MR

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:52 pm**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgAh-sxhao

Love hearing a different take on the song and not a karaoke clone mimic.

Journey looks tougher there and not a band that would be on "Ellen". :wink:

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:02 pm**

AR wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgAh-sxhao

Love hearing a different take on the song and not a karaoke clone mimic.

Journey looks tougher there and not a band that would be on "Ellen".

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:06 pm**

AR wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgAh-sxhao

Love hearing a different take on the song and not a karaoke clone mimic.

Journey looks tougher there and not a band that would be on "Ellen".

This is my very favourite Soto/Journey track. He nailed this one live....real energy and passion in the vocals.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:28 pm**

Andrew wrote:
AR wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgAh-sxhao

Love hearing a different take on the song and not a karaoke clone mimic.

Journey looks tougher there and not a band that would be on "Ellen".

This is my very favourite Soto/Journey track. He nailed this one live....real energy and passion in the vocals.

Ask the Lonely, Edge Of The Blade, and I'll Be Alright Without You - Jeff absolutely owned those songs.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:35 pm**

That is one of the better tracks I've heard with JSS. I was not a big fan of him in Journey but he does well on ATL. It sounded like there was a lot of background vocals on the track towards the end. Was Deen up in the mix as well? It was hard to hear who was singing what.

In any event, JSS is a good stage leader and has great stage presence. He's good to study.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:37 pm**

Aaron wrote:That is one of the better tracks I've heard with JSS. I was not a big fan of him in Journey but he does well on ATL. It sounded like there was a lot of background vocals on the track towards the end. Was Deen up in the mix as well? It was hard to hear who was singing what.

In any event, JSS is a good stage leader and has great stage presence. He's good to study.

Deen was/is always an asset to the band. Does the lead vocalist have to do it all? No.

The performance is from the band/team.

JSS is a great frontman and singer and it always showed in Journey.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:42 pm**

Steve Perry even benefited from a good band around him.

He was so good vocally that it took Augeri/Castronovo Soto/Castronovo to replicate it. So what?????

Worked for me!!!!!

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:53 pm**

AR wrote:Steve Perry even benefited from a good band around him.

He was so good vocally that it took Augeri/Castronovo Soto/Castronovo to replicate it. So what?????

Worked for me!!!!!

Yeah, and some canned backing vocal tapes including some of Steve Perry himself. Don't forget! :lol:

But this WAS a great job by JSS. Didn't dig him overall with the band, but he really shone on this and I'll Be Alright Without You.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:55 pm**

Ehwmatt wrote:
AR wrote:Steve Perry even benefited from a good band around him.

He was so good vocally that it took Augeri/Castronovo Soto/Castronovo to replicate it. So what?????

Worked for me!!!!!

Yeah, and some canned backing vocal tapes including some of Steve Perry himself. Don't forget!

But this WAS a great job by JSS. Didn't dig him overall with the band, but he really shone on this and I'll Be Alright Without You.

Some canned stuff happened, but Jeff bailed those fuckers out at their lowest point. Believe me on this, Jeff was the most legit frontman before and since Perry, with no disrespect to Steve A or A.P.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:12 pm**

If it's true that Perry vocals are included in that show, then they suck as a band and have no capability vocally. I figured Deen was pushing but if that's Perry vocals in the background (and my ear thought it was when I heard it), then the band is a complete fraud. And this is after TG? :lol:

Fuck them, their front man and their help. Is Pro Tools how Arnel has magically started singing in key as well? Assholes.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:15 pm**

Aaron wrote:If it's true that Perry vocals are included in that show, then they suck as a band and have no capability vocally. I figured Deen was pushing but if that's Perry vocals in the background (and my ear thought it was when I heard it), then the band is a complete fraud. And this is after TG? Fuck them, their front man and their help. Is Pro Tools how Arnel has magically started singing in key as well? Assholes.

Well, I mean... canned backing vocals are pretty acceptable at this point for a LOT of bands inside and outside the AOR genre. I don't necessarily have a problem with them even though I'd rather hear the band try their hand at reproducing them. Deen sings background and typically does so very well. But just two guys (Deen and lead singer X) CANNOT reproduce all those layers of Perry. And Ross, Schlong, and Cain simply can't contribute to most of those backing vocals.

I'm 95% sure I hear Perry tracks in their backing vocals. Always thought so. Maybe someone can confirm. I'm only going by my ear here, but I have a pretty good ear.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:37 pm**

Ehwmatt wrote:
Aaron wrote:If it's true that Perry vocals are included in that show, then they suck as a band and have no capability vocally. I figured Deen was pushing but if that's Perry vocals in the background (and my ear thought it was when I heard it), then the band is a complete fraud. And this is after TG? Fuck them, their front man and their help. Is Pro Tools how Arnel has magically started singing in key as well? Assholes.

Well, I mean... canned backing vocals are pretty acceptable at this point for a LOT of bands inside and outside the AOR genre. I don't necessarily have a problem with them even though I'd rather hear the band try their hand at reproducing them. Deen sings background and typically does so very well. But just two guys (Deen and lead singer X) CANNOT reproduce all those layers of Perry. And Ross, Schlong, and Cain simply can't contribute to most of those backing vocals.

I'm 95% sure I hear Perry tracks in their backing vocals. Always thought so. Maybe someone can confirm. I'm only going by my ear here, but I have a pretty good ear.

No, it's not Perry. I am friends with the Yamaha keyboard rep for the entire eastern half of the U.S. and he lives in Nashville. He is really good friends with a studio guy in Nashville who spent a lot of time working for Journey in the studio (before the Soto era) recording backing vocals for the tours. I was shocked when I heard it! :shock:

You can't believe ANYTHING you hear coming out of those main speakers anymore. :cry:

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:38 pm**

My ear is decent and I thought the same. If Deen is covering I have no problem with that. If a Perry vocal from years ago is covering the vocals then I do have a problem. If you can't do it then call it a day.

Joe Elliot was competing with his own 20 year younger lead vocals when I seen them with Journey last. He sucks and I won't listen to those fake fucks again either.

Ehwmatt wrote:
Aaron wrote:If it's true that Perry vocals are included in that show, then they suck as a band and have no capability vocally. I figured Deen was pushing but if that's Perry vocals in the background (and my ear thought it was when I heard it), then the band is a complete fraud. And this is after TG? Fuck them, their front man and their help. Is Pro Tools how Arnel has magically started singing in key as well? Assholes.

Well, I mean... canned backing vocals are pretty acceptable at this point for a LOT of bands inside and outside the AOR genre. I don't necessarily have a problem with them even though I'd rather hear the band try their hand at reproducing them. Deen sings background and typically does so very well. But just two guys (Deen and lead singer X) CANNOT reproduce all those layers of Perry. And Ross, Schlong, and Cain simply can't contribute to most of those backing vocals.

I'm 95% sure I hear Perry tracks in their backing vocals. Always thought so. Maybe someone can confirm. I'm only going by my ear here, but I have a pretty good ear.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:41 pm**

Jeff had the crowd wrapped around his finger the whole show when I saw them.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:45 pm**

I thought JSS was good on the clip shown. I was at Indy when Journey performed with JSS and he was laughed at during the show. In Indy, he was a laughingstock, there wasn't any fingers involved other than the middle one.

ebake02 wrote:Jeff had the crowd wrapped around his finger the whole show when I saw them.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:21 pm**

Shit JSS moved around on the stage in that one song than Augeri did during all 3 of the concerts I saw him perform with the band combined.

I saw Soul SirkUS on their debut gig in Allentown and JSS fucking owned that stage and the crowd. One of the best front men I've seen in concert.

Posted: **Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:53 pm**

Aaron wrote:I thought JSS was good on the clip shown. I was at Indy when Journey performed with JSS and he was laughed at during the show. In Indy, he was a laughingstock, there wasn't any fingers involved other than the middle one.

ebake02 wrote:Jeff had the crowd wrapped around his finger the whole show when I saw them.

I was there too. Simply terrible. Though he did improve by leaps and bounds by the time they played in Grand Rapids.

Posted: **Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:18 am**

I like every lead singer of Journey...but JSS is my favorite live replacement.

I'm still curious about what a JSS fronted J album would sound like (intrigued by "Believe in Me" and ignoring "Winds of Freedom").

This opinion is strengthened by Perry's remarks in 'Drew's interview about thinking he provided the band the greatest opportunity for growth.

Posted: **Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:31 am**

a JSS album would have been great, a much better fit for the hard rock on Eclipse.

Posted: **Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:46 am**

Like all great frontman, Jeff brought out the best in the band and the crowd. Not sure how long he could have lasted on the road. Even here, the way he switches from chest voice to falsetto makes me nervous. A song like DSB would simply be out of his depth.

Posted: **Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:49 pm**

AR wrote:
Andrew wrote:
AR wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgAh-sxhao

Love hearing a different take on the song and not a karaoke clone mimic.

Journey looks tougher there and not a band that would be on "Ellen".

This is my very favourite Soto/Journey track. He nailed this one live....real energy and passion in the vocals.

Ask the Lonely, Edge Of The Blade, and I'll Be Alright Without You - Jeff absolutely owned those songs.

I would add Where Were You the list. The 3 JSS concerts I saw they did this song every time and it rocked.

I always wanted to see JSS and Deen do Feeling That Way/Anytime and Just The Same Way.

Posted: **Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:54 pm**

zino wrote:
AR wrote:
Andrew wrote:
AR wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgAh-sxhao

Love hearing a different take on the song and not a karaoke clone mimic.

Journey looks tougher there and not a band that would be on "Ellen".

This is my very favourite Soto/Journey track. He nailed this one live....real energy and passion in the vocals.

Ask the Lonely, Edge Of The Blade, and I'll Be Alright Without You - Jeff absolutely owned those songs.

I would add Where Were You the list. The 3 JSS concerts I saw they did this song every time and it rocked.

I always wanted to see JSS and Deen do Feeling That Way/Anytime and Just The Same Way.

Oh man, I don't think either of those songs would be flattering for JSS. Perry's voice was unbelievably high in that era. Jeff obviously did better on the songs where Perry's voice had lowered quite a bit, such as the 3 Ed named above.

Posted: **Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:28 pm**

Ehwmatt wrote:
zino wrote:
AR wrote:
Andrew wrote:
AR wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgAh-sxhao

Love hearing a different take on the song and not a karaoke clone mimic.

Journey looks tougher there and not a band that would be on "Ellen".

This is my very favourite Soto/Journey track. He nailed this one live....real energy and passion in the vocals.

Ask the Lonely, Edge Of The Blade, and I'll Be Alright Without You - Jeff absolutely owned those songs.

I would add Where Were You the list. The 3 JSS concerts I saw they did this song every time and it rocked.

I always wanted to see JSS and Deen do Feeling That Way/Anytime and Just The Same Way.

What if Deen did Perry's part and JSS did Rollie Just a thought...the energy JSS brought to the stage made a difference. I know that is kindda weird but it seemed like the band was into the songs more with JSS and they had an "Edge" to them...it was a feeling thing and it was totaly opposite when I saw the tour this year there seemed to be a disconnect between the band. AP was the only one moving around..this is all just my thoughts and what I would have liked to see.

I was gald SA brought Journey back and was very excited to have JSS in the band.. Im having a hard time getting into the AP lead Journey

Oh man, I don't think either of those songs would be flattering for JSS. Perry's voice was unbelievably high in that era. Jeff obviously did better on the songs where Perry's voice had lowered quite a bit, such as the 3 Ed named above.

Posted: **Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:33 pm**

zino wrote:
What if Deen did Perry's part and JSS did Rollie Just a thought...the energy JSS brought to the stage made a difference. I know that is kindda weird but it seemed like the band was into the songs more with JSS and they had an "Edge" to them...it was a feeling thing and it was totaly opposite when I saw the tour this year there seemed to be a disconnect between the band. AP was the only one moving around..this is all just my thoughts and what I would have liked to see.

I was gald SA brought Journey back and was very excited to have JSS in the band.. Im having a hard time getting into the AP lead Journey.

Interesting thought re: JSS doing Rolie.

I don't dig the AP era at all. Like you said, the whole thing feels boring and sterile. Honestly, I have a very critical ear when it comes to listening to music on CD (I play a little guitar so I know a little more about dissecting music above what a casual listener would do), but when it comes to live shows I almost ALWAYS just end up enjoying things even if I notice some warts. In other words, I hardly ever come home and say "That was a 'bad' show." But, I truly feel like the (substantial) money I spent to see Journey this year was one of the bigger wastes of money I've ever dropped on a concert. Foreigner and Night Ranger were great, but Journey left such a sour taste that trumps good performances by the other two.

Posted: **Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:51 pm**

Ehwmatt wrote:
zino wrote:
What if Deen did Perry's part and JSS did Rollie Just a thought...the energy JSS brought to the stage made a difference. I know that is kindda weird but it seemed like the band was into the songs more with JSS and they had an "Edge" to them...it was a feeling thing and it was totaly opposite when I saw the tour this year there seemed to be a disconnect between the band. AP was the only one moving around..this is all just my thoughts and what I would have liked to see.

I was gald SA brought Journey back and was very excited to have JSS in the band.. Im having a hard time getting into the AP lead Journey.

Interesting thought re: JSS doing Rolie.

I don't dig the AP era at all. Like you said, the whole thing feels boring and sterile. Honestly, I have a very critical ear when it comes to listening to music on CD (I play a little guitar so I know a little more about dissecting music above what a casual listener would do), but when it comes to live shows I almost ALWAYS just end up enjoying things even if I notice some warts. In other words, I hardly ever come home and say "That was a 'bad' show." But, I truly feel like the (substantial) money I spent to see Journey this year was one of the bigger wastes of money I've ever dropped on a concert. Foreigner and Night Ranger were great, but Journey left such a sour taste that trumps good performances by the other two.

My feelings EXACTLY while I didnt drop a ton of $$ ( $50 tixs) I was going to get really good seats. instead I took my son ( 5 years old) he became a fan of DSB.. It was getting late and he was getting tired. My wife hated Journey and I have dragged her to about 10 concerts. We listeded to the last few songs from the concession area and headr DSB on the way out....Just wasnt the same for me this year. not sure I would spend $$ again to see Journey live. I have ben going back listening to old boots with Perry/SA and JSS latley. One thing is for sure I want to see NR do a full set I have always been a fan and they needed more time...I the Shaw/Blades accostic tour about 4 years ago. They had one other guitarist and just them on stage it was GREAT. Always liked Jack Blades.

Posted: **Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:24 am**

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Like all great frontman, Jeff brought out the best in the band and the crowd. Not sure how long he could have lasted on the road. Even here, the way he switches from chest voice to falsetto makes me nervous. A song like DSB would simply be out of his depth.

He's a very husky voiced singer so I have wondered about that as well. His voice sounds rough on most of his own stuff and really wasn't suited for this. By rough I don't mean terrible- it's the JSS sound and I like it. He's an amazing frontman and the new material would have been great , it's just that the dirty dozen wouldn't sound too cloned vocally on tour.

Posted: **Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:31 am**

AR wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qgAh-sxhao

Love hearing a different take on the song and not a karaoke clone mimic.

Journey looks tougher there and not a band that would be on "Ellen".

I listened and watched 1:15 of this footage...
...and yes...Journey would have a new life with THIS SP FAN - IF they kept JSS and recorded new material with him.

I would've bought that new lineup...literally & figuratively.

Posted: **Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:23 am**

Ehwmatt wrote:Interesting thought re: JSS doing Rolie.

Done!

Jeff and Jeremey.........'Just The Same Way' ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-dCtAKZsXc

Posted: **Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:31 am**

Deb wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Interesting thought re: JSS doing Rolie.

Done! Jeff and Jeremey.........'Just The Same Way' ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-dCtAKZsXc

That was fun!

Thanks, Deb.

Posted: **Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:32 pm**

Deb wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Interesting thought re: JSS doing Rolie.

Done! Jeff and Jeremey.........'Just The Same Way' ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-dCtAKZsXc

Legendary evening that I was part of.

Jeff performed for the last time in Journey the next day.

We have more footage than that.

MR

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