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Seeing that his voice is stronger now it makes sense - it would allow them to be a creative band again. Although Generations was a weak effort, if they would be able to get somewhat close to the quality of Arrival, things would certainly get interesting again for many fans.

jrny10 wrote:Seeing that his voice is stronger now it makes sense - it would allow them to be a creative band again. Although Generations was a weak effort, if they would be able to get somewhat close to the quality of Arrival, things would certainly get interesting again for many fans.

Not going to happen, This is it Perry or Pineda that's the 2 singers left for this band..

I would love it, but I get the feeling that we would see a re-hash of the 2005-2006 vocal problems. One full tour with Journey and Steve would be back to where he was then.

jrny10 wrote:Seeing that his voice is stronger now it makes sense - it would allow them to be a creative band again. Although Generations was a weak effort, if they would be able to get somewhat close to the quality of Arrival, things would certainly get interesting again for many fans.

Augeri wouldn't be able to get through an entire setlist. He sounds great, but is even thinner than he already was for the catelog. I'd love to see Augeri with his own band, but he left his mark on Journey fans and his own Journey legacy for what it was. Arnel will close out the era.

Yes, but even low-key gigs in theaters on a more limited basis is much more preferable than the jukebox that currently is out on the road right now. Anything to get them back into creativeness again.

they are being creative... just not in a way that would appeal to the vast majority of their legacy fans.. and they seem OK with that...

In what way is Eclipse creative? And in what way is hiring a clone (that really is no clone) creative?

jrny10 wrote:Yes, but even low-key gigs in theaters on a more limited basis is much more preferable than the jukebox that currently is out on the road right now. Anything to get them back into creativeness again.

Huh? Jukebox? What do you want Journey to sing? Van Halen songs? Elvis? They are Journey so yes, they will be singing the song you'd normally see in a jukebox with the name... you know... JOURNEY. And you DO realize that Steve Augeri was the originator of the jukebox sound. He replaced Steve Perry. How would Steve Augeri fronting the band again be ANY different than it is now? Gotta hear this one.

Steve Augeri has his own voice and was able to put his own spin on the songs. Arnel sings all the songs the same way, and I just don't hear any emotion. Ross is making faces to no one in particular, Neal is shredding like crazy, Cain seems to have his mind on the money and Deen is no longer singing. The show is running like clockwork, in a very alarming way. There's the major difference between the band they were then and the jukebox they are now.

jrny10 wrote:Steve Augeri has his own voice and was able to put his own spin on the songs. There's the major difference between the band they were then and the jukebox they are now.

So Arnel Pineda doesn't have his own voice? Son of a bitch. Wonder how they performed the vocal surgery to insert Perry's voicebox into Arnel's cavity. Amazing. Have you ever seen Arnel sing the songs? There are many songs he has sung in a entirely different range and style.

For the record, Augeri had the natural tone and sync in his voice to match Perry's. He actually SOUNDED like Perry, just lacked his range and power. Arnel has the power but in my honest opinion, sounds NOTHING like Perry, just the high tenor the band needs. Maybe on a few occasions Arnel mimmick's Perry but other than that, I rarely hear it, hardly ever a matter of fact.

I think Steve's voice is better preserved as a weekend warrior on his own terms.

Recent Interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3QnwCgIj6o

But yes, he sounds really good now. Enjoyed seeing his show in Bensalem, PA recently and hope he keeps it up.

jrny10 wrote:In what way is Eclipse creative?

As slucero said, it might not be what you or others want to hear, but I don't see how it's not creative. It abandons much of the Journey-by-numbers formula (Arrival, Revelation) and attempts some considerable shift in the direction and dynamic.

jrny10 wrote:And in what way is hiring a clone (that really is no clone) creative?

The tremendous irony here being that people were accusing them of this even when Augeri was in the band. Anyone who believes that Augeri or Pineda are "clones" of Perry have probably never heard the three of them sing. Certain qualities are shared, but one can easily tell the three of them apart.

Gideon wrote:

jrny10 wrote:In what way is Eclipse creative?

Certain qualities are shared, but one can easily tell the three of them apart.

Exactly.

jrny10 wrote:In what way is Eclipse creative? And in what way is hiring a clone (that really is no clone) creative?

The answer lies in my post... please re-read...

slucero wrote:they are being creative... just not in a way that would appeal to the vast majority of their legacy fans.. and they seem OK with that...

you are a legacy-sound fan... (as am I)... the music is creative... it's just not appealing (to some).



A lot of Metallica fans we're pissed when the Black album came out... yet Metallica persevered...

The guy is NOT up to the Journey gig. After he does 10 gigs singing Journey's material, see how ya feel then.
That gig was always hard for him. That's not from me, that's from a mutual voice teacher.
I like Augeri's recorded work, but live, he was flat, had no power, and couldn't last- singing the Journey catalog.
His solo and Tall Stories stuff is different. He wrote it. The Journey stuff was written for a bigger voice.
He was a great mouthpiece for the band as he was humble, happy to be there, and quite friendly.
His pitch was incredibly funky live if not horrendous. There's no way Neal would go through that again.

As far as Journey's lost all creativity, I swear- the band decided "hey, let's not concentrate on "hit". Let's concentrate
on art and make a heavier record" and because it was poorly promoted, it didn't sell. Bands DO take left turns now and then. Had they done
a record of AOR ballads, they would've been crucified for that too.
The poor Eclipse sales has nothing to do with creativity. Has everything to do with how it was marketed.
Arrival was a great album and IT was also promoted poorly and didn't sell. Both great albums,
both left to rot because Journey's marketing team can't seem to get it together.

Journey Marketing Team: What is the problem?

If there's a next album, I'm sure it'll swing back the other way and Journey's Marketing team will again, fumble the ball.

Even during the 'Arrival' tour, back when SA was healthy, the dozen kicked his ass nightly. Even his own Journey songs kicked his ass live. As Brywool said, he has a great voice (I actually prefer it to Arnel's) but he was never the man for the job. Not then, and not now.

Arnel is getting his ass kicked as well, so much that he has to sing it in a lessor key, this without a doubt takes away from the experience.

The whole thing about Eclipse failing only because it wasn't marketed is crap, there are plenty of Journey fans here that knew about the cd, listened to the samples and said " i don't like it, i'm not buying it".

yulog wrote:Arnel is getting his ass kicked as well, so much that he has to sing it in a lessor key, this without a doubt takes away from the experience.

The whole thing about Eclipse failing only because it wasn't marketed is crap, there are plenty of Journey fans here that knew about the cd, listened to the samples and said " i don't like it, i'm not buying it".

You've got 2/3 who like Eclipse and 1/3 who don't. That's ok. I and the band knew this album wasn't for everyone and had no delusions of it being anything more grand, commercially, at least. Over the long haul it should sell enough to break even. Music is art and not everyone likes the same thing. I love Eclipse, mostly. If the vast majority of people hated it, then I'd consider it a failure on the merits of the music, but that is not the case at all.

Most of the Journey fans here on MR like it and most of the reviews are positive. There is also a ratio of haters to those who genuinely don't like the album.

I'd love it. And I think Steve could do it with moderation and rest inbetween shows. Deen's latest interview said volumes about Steve's issue. The "Evening With Journey" tour had Steve singing 3.5 hours per night hitting several nights per week. I had forgotten how long that show was. It's no wonder he had vocal problems. I think anyone would doing four shows a week at 3.5 hours each. Journey should have been smarter and Steve should have told them to slow down.

Journey are best off with Arnel. If I am not mistaken. Steve A is still a full partner in Journey and benefits from their success and is able to tour when he wants to and play the catalog. Win win situation for all.

When Arnel quits, so does Journey. There is no plan B this time around. These guys are fucking old yet people think they can go on forever and it's just not feasible. My god, their bass player looks like he just walked out of a Haitian Voodoo ceremony. This really is the final countdown.

Don wrote:My god, their bass player looks like he just walked out of a Haitian Voodoo ceremony. This really is the final countdown.

I actually really like Ross. He has been in my house.

Don wrote:When Arnel quits, so does Journey. There is no plan B this time around. These guys are fucking old yet people think they can go on forever and it's just not feasible. My god, their bass player looks like he just walked out of a Haitian Voodoo ceremony. This really is the final countdown.

What if Arnel doesn't quit before the band can't keep up anymore? Will they keep bringing in individual players to keep the band alive and it eventually becomes Arnel's band?
Oh, God.....I can't stand the thought of it!

AR wrote:

Don wrote:My god, their bass player looks like he just walked out of a Haitian Voodoo ceremony. This really is the final countdown.

I actually really like Ross. He has been in my house.

You didn't let him use the bathroom, did you?

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:When Arnel quits, so does Journey. There is no plan B this time around. These guys are fucking old yet people think they can go on forever and it's just not feasible. My god, their bass player looks like he just walked out of a Haitian Voodoo ceremony. This really is the final countdown.

What if Arnel doesn't quit before the band can't keep up anymore? Will they keep bringing in individual players to keep the band alive and it eventually becomes Arnel's band?
Oh, God.....I can't stand the thought of it!

NO. That's a filipino pipe dream.

Now go smack your wife.

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:When Arnel quits, so does Journey. There is no plan B this time around. These guys are fucking old yet people think they can go on forever and it's just not feasible. My god, their bass player looks like he just walked out of a Haitian Voodoo ceremony. This really is the final countdown.

What if Arnel doesn't quit before the band can't keep up anymore? Will they keep bringing in individual players to keep the band alive and it eventually becomes Arnel's band?
Oh, God.....I can't stand the thought of it!

NO. That's a filipino pipe dream.

Now go smack your wife.

I would but I've been drinking and don't want to go to jail. Besides that, she could kick my ass. She's got a brown belt in Karate, though I doubt she's very well practiced as of late.

jrny10 wrote:Seeing that his voice is stronger now it makes sense - it would allow them to be a creative band again. Although Generations was a weak effort, if they would be able to get somewhat close to the quality of Arrival, things would certainly get interesting again for many fans.

With all my love and respect to the great man....he wouldn't last a week. Once you are fried...you are fried.

True.

I had a pretty good set of pipes before close to ten years of three or four gigs a week in smoky bars, singing too much Van Hagar and Zeppelin, toasted me. Never be the same.

Andrew wrote:

jrny10 wrote:Seeing that his voice is stronger now it makes sense - it would allow them to be a creative band again. Although Generations was a weak effort, if they would be able to get somewhat close to the quality of Arrival, things would certainly get interesting again for many fans.

With all my love and respect to the great man....he wouldn't last a week. Once you are fried...you are fried.

Andrew is right.

Steve can sing the songs again, but I wouldn't wish a grueling Journey tour on him. If he plays near you = go. It's great, but it is also on his own terms.

AR wrote:Steve A is still a full partner in Journey and benefits from their success

Not that I am aware of. False.