for that matter, to give the music justice, then I am not assuming anything nor will I push my assumptions off as fact like many here have done, dishonestly.

Perry’s been crooning since Behind the Music that he’ll be heard from again and that he has the itching to record and that he’s working on new material and so forth. Ten years and not a peep; this fact, coupled with accounts of his notorious perfectionism and ridiculously high standards, repeated declines to take lead on commercially lucrative ventures (American Idol, Reba McEntire’s album, Journey concerts, etc.), and combined with what little we’ve actually heard leads me to believe he can’t do it.

And why the hell would we otherwise? He’s 62-years-old and his last full album revealed a tremendously diminished range. Believe what you want to believe, but the idea that Perry can hit the notes and endure the full rigors of touring isn’t rational.

[Greg]

That is a very narrow-minded conclusion. I am sure that is true for some fans, but you are painting everyone who does not exactly worship Eclipse with a very broad brush.

Actually, I didn’t. I worded my posts very carefully in order to avoid doing just that:

If, as Steveo suggests, a person does not enjoy Eclipse simply because Steve Perry isn't singing on it, then that person isn't a true fan of Journey;

^ The operative word here being ‘if’. What I was doing was assuming, for the sake of argument, that there were those out there who disliked Eclipse solely because Steve Perry isn’t singing and offering my opinions on them.

Personally, I don't care for Eclipse for reasons that I have covered in my review thread in this forum. None of which even mentioned Steve Perry.

Obviously there are reasons to dislike Eclipse beyond the lack of Perry. It isn’t a perfect album by any means; I myself argued that there are certain elements missing; namely that of an artist. Arnel is a gifted singer and shows promise as a lyricist, but he lacks Perry’s melodic sensibilities. All of this has been acknowledge by myself and others elsewhere; so why you’re trying to turn this discussion into a perceived attack on those who criticize Eclipse eludes me.

And, furthermore, if in fact someone does feel Eclipse would have been better with Perry singing on it does not necessarily make him/her a fan of Steve Perry instead of Journey. It might make him/her more of a fan of Perry than the complete band, but you assume there cannot be a degree of interest in a band; that you are either a fan of Perry or you are a fan of Journey. I will disagree with that 100% of the time.

Are you just not paying attention or trying to find something to argue about? I don't believe I am someone you need to remind as to the requirements of being a true fan of something. I've been a fan of this band long before you were ever a thought.

I’m not trying to invent requirements for what is and what is not a Journey fan. I’m merely pointing out a distinction that already exists. If the only thing I like about Journey is Steve Perry’s voice, I’m not a Journey fan; simple, easy, and 100% irrefutably logical. If you think criticism is reserved for fans of Eclipse everyone other than Perry and his sycophants, you're talking to the wrong guy.

I've enjoyed every aspect of this band, mostly every line-up - Pre-Perry, Perry era, and Post-Perry. But, with that said, I do not have to accept everything this band has given to us to be considered a true fan. I have not liked everything about every line-up of this band. But, I do recognize what era of this band has been most successful.

No one asked you to accept everything about Journey and no one denies that the late ‘80s were Journey’s most successful years.

Let me say it again. Steve Perry needed Journey. Journey needed Steve Perry. It is fact. Journey was NOT nearly as successful before Steve came aboard. Fact - Journey has not been nearly as successful since Steve Perry left. Fact - Neal Schon said it himself that Steve Perry brought all of the success with him. Until this line up or any other version of Journey proves me wrong with its number of units sold of a non-Perry Journey catalog, then I am absolutely correct.

You can say it as many times as you like; if only the world worked that way: People saying whatever they want enough times that reality bends to their will. But it doesn’t. That Journey hasn’t sold as many albums without Perry being used as proof that Journey needed Perry requires superficial thinking. When one digs deeper, into the contributions of Herbie Herbert and Jonathan Cain, into the musical environment in which Journey operated, and Perry and Journey’s respective circumstances before 1978, one reaches an entirely different conclusion:

Perry’s musical career was utterly fucked with the disintegration of Alien Project; so dejected and optionless was he that he consigned himself to amateur carpentry. On the other hand, the members of Journey, specifically Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie, were established musicians and ex-members of an enormously successful band in Santana; they had options Perry didn’t. Perry himself acknowledged that Herbie’s decision to install Perry as lead singer of Journey singlehandedly saved Perry’s musical career. Certainly Journey benefited from his vocal abilities and pop sensibilities, but Perry was hardly the only gifted rock tenor out there and it is unrealistic to assume that Journey could never have found another singer. Does that mean they would have been successful? Perhaps not, but it means they had options. Perry? Not so much. His options were limited to whether or not he wanted to step in the piles of turkey feathers and shit that morning or take the time to walk around them.

That there debunks the notion they needed each other equally. So what else? The issue of success? Perry definitely increased Journey’s success dramatically; the addition of Jonathan Cain did as well. Escape was vastly more successful than Infinity; in fact, the three songs that Journey is most well known for (DSB, OA, and Faithfully) all originated with Cain. So until the day that Steve Perry and Jon Cain are revealed to be the same man, the idea that Perry brought all the success is horseshit.

(Let’s not even begin to discuss post-Perry album sales. The common criticism, courtesy of Don and others, is that the general public has no idea Perry and Journey have separated. Assuming what they say is true, what’s that mean? Journey sales continue to dwindle even when the public believes Perry’s still part of the group. Hardly a beacon of commercial and financial success.)

No, Perry's silence does not say anything. It just says, "Hey, I'm enjoying my life right now." Until the man says himself that he cannot perform Journey songs, or anything else for that matter, to give the music justice, then I am not assuming anything nor will I push my assumptions off as fact like many here have done, dishonestly.

Perry’s been crooning since Behind the Music that he’ll be heard from again and that he has the itching to record and that he’s working on new material and so forth. Ten years and not a peep; this fact, coupled with accounts of his notorious perfectionism and ridiculously high standards, repeated declines to take lead on commercially lucrative ventures (American Idol, Reba McEntire’s album, Journey concerts, etc.), and combined with what little we’ve actually heard leads me to believe he can’t do it.

And why the hell would we otherwise? He’s 62-years-old and his last full album revealed a tremendously diminished range. Believe what you want to believe, but the idea that Perry can hit the notes and endure the full rigors of touring isn’t rational.

Gideon:

My whole reason for the initial response is merely to point out that telling fans of this band that are still huge fans of Perry to basically "forget him" (I'll put it in a much nicer tone than what Steve did) so that they would give "New Journey" a proper chance is that just because people were/are fans of this band, at least initially, mostly because of Steve Perry, does not mean they are not giving the latest line up a chance. And if the conclusion comes down to the fact that they do not enjoy the current line-up, we are supposed to believe they are irrational folk who are living in the past? I'm just merely point out that not everybody falls into an "us vs them" category. If ultimately I'd rather take my chances with an older Steve Perry as lead vocalist over Arnel Pineda, it won't be because I have not given the new line up a chance. I have bought new music, I have been to concerts, I think I have done everything I can possibly do to like this line up. I can proudly say that I am/was a fan of the band, and this is indicated as fact for my support during the Augeri years as well as when Jeff was in the band for a short time. I don't currently enjoy this line up, for reasons I've stated in the past. I don't think that makes me less of a fan, but moreover, just to reinforce what I like musically, and what I don't.

As far as Steve Perry's abilities now. His last full album, in my opinion, sounded great to me. But, as I have stated in the past, I liked his voice from '83 and on better than his earlier voice. I personally like the rasp and feel it adds to his voice. And anyway, I seem to remember one Ronnie Dio who was nearing 70 before he passed. He still had an amazing voice up until the very end. And the fact that he was terminally ill just made it more amazing. So, someone who has had years of rest, who appears to be healthy, and is 62 years young, I don't know it is irrational to believe Perry could possibly hit some high notes, and do some touring. I personally think hitting high notes is a very small aspect of a singing voice. I would gladly give up the high notes as long as other aspects of his voice were strong.

[RedWingFan]

Just thought of another semi-positive thought about Eclipse. It's Crap-tastic!

[Gideon]

Just thought of another semi-positive thought about Eclipse. It's Crap-tastic!

Is the Night Ranger album worth getting? 'Time Of Our Lives' is great.

[steveo777]

Just thought of another semi-positive thought about Eclipse. It's Crap-tastic!

Another one of the 1/3 has spoken. So what...next...k....thx.....bye.

Oh, and one more thing.....Neil hates you and wants you to die in a fire.

[RedWingFan]

Just thought of another semi-positive thought about Eclipse. It's Crap-tastic!

Is the Night Ranger album worth getting? 'Time Of Our Lives' is great.

Hell yes! My favorite tune off of it is still "No Time to Lose ya"
Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4MILirJinc

[RedWingFan]

Just thought of another semi-positive thought about Eclipse. It's Crap-tastic!

Another one of the 1/3 has spoken. So what...next...k....thx.....bye.

Oh, and one more thing.....Neil hates you and wants you to die in a fire.

Dipshit. I thought Cain's very notable influence on Revelation was pretty damned good. Cain's piano melody on "Turn Down the World Tonight" was fantastic.

Neil telling Cain to get bent because it was his turn to have control, is what flushed this release down the crapper.

Now take his nuts out of your mouth long enough to try to read this post objectively.

[Andrew]

IT SUCKS.

An eloquent and well-rounded review there Sir. Your pararnts must be proud. Harvard?

[steveo777]

Just thought of another semi-positive thought about Eclipse. It's Crap-tastic!

Another one of the 1/3 has spoken. So what...next...k....thx.....bye.

Oh, and one more thing.....Neil hates you and wants you to die in a fire.

Dipshit. I thought Cain's very notable influence on Revelation was pretty damned good. Cain's piano melody on "Turn Down the World Tonight" was fantastic.

Neil telling Cain to get bent because it was his turn to have control, is what flushed this release down the crapper.

Now take his nuts out of your mouth long enough to try to read this post objectively.

I'll take that under advisement, but Eclipse does not suck for everyone. Most people like it. About 30 something percent, like yourself don't.
There must be a lot of fans gargling Neal's nuts.

[Andrew]

Now take his nuts out of your mouth long enough to try to read this post objectively.

Take your own nuts out of your own mouth and chill out.

[Aaron]

+1 spend the 10 bucks on NR. Best cd I've heard in years and well deserving of the 100 review.

Just thought of another semi-positive thought about Eclipse. It's Crap-tastic!

Another one of the 1/3 has spoken. So what...next...k....thx.....bye.

Oh, and one more thing.....Neil hates you and wants you to die in a fire.

Dipshit. I thought Cain's very notable influence on Revelation was pretty damned good. Cain's piano melody on "Turn Down the World Tonight" was fantastic.

Neil telling Cain to get bent because it was his turn to have control, is what flushed this release down the crapper.

Now take his nuts out of your mouth long enough to try to read this post objectively.