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Musical to do: Journey, the Head and the Heart, New Year's Eve shows, and when's a band a cover band?

Published: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 10:53 AM Updated: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 10:58 AM

By Ryan White, The Oregonian
http://www.oregonlive.com/music/index.s ... _head.html

Journey. "Greatest Hits." There'll be a lot of them at the Rose Garden tonight.

Journey is at the Rose Garden tonight. Well, guitarist Neal Schon is at the Rose Garden tonight with a bunch of other guys who have joined him in Journey, but weren't in Journey when, say, "Don't Stop Believin'" was released.

This is not to slight those guys in anyway. If Steve Perry doesn't want to sing, he's free not to sing. And good on 'em for still being able to work arenas. That's no small accomplishment.

Current Drummer Deen Castronovo is a Keizer guy. Kyle O'Brien had a nice chat with him that appeared in last week's A&E. Fine and talented musicians, all.

But it's just that ... have you seen the photo of Axl Rose? It's from Rock In Rio, and it makes him look worse than this video does, but then the video makes you wonder why anyone would pay any amount of money to go see Guns 'N' Roses when there's surely a perfectly good tribute band you can see a lot cheaper.

The question is this: At what point is a band just a cover band?

That's not Guns 'N' Roses in that video, even if Axl is there. Is this Journey, or Neal Shon and friends?

The follow-up: Does it matter to you?

In 2011, I'd much rather pay $15 to see a good GnR tribute band than $60 to see whatever Axl's dragging around the world. Probably the same is true for Van Halen. There are some really good Journey tribute bands out and about. Would that be just as fun?

They're on stage pretending to be one band and we're out front pretending to be younger than we are. That's what's going on, isn't it?

If you're not going to the Big Sing-Along at the Rose Quarter tonight -- Foreigner and Night Ranger and possibly a F-list celebrity are there too -- the Head and the Heart is at the Crystal Ballroom.

tater1977 wrote:Musical to do: Journey, the Head and the Heart, New Year's Eve shows, and when's a band a cover band?

Published: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 10:53 AM Updated: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 10:58 AM

By Ryan White, The Oregonian

The question is this: At what point is a band just a cover band?

That's not Guns 'N' Roses in that video, even if Axl is there. Is this Journey, or Neal Shon and friends?

The follow-up: Does it matter to you?

In 2011, I'd much rather pay $15 to see a good GnR tribute band than $60 to see whatever Axl's dragging around the world. Probably the same is true for Van Halen. There are some really good Journey tribute bands out and about. Would that be just as fun?

Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!!

tater1977 wrote:Musical to do: Journey, the Head and the Heart, New Year's Eve shows, and when's a band a cover band?

Published: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 10:53 AM Updated: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 10:58 AM

By Ryan White, The Oregonian

The question is this: At what point is a band just a cover band?

That's not Guns 'N' Roses in that video, even if Axl is there. Is this Journey, or Neal Shon and friends?

The follow-up: Does it matter to you?

In 2011, I'd much rather pay $15 to see a good GnR tribute band than $60 to see whatever Axl's dragging around the world. Probably the same is true for Van Halen. There are some really good Journey tribute bands out and about. Would that be just as fun?

Definitely! I haven't seen Journey live since '82, but have and will continue to go see DSB live, they're darn good! Also, being I'm usually more a fan of any of my favorite bands' deeper cuts than their commercial hits, and am getting pretty sick of hearing at least a good half of the songs in the dirty dozen. I looooove that I get to hear more of the rare gems in Journey's catalogue that I like alot more at a DSB concert. Not to mention Juan's got a killer voice and is very close to SP's unique delivery..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnmt_IWo13E

"...with a bunch of other guys who have joined him in Journey, but weren't in Journey when, say, "Don't Stop Believin'" was released."

So this guy thinks 2 guys make a bunch?

That was absolute garbage / bullshit, from another person who would enjoy being an authority, but obviously, is not. The writer is a fucking douche bag and if questioned in depth would have no clue. I can't even classify this guy as a loon. He's just an inept idiot. I can't stand incompetence!

steveo777 wrote:That was absolute garbage / bullshit, from another person who would enjoy being an authority, but obviously, is not. The writer is a fucking douche bag and if questioned in depth would have no clue. I can't even classify this guy as a loon. He's just an inept idiot. I can't stand incompetence!

All true... except from the perspective of the lay-Journey fan... what he says is also likely true.

Well, the guy lost all credibility when he makes it sound as if Cain wasn't in the band for DSB/the big era.

I do agree with him, however, that seeing a great Journey tribute band is way more fun at this point. You hear a lot more songs, the mix isn't fucked beyond belief, and you don't have to endure guitar solos better suited to a Dream Theater show.

Michigan Girl wrote:

Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!![/quote]

brywool wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote: Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!!

tater1977 wrote: By Ryan White, The Oregonian
http://www.oregonlive.com/music/index.s ... _head.html

He has edited his journal entry.

Michigan Girl wrote:

brywool wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote: Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!!

I am loving this MG-Brywool feud as of late. I hope to see some nastier shitslinging sooner rather than later between the two of you. Carry on.

Ehwmatt wrote:I do agree with him, however, that seeing a great Journey tribute band is way more fun at this point. You hear a lot more songs, the mix isn't fucked beyond belief, and you don't have to endure guitar solos better suited to a Dream Theater show.

I did too!!

Infinity Vocalist 2010 wrote:"...with a bunch of other guys who have joined him in Journey, but weren't in Journey when, say, "Don't Stop Believin'" was released."

So this guy thinks 2 guys make a bunch?

When one of the 2 guys is the original vocalist I'd say it makes it a bunch.

Ehwmatt wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

brywool wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote: Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!!

I am loving this MG-Brywool feud as of late. I hope to see some nastier shitslinging sooner rather than later between the two of you. Carry on.

I just don't get the constant slamming of Arnel. Nor do I hear the diction issues. I do when he speaks, but not when he's singing. He's certainly easier to understand than SP... who has apparently become mute. I'm not going to get nasty with her, nor have I (have I?- if so I don't remember- I just don't agree with her constant defending of the schnozz - so what?).

Seen a lot of tribute bands and sure some of them are fun and some are funnier than others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsokbuFj ... re=related
But on a serious note:Are we paying tribute to just one guy who was part of a whole or do we love the music that was created by the complete band and give those remaining members who still perform their due?

brywool wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

brywool wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote: Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!!

I am loving this MG-Brywool feud as of late. I hope to see some nastier shitslinging sooner rather than later between the two of you. Carry on.

I just don't get the constant slamming of Arnel. Nor do I hear the diction issues. I do when he speaks, but not when he's singing. He's certainly easier to understand than SP... who has apparently become mute. I'm not going to get nasty with her, nor have I (have I?- if so I don't remember- I just don't agree with her constant defending of the schnozz - so what?).

Then you should probably roll those eyeballs over to a post that is slamming
AP and/or his diction, because I think you just saw MG and landed here in error!!!

brywool wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

brywool wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote: Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!!

I am loving this MG-Brywool feud as of late. I hope to see some nastier shitslinging sooner rather than later between the two of you. Carry on.

I just don't get the constant slamming of Arnel. Nor do I hear the diction issues. I do when he speaks, but not when he's singing. He's certainly easier to understand than SP... who has apparently become mute. I'm not going to get nasty with her, nor have I (have I?- if so I don't remember- I just don't agree with her constant defending of the schnozz - so what?).

You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

portland wrote:

brywool wrote:I just don't get the constant slamming of Arnel.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....

Well said.
But both 'sides' would do well to remember that this phenomenon goes all ways.... for those who hear problems with Arnel, there are those who hear problems with Perry, Soto, Augeri, and so forth.

portland wrote:You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

While I do agree w/you ...my comment was referring to the sound issues.
In my comments pertaining to the show I attended, I stated ...I don't know
how anyone even knows if AP sang the right words or Neal's solos
were entirely too long ...the sound was so bad that I could not
make out anything in particular. I'm almost positive I didn't blame the sound
issues on AP ...I don't even know who makes these decisions ...delusional!!

portland wrote:

brywool wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

brywool wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote: Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!!

I am loving this MG-Brywool feud as of late. I hope to see some nastier shitslinging sooner rather than later between the two of you. Carry on.

I just don't get the constant slamming of Arnel. Nor do I hear the diction issues. I do when he speaks, but not when he's singing. He's certainly easier to understand than SP... who has apparently become mute. I'm not going to get nasty with her, nor have I (have I?- if so I don't remember- I just don't agree with her constant defending of the schnozz - so what?).

You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

"For some of us there IS diction issues" - with a sentence like that, you're worried about diction?

Ah! wait a sec? Then MGs quote was about the SOUND? I thought it was the typical ragging about diction. MY MISTAKE. Apologies all around. Seriously.

Just looked up and saw your post MG that you posted after me. Sorry.

brywool wrote:

portland wrote:

brywool wrote:

Ehwmatt wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

brywool wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote: Funner, if you can understand the words/notes/sound better!!

I am loving this MG-Brywool feud as of late. I hope to see some nastier shitslinging sooner rather than later between the two of you. Carry on.

I just don't get the constant slamming of Arnel. Nor do I hear the diction issues. I do when he speaks, but not when he's singing. He's certainly easier to understand than SP... who has apparently become mute. I'm not going to get nasty with her, nor have I (have I?- if so I don't remember- I just don't agree with her constant defending of the schnozz - so what?).

You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

"For some of us there IS diction issues" - with a sentence like that, you're worried about diction?

As for sound issues, I didn't say anything about that. Ah! wait a sec? Then MGs quote was about the SOUND? I thought it was the typical ragging about diction. MY MISTAKE. Apologies all around. Seriously.

Sorry...I will MAKE sure to carefully proof my next post!

Michigan Girl wrote:

portland wrote:You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

While I do agree w/you ...my comment was referring to the sound issues.
In my comments pertaining to the show I attended, I stated ...I don't know
how anyone even knows if AP sang the right words or Neal's solos
were entirely too long ...the sound was so bad that I could not
make out anything in particular. I'm almost positive I didn't blame the sound
issues on AP ...I don't even know who makes these decisions ...delusional!!

Didn't you attend the J concert right shortly after the MB concert? Probably have to cut 'em some slack, it's hard to follow perfection.

Michigan Girl wrote:

portland wrote:You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

While I do agree w/you ...my comment was referring to the sound issues.
In my comments pertaining to the show I attended, I stated ...I don't know
how anyone even knows if AP sang the right words or Neal's solos
were entirely too long ...the sound was so bad that I could not
make out anything in particular. I'm almost positive I didn't blame the sound
issues on AP ...I don't even know who makes these decisions ...delusional!!

Sorry in my grammar lacking haste....I added some of my own observations and some of others
that have been posting about the shows.....I was just saying that we can all have our own opinions, and
just because we don't "hear" what Bry does we are not all ragging or hating on AP.

portland wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

portland wrote:You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

While I do agree w/you ...my comment was referring to the sound issues.
In my comments pertaining to the show I attended, I stated ...I don't know
how anyone even knows if AP sang the right words or Neal's solos
were entirely too long ...the sound was so bad that I could not
make out anything in particular. I'm almost positive I didn't blame the sound
issues on AP ...I don't even know who makes these decisions ...delusional!!

Sorry in my grammar lacking haste....I added some of my own observations and some of others
that have been posting about the shows.....I was just saying that we can all have our own opinions, and
just because we don't "hear" what Bry does we are not all ragging or hating on AP.

Hey, I apologized for jumping on MG. The grammar thing was just a joke. I couldn't help myself.
I agree with you that we hear what we hear, totally. HOWEVER, so many throw everything through the SP filter and you're huge with that Portland. Simply because he's NOT Perry, you hear these MINUTE diction issues. The guy's diction problem is minimal at best (talking about singing here, not his local accent). I think a lot of people (you included) just cannot stand that the guy is out there doing what he's doing with Journey. Some see it as some kind of sacrilegious act. They'll gripe about things simply because he's not "THE" Mr. P, but the new, littler Mr. p. No need to get into this. I've said this all a bazillion times. I read MG's post incorrectly. I will tell Arnel how much the diction issues but you when I meet him tomorrow night.

brywool wrote:"For some of us there IS diction issues" - with a sentence like that, you're worried about diction?

Ah! wait a sec? Then MGs quote was about the SOUND? I thought it was the typical ragging about diction. MY MISTAKE. Apologies all around. Seriously.

Just looked up and saw your post MG that you posted after me. Sorry.

Except "I" don't typically rag on AP about his diction, it has never
been a primary concern for me. You did make a mistake, you've made several
and you'll continue making them ... That's ok, I'm all slimed up and ready!!

Deb wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

portland wrote:You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

While I do agree w/you ...my comment was referring to the sound issues.
In my comments pertaining to the show I attended, I stated ...I don't know
how anyone even knows if AP sang the right words or Neal's solos
were entirely too long ...the sound was so bad that I could not
make out anything in particular. I'm almost positive I didn't blame the sound
issues on AP ...I don't even know who makes these decisions ...delusional!!

Didn't you attend the J concert right shortly after the MB concert? Probably have to cut 'em some slack, it's hard to follow perfection.

You're right ...what was I thinking!!

brywool wrote:Hey, I apologized for jumping on MG. The grammar thing was just a joke. I couldn't help myself.
I agree with you that we hear what we hear, totally. HOWEVER, so many throw everything through the SP filter and you're huge with that Portland. Simply because he's NOT Perry, you hear these MINUTE diction issues. The guy's diction problem is minimal at best (talking about singing here, not his local accent). I think a lot of people (you included) just cannot stand that the guy is out there doing what he's doing with Journey. Some see it as some kind of sacrilegious act. They'll gripe about things simply because he's not "THE" Mr. P, but the new, littler Mr. p. No need to get into this. I've said this all a bazillion times. I read MG's post incorrectly. I will tell Arnel how much the diction issues but you when I meet him tomorrow night.

Bry, you are assuming other peoples thoughts there. I don't think that is the case for the most part. For some people, he just simply doesn't do it for them. I think he's a great singer, nice guy, etc. But there is just something missing in his delivery that I require, it has nothing to do with diction or his nationality at all. And I'm not sure what his influences are, but IMO, Perry and Soto both have that R&B rock influenced vocal delivery. Ya either got it or ya don't. It's organic, not something that is learned. That's why I'm pretty much just indifferent with Journey when IMO the LS doesn't possess those qualities. As for frontman, I don't think he's bad and seems to be getting better........and following Soto, who excells at it, can't be an easy feat........there has to be a certain amount of confidence and polish to pull off being a great frontman and make it look natural not phony/dorky.

brywool wrote:

portland wrote:

Michigan Girl wrote:

portland wrote:You kill me....you really do.

You can't understand why someone does not hear what you hear...it's a personal opinion....for SOME of us there is
diction issues, lyrics that are not remembered and sound quality generally sucks. How that is slamming Arnel?


I really don't understand why you don't GET it?

While I do agree w/you ...my comment was referring to the sound issues.
In my comments pertaining to the show I attended, I stated ...I don't know
how anyone even knows if AP sang the right words or Neal's solos
were entirely too long ...the sound was so bad that I could not
make out anything in particular. I'm almost positive I didn't blame the sound
issues on AP ...I don't even know who makes these decisions ...delusional!!

Sorry in my grammar lacking haste....I added some of my own observations and some of others
that have been posting about the shows.....I was just saying that we can all have our own opinions, and
just because we don't "hear" what Bry does we are not all ragging or hating on AP.

Hey, I apologized for jumping on MG. The grammar thing was just a joke. I couldn't help myself.
I agree with you that we hear what we hear, totally. HOWEVER, so many throw everything through the SP filter and you're huge with that Portland. Simply because he's NOT Perry, you hear these MINUTE diction issues. The guy's diction problem is minimal at best (talking about singing here, not his local accent). I think a lot of people (you included) just cannot stand that the guy is out there doing what he's doing with Journey. Some see it as some kind of sacrilegious act. They'll gripe about things simply because he's not "THE" Mr. P, but the new, littler Mr. p. No need to get into this. I've said this all a bazillion times. I read MG's post incorrectly. I will tell Arnel how much the diction issues but you when I meet him tomorrow night.

Actually I can't stand you....I am fine with AP.

I just posted in another thread that for "ME" I don't get the frontman vibe from AP at all. I just don't and for me the issues with
diction do play into how "I" view his performances.

It's not that way with some other bands...I loved DLR and I loved Sammy....and for me Kelly is really doing a great job in Foreigner....so I guess I can like someone else as a frontman of a well established rock band.

As far as you meeting AP...that's great! Maybe some of his charm might rub off if you stand close enough!

You people take this e-rivalry shit too far.

Gideon wrote:You people take this e-rivalry shit too far.