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1. Very little stage presence
2. The accent problems
3. The harshness of the vocals
4. The "reading from a monitor" feeling when singing the songs
5. No connection whatsoever with the rest of the band onstage
6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

It's evident JRNY's just a way to pay the bills nowadays, not a real band like they were with Perry, Augeri and JSS.

jrny10 wrote:1. Very little stage presence
2. The accent problems
3. The harshness of the vocals
4. The "reading from a monitor" feeling when singing the songs
5. No connection whatsoever with the rest of the band onstage
6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

It's evident JRNY's just a way to pay the bills nowadays, not a real band like they were with Perry, Augeri and JSS.

Except the size and enthusiasm of the crowds say you're wrong.

jrny10 wrote:6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc.

Should they do it back to him? Or break out in hysterical laughter?

Please.

Got more profile with the Pineda lineup since they've had since at least 86.

2 top 15 albums and sold out shows.


It's "working."

This needs to be re-titled "Why I Don't Care For Journey with Arnel", because tickets sold, publicity and recognition shows it is clearly working with him.

It's absolutely fine if you aren't a fan of this incarnation of Journey or Arnel. There is nothing wrong with that at all. But don't translate that to it not working with him. That is blatantly wrong.

jrny10 wrote:1. Very little stage presence
2. The accent problems
3. The harshness of the vocals
4. The "reading from a monitor" feeling when singing the songs
5. No connection whatsoever with the rest of the band onstage
6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

It's evident JRNY's just a way to pay the bills nowadays, not a real band like they were with Perry, Augeri and JSS.

Skillfully crafted foolishness, every bit of this. If you haven't already earned a degree or accreditation in Foolishness, I'd be surprised.

Your definition of "not working" is clearly not the same as other people...

jrny10 wrote:1. Very little stage presence
2. The accent problems
3. The harshness of the vocals
4. The "reading from a monitor" feeling when singing the songs
5. No connection whatsoever with the rest of the band onstage
6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

It's evident JRNY's just a way to pay the bills nowadays, not a real band like they were with Perry, Augeri and JSS.

You really shouldn't state such things as fact, just because you personally aren't happy. There is no merit whatsoever to your thread.

steveo777 wrote:

jrny10 wrote:1. Very little stage presence
2. The accent problems
3. The harshness of the vocals
4. The "reading from a monitor" feeling when singing the songs
5. No connection whatsoever with the rest of the band onstage
6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

It's evident JRNY's just a way to pay the bills nowadays, not a real band like they were with Perry, Augeri and JSS.

You really shouldn't state such things as fact, just because you personally aren't happy. There is no merit whatsoever to your thread.

Totally agree; I am not a huge fan of this line up, but I don't agree with the original post. Arnel has improved a lot since he started and I'd say he is working out pretty well. What's your definition of a real band...one that doesn't make money? Most professional musicians are out there to make a profit!

As far as Ross goes, he has been making those faces for 30 years now and I'm guessing he is doing it more for the audience than the band members.

jrny10 wrote:1. Very little stage presence
2. The accent problems
3. The harshness of the vocals
4. The "reading from a monitor" feeling when singing the songs
5. No connection whatsoever with the rest of the band onstage
6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

It's evident JRNY's just a way to pay the bills nowadays, not a real band like they were with Perry, Augeri and JSS.

Some of these points I can somewhat agree on, but some not.

1. I think he's got some stage presence, it just may not come across as as natural as some frontmen. And coming after JSS's great stage presence, can't be an easy feat.

2. I haven't listened to much current journey besides the album 2 or 3 times at the beginning and some current youtubes.......but I have no problem with his accent. Doesn't even factor in for me. It's more so your point # 4 that does.

3. Don't understand this one, I don't find Arnel's vocals 'harsh'?

4. This one I can somewhat agree with, he's got a great voice, but not the naturally soulful/emotive type delivery that ranks tops for me. He's also got a way of dragging out some of the words just a tad too long that bothers me. Not all the time, just sometimes. And yes I know Perry did that also, but to me, in a different way......one of the one things I love about that 1983 Still They Ride performance (i.e.,..... 'chasing thuuuuuuuunder') but I don't know if it's what words Arnel's dragging or how he does it.....can't really easily put this one into words.

5. Truthfully I think there is really good chemistry with Arnel and the other guys, but not as much as his immediate predecessor when it comes to how to work a stage. I think with JSS it comes more naturally (more history of playing in different bands and w/ different artists) and he makes a point of walking over and connecting/sharing the spotlight with each of the guys. Quite often connecting with Deen, Neal, Ross and even Jon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwJ5VjbO4dg So just like #1, these two points may seem more pronounced coming right after somebody that excells at it.

6. I'm not noticing a disconnect between the others. Do they seem to be as happy to be playing together as Mr Big is, definitely not, their stage chemistry is off the charts. But IMO there is a connection there for the most part. And I have nothing against Ross, but a few random goofy faces is one thing, I would imagine he can be a bit much sometimes.

jrny10 wrote:1. Very little stage presence
2. The accent problems
3. The harshness of the vocals
4. The "reading from a monitor" feeling when singing the songs
5. No connection whatsoever with the rest of the band onstage
6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

It's evident JRNY's just a way to pay the bills nowadays, not a real band like they were with Perry, Augeri and JSS.

This thread was done as a joke to envoke argumentative conversation, right?

Glenn wrote:

jrny10 wrote:1. Very little stage presence
2. The accent problems
3. The harshness of the vocals
4. The "reading from a monitor" feeling when singing the songs
5. No connection whatsoever with the rest of the band onstage
6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

It's evident JRNY's just a way to pay the bills nowadays, not a real band like they were with Perry, Augeri and JSS.

This thread was done as a joke to envoke argumentative conversation, right?

Has to be. Nobody in their right mind is so much in denial of the current success of the band, which is the best since the ROR tour.

At least some of the criticisms have merit, particularly on-stage chemistry. It's not so much Arnel but the other guys; they hardly interact with each other.

Arnel just doesn't "work" for me... still have a very bitter JSS-dissed taste in my mouth... don't care what others say. I was a big Augeri fan and obviously an even bigger JSS fan. That guy brought personality to Journey. Arnel's just a guy with a good voice to me...

FormerJrnyFan wrote:Arnel just doesn't "work" for me... still have a very bitter JSS-dissed taste in my mouth... don't care what others say. I was a big Augeri fan and obviously an even bigger JSS fan. That guy brought personality to Journey. Arnel's just a guy with a good voice to me...

Then it sounds like your user name isn't to be interpreted as "formerly a fan of Journey's" but rather "a fan of former Journey."
JSS definitely has a polish to his showmanship that Arnel lacks.

Gideon wrote:

FormerJrnyFan wrote:Arnel just doesn't "work" for me... still have a very bitter JSS-dissed taste in my mouth... don't care what others say. I was a big Augeri fan and obviously an even bigger JSS fan. That guy brought personality to Journey. Arnel's just a guy with a good voice to me...

Then it sounds like your user name isn't to be interpreted as "formerly a fan of Journey's" but rather "a fan of former Journey."
JSS definitely has a polish to his showmanship that Arnel lacks.

Actully, my username "former journey fan" reflects my feelings after JSS first left Journey. I was pissed off at the band and very confused about their decision to have Jeff leave the band. I truly after some time, decided that I wanted to really accept Arnel, give him a chance. Damn, I even bought a couple of very expensive tickets to the Jones Beach, NY show, just to prove to myself that I was a true-blue Journey fan... Arnel didn't come up short (no pun intended LOL), but he is not a Journey frontman for me. Great voice, just not for me in this band.

FormerJrnyFan wrote:

Gideon wrote:

FormerJrnyFan wrote:Arnel just doesn't "work" for me... still have a very bitter JSS-dissed taste in my mouth... don't care what others say. I was a big Augeri fan and obviously an even bigger JSS fan. That guy brought personality to Journey. Arnel's just a guy with a good voice to me...

Then it sounds like your user name isn't to be interpreted as "formerly a fan of Journey's" but rather "a fan of former Journey."
JSS definitely has a polish to his showmanship that Arnel lacks.

Actully, my username "former journey fan" reflects my feelings after JSS first left Journey. I was pissed off at the band and very confused about their decision to have Jeff leave the band. I truly after some time, decided that I wanted to really accept Arnel, give him a chance. Damn, I even bought a couple of very expensive tickets to the Jones Beach, NY show, just to prove to myself that I was a true-blue Journey fan... Arnel didn't come up short (no pun intended LOL), but he is not a Journey frontman for me. Great voice, just not for me in this band.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Gideon wrote:

FormerJrnyFan wrote:

Gideon wrote:

FormerJrnyFan wrote:Arnel just doesn't "work" for me... still have a very bitter JSS-dissed taste in my mouth... don't care what others say. I was a big Augeri fan and obviously an even bigger JSS fan. That guy brought personality to Journey. Arnel's just a guy with a good voice to me...

Then it sounds like your user name isn't to be interpreted as "formerly a fan of Journey's" but rather "a fan of former Journey."
JSS definitely has a polish to his showmanship that Arnel lacks.

Actully, my username "former journey fan" reflects my feelings after JSS first left Journey. I was pissed off at the band and very confused about their decision to have Jeff leave the band. I truly after some time, decided that I wanted to really accept Arnel, give him a chance. Damn, I even bought a couple of very expensive tickets to the Jones Beach, NY show, just to prove to myself that I was a true-blue Journey fan... Arnel didn't come up short (no pun intended LOL), but he is not a Journey frontman for me. Great voice, just not for me in this band.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Did I appologize???

jrny10 wrote:6. No connection between the others; Ross making faces and no one in the band taking notice etc

So,if Schon,Cain and Castronovo don`t react to Valory`s clownery it`s Pineda`s fault.

FormerJrnyFan wrote:Did I appologize???

You may catch hell, I was just offering moral support.

Gideon wrote:

FormerJrnyFan wrote:Did I appologize???

You may catch hell, I was just offering moral support.

Hell, I can handle support accepted

jrny10 is posting the same old crap. Just ignore.

Andrew wrote:jrny10 is posting the same old crap. Just ignore.

thot so

I watched some youtube clips of Journey 2011 in Dublin and while I'm not an Arnel fan it was evident the crowd really got behind them and loved every minute of it. So I give them and Arnel their dues for getting out there and bustin' a gut to keep this timeless music I love and grew up with alive. I wish I could get to see them live.

majik wrote:I watched some youtube clips of Journey 2011 in Dublin and while I'm not an Arnel fan it was evident the crowd really got behind them and loved every minute of it. So I give them and Arnel their dues for getting out there and bustin' a gut to keep this timeless music I love and grew up with alive. I wish I could get to see them live.

This might happen. There is talk of them coming down your way next year. I hope it comes together.

I don't see how a different point of a view can be crap just because it's... different

Further the problem is obviously the releases of Revelation and Eclipse - watered down Journey having little to do with the original band.

We're talking the lyrics, the vocal production (poor attention to detail giving the feeling of a rush job), the awful production in general, the songs not holding up to past standards. We have to go back to Arrival and Soul Sirkus - Journey and Schon still sounded creative then. For Arrival the songs were simply stronger, and with SS he came up with something different. Catchy but still edgy.

But the biggest problems with Revelation and Eclipse remain the watered down-ness of it all. The light production, followed by the lyrics/compositions (Tantra?) and the soulless and mechanical delivery of the vocals.

It's all so extremely bland - in no way similar to former versions of JRNY.

jrny10 wrote:I don't see how a different point of a view can be crap just because it's... different

Further the problem is obviously the releases of Revelation and Eclipse - watered down Journey having little to do with the original band.

We're talking the lyrics, the vocal production (poor attention to detail giving the feeling of a rush job), the awful production in general, the songs not holding up to past standards. We have to go back to Arrival and Soul Sirkus - Journey and Schon still sounded creative then. For Arrival the songs were simply stronger, and with SS he came up with something different. Catchy but still edgy.

But the biggest problems with Revelation and Eclipse remain the watered down-ness of it all. The light production, followed by the lyrics/compositions (Tantra?) and the soulless and mechanical delivery of the vocals.

It's all so extremely bland - in no way similar to former versions of JRNY.

The troll positions are all filled here.... Nothing watered down about Revelation, and especially not on Eclipse. Take a hike.

steveo777 wrote:

majik wrote:I watched some youtube clips of Journey 2011 in Dublin and while I'm not an Arnel fan it was evident the crowd really got behind them and loved every minute of it. So I give them and Arnel their dues for getting out there and bustin' a gut to keep this timeless music I love and grew up with alive. I wish I could get to see them live.

This might happen. There is talk of them coming down your way next year. I hope it comes together.

Cool, here's hoping

When I lived in Dublin back in the day no one came there to play and Perth is almost the same today being too far away on the other side of the country.

Argue for why it's not, instead of calling anyone with a different point of view a troll.

jrny10 wrote:I don't see how a different point of a view can be crap just because it's... different

Further the problem is obviously the releases of Revelation and Eclipse - watered down Journey having little to do with the original band.

We're talking the lyrics, the vocal production (poor attention to detail giving the feeling of a rush job), the awful production in general, the songs not holding up to past standards. We have to go back to Arrival and Soul Sirkus - Journey and Schon still sounded creative then. For Arrival the songs were simply stronger, and with SS he came up with something different. Catchy but still edgy.

But the biggest problems with Revelation and Eclipse remain the watered down-ness of it all. The light production, followed by the lyrics/compositions (Tantra?) and the soulless and mechanical delivery of the vocals.

It's all so extremely bland - in no way similar to former versions of JRNY.

They should have brought in a new producer on this one, a guy that pushed them harder, maybe tweaked arrangements a little, reminded Neal that less is sometimes more and brought out the emotional feel to Arnel's voice. As for it being no way similar to former versions of Journey, well thats not a bad thing they can't keep re- writing dsb. Maybe the best is yet to come from this incarnation.