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I didn't know Madison had a video out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPwkTOppFrs

I'm not a big country fan, but I think she has a nice voice.

onmyjrny wrote:I didn't know Madison had a video out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPwkTOppFrs

I'm not a big country fan, but I think she has a nice voice.

Part of this video was filmed on the last Journey tour. You can see the stage she is on has the scarab on it.

Lovely young lady, but nothing spectacular at all when it comes to performing.

Don wrote:Lovely young lady, but nothing spectacular at all when it comes to performing.

I agree with you on this. Her moves seem stiff or nervous. She needs to work on her presentation. She does have a decent voice though.

Hollywood wrote:

onmyjrny wrote:I didn't know Madison had a video out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPwkTOppFrs

I'm not a big country fan, but I think she has a nice voice.

Part of this video was filmed on the last Journey tour. You can see the stage she is on has the scarab on it.

I didn't catch that; where is the scarab?

The same David Kalmusky of Journey Eclipse pruduction.

It's like goth meets country.

Don wrote:It's like goth meets country.

The girl needs to be spared. She doesn't deserve the same wrath around here that Journey gets. They earned it, she didn't.

She sings like her dad, right through the nose. She does have a nice voice and is a gorgeous young lady. I hope she does well.

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:It's like goth meets country.

The girl needs to be spared. She doesn't deserve the same wrath around here that Journey gets. They earned it, she didn't.

Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad. Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?

The girl has potential but saying that she shines in this video would be a disservice to her as far as I'm concerned.

She has a pleasant voice and pleasant looks but it takes more than that get anywhere in music these days. Maybe she'll find her self in a few years but as of now, she has a ways to go.

It was a nice version and she did a fine job. She'll fit right in.

I love Maddy's voice and it seems to me people who love to bash daddy will feel it easy to bash her. She has a great voice and I have grown up in Country music central all my life. Her voice is rich and deep and will do great in country music. I wish her well. I have had a baby picture from when she was born and have been a fan of this child since then. She is an amazing young woman.

Jon is an amazing talent at the keyboards and has written some of the best music Journey has ever played.

Some people love him, some love to bash him, but I believe we are going to see great things from this young woman yet.

artist4perry wrote:I love Maddy's voice and it seems to me people who love to bash daddy will feel it easy to bash her. She has a great voice and I have grown up in Country music central all my life. Her voice is rich and deep and will do great in country music. I wish her well. I have had a baby picture from when she was born and have been a fan of this child since then. She is an amazing young woman.

Jon is an amazing talent at the keyboards and has written some of the best music Journey has ever played.

Some people love him, some love to bash him, but I believe we are going to see great things from this young woman yet.

Thank You!

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:It's like goth meets country.

The girl needs to be spared. She doesn't deserve the same wrath around here that Journey gets. They earned it, she didn't.

Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad. Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?

Maybe I am wrong, but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?

Beautiful, soulful young lady!! Love the choice in her song and blending the country with the
southern rock R&B sound! It's brilliant, she has a perfect voice for country! Anymore the
country sound is like the 70's rock sound to me! She definately is taking good advice from her
dad and mom and yet she has her own recipe....

Very Nice Work......

artist4perry wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:It's like goth meets country.

The girl needs to be spared. She doesn't deserve the same wrath around here that Journey gets. They earned it, she didn't.

Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad. Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?

Maybe I am wrong, but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?

Not at all. I don't have anything against Cain. No one said anything negative about Madison yet the seventh post in starts saying to cut the girl some slack when there is no need to. It is obvious that members of Journey read here and there are some members of this board who don't want to offend them even if they are simply stating a truth.
If I like something, I'll say it (see my comments toward Jeremy and Susie P) and if I think something isn't up to par and could use some work, I'll relay that too (Trag, Madison). I'm not from this new PC school of handing out ribbons to all the kids so every one can feel that they are a winner.
If you are a strong determined person constructive criticism builds character and makes you better. If you are a bit weak, then the criticism may bite you instead. That's how real life is though outside the bubble so why pretend it's not on this message board?

Don wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:It's like goth meets country.

The girl needs to be spared. She doesn't deserve the same wrath around here that Journey gets. They earned it, she didn't.

Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad. Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?

Maybe I am wrong, but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?

Not at all. I don't have anything against Cain. No one said anything negative about Madison yet the seventh post in starts saying to cut the girl some slack when there is no need to. It is obvious that members of Journey read here and there are some members of this board who don't want to offend them even if they are simply stating a truth.
If I like something, I'll say it (see my comments toward Jeremy and Susie P) and if I think something isn't up to par and could use some work, I'll relay that too (Trag, Madison). I'm not from this new PC school of handing out ribbons to all the kids so every one can feel that they are a winner.
If you are a strong determined person constructive criticism builds character and makes you better. If you are a bit weak, then the criticism may bite you instead. That's how real life is though outside the bubble so why pretend it's not on this message board?

Well then in that case it is your opinion or preference than personal dislike. On that note we disagree. At 18 she has a great voice and I think she will go far. If it is not your cup of tea then that is your thing. Most of us can agree on some music but we would never agree on liking all the same groups. It is not a matter of PC to me, it is a matter of what I like. And I like Madison's style.

artist4perry wrote:

Don wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:It's like goth meets country.

The girl needs to be spared. She doesn't deserve the same wrath around here that Journey gets. They earned it, she didn't.

Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad. Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?

Maybe I am wrong, but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?

Not at all. I don't have anything against Cain. No one said anything negative about Madison yet the seventh post in starts saying to cut the girl some slack when there is no need to. It is obvious that members of Journey read here and there are some members of this board who don't want to offend them even if they are simply stating a truth.
If I like something, I'll say it (see my comments toward Jeremy and Susie P) and if I think something isn't up to par and could use some work, I'll relay that too (Trag, Madison). I'm not from this new PC school of handing out ribbons to all the kids so every one can feel that they are a winner.
If you are a strong determined person constructive criticism builds character and makes you better. If you are a bit weak, then the criticism may bite you instead. That's how real life is though outside the bubble so why pretend it's not on this message board?

Well then in that case it is your opinion or preference than personal dislike. On that note we disagree. At 18 she has a great voice and I think she will go far. If it is not your cup of tea then that is your thing. Most of us can agree on some music but we would never agree on liking all the same groups. It is not a matter of PC to me, it is a matter of what I like. And I like Madison's style.

I've worked in and around the music industry in Burbank for over a decade and I don't just say shit off the cuff.
As I said when she first appeared on these boards a few years back and repeated again this time, she has a very pleasant voice and she's a lovely young woman. However, I think she still has a lot of work to do to distinguish herself from the rest of the field. Maybe age and additional coaching from her father will help in that regard but at this point (from what I've seen so far), she still has a ways to go. I think the video, by using the darker hues and highlighting her pale features gave off a goth vibe and stated as such. If a simple observation like that considered unfair criticism, so be it. Not the child's fault as she didn't shoot the video but still, it is what it is.

Don wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

Don wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:It's like goth meets country.

The girl needs to be spared. She doesn't deserve the same wrath around here that Journey gets. They earned it, she didn't.

Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad. Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?

Maybe I am wrong, but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?

Not at all. I don't have anything against Cain. No one said anything negative about Madison yet the seventh post in starts saying to cut the girl some slack when there is no need to. It is obvious that members of Journey read here and there are some members of this board who don't want to offend them even if they are simply stating a truth.
If I like something, I'll say it (see my comments toward Jeremy and Susie P) and if I think something isn't up to par and could use some work, I'll relay that too (Trag, Madison). I'm not from this new PC school of handing out ribbons to all the kids so every one can feel that they are a winner.
If you are a strong determined person constructive criticism builds character and makes you better. If you are a bit weak, then the criticism may bite you instead. That's how real life is though outside the bubble so why pretend it's not on this message board?

Well then in that case it is your opinion or preference than personal dislike. On that note we disagree. At 18 she has a great voice and I think she will go far. If it is not your cup of tea then that is your thing. Most of us can agree on some music but we would never agree on liking all the same groups. It is not a matter of PC to me, it is a matter of what I like. And I like Madison's style.

I've worked in and around the music industry in Burbank for over a decade and I don't just say shit off the cuff.
As I said when she first appeared on these boards a few years back and repeated again this time, she has a very pleasant voice and she's a lovely young woman. However, I think she still has a lot of work to do to distinguish herself from the rest of the field. Maybe age and additional coaching from her father will help in that regard but at this point (from what I've seen so far), she still has a ways to go. I think the video, by using the darker hues and highlighting her pale features gave off a goth vibe and stated as such. If a simple observation like that considered unfair criticism, so be it. Not the child's fault as she didn't shoot the video but still, it is what it is.

Country is not rock though. And it is your opinion after all and your entitled to it. I just disagree as I said. I also have some knowledge about music, not to the degree of working around any industry. In time can she improve? Of course, who would not with experience and age? But I think for an 18 year old she is right on game. I am not trying to say you cannot have your say on the matter, just that I disagree with your take on it. But as I said, not everyone will agree. Only time will tell how she will do. I am sure she will do just fine.

No... you took Don's opinion of Madison as his opinion of Jon...

That's called a "strawman" argument...

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet un-equivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[

..and for that you owe Don an apology.

What a great song to cover. I wish the video had just been of her performing the song with her mic and perhaps a band to interact with. Lovely Maddy. Maybe even her playing guitar and singing.

Check out Miles and Will's tune on this link. http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_19778352 Great song/ no video yet but they could take a VW with the top down from Muir Beach and up Mt. Tam and it would be perfect film at 11.

Argus wrote:What a great song to cover. I wish the video had just been of her performing the song with her mic and perhaps a band to interact with. Lovely Maddy. Maybe even her playing guitar and singing.

Check out Miles and Will's tune on this link. http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_19778352 Great song/ no video yet but they could take a VW with the top down from Muir Beach and up Mt. Tam and it would be perfect film at 11.

Great song..Thanks..
'Wild Ride' by Miles of Will

Wills got a great voice...

slucero wrote:No... you took Don's opinion of Madison as his opinion of Jon...

That's called a "strawman" argument...

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet un-equivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[

..and for that you owe Don an apology.

Who the heck are you talking to? If it is me, I asked him what he meant by what he said because of the way it sounded. He explained, I understood. I did not mean it as an attack. I think if Don thinks I owe him an apology he would ask me for one. As far as I am concerned it is not an issue. I have no ill will towards Don or his position.

But thank you Mrs. Cleaver for keeping me in line. I don't mean that in a mean way, just trying to joke with you.

artist4perry wrote:

slucero wrote:No... you took Don's opinion of Madison as his opinion of Jon...

That's called a "strawman" argument...

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet un-equivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[

..and for that you owe Don an apology.

Who the heck are you talking to? If it is me, I asked him what he meant by what he said because of the way it sounded. He explained, I understood. I did not mean it as an attack. I think if Don thinks I owe him an apology he would ask me for one. As far as I am concerned it is not an issue. I have no ill will towards Don or his position.

But thank you Mrs. Cleaver for keeping me in line. I don't mean that in a mean way, just trying to joke with you.

Take a look at Don's post..... actually READ the sentence, say it out loud... and try to understand the whole meaning...

artist4perry wrote:

Don wrote:Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad. Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?

Maybe I am wrong, but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?

Don had already qualified his opinion and how he came to it.... "Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad.

Did you watch the video without sound? even give that a moments consideration? I bet not.

This part: "Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?"was not rhetorical.. it was an actual question for you ...which you completely and conveniently ignored... because you had already decided he was wrong...


Now consider your response..



"Maybe I am wrong"
.... that's as passive aggressive as it gets... and it's you trying to absolve yourself of being responsible what you are about to post next.

"...but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?"
... This is perfectly obvious attack at Dons opinion... even though the 1st part of his post told you otherwise, and also explained how you could understand how he came to that conclusion... by watching the video without sound..


You chose to ignore what he offered and instead simply attacked the last part... the question for you... which you turned into his opinion.

slucero wrote:

artist4perry wrote:

slucero wrote:No... you took Don's opinion of Madison as his opinion of Jon...

That's called a "strawman" argument...

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet un-equivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[

..and for that you owe Don an apology.

Who the heck are you talking to? If it is me, I asked him what he meant by what he said because of the way it sounded. He explained, I understood. I did not mean it as an attack. I think if Don thinks I owe him an apology he would ask me for one. As far as I am concerned it is not an issue. I have no ill will towards Don or his position.

But thank you Mrs. Cleaver for keeping me in line. I don't mean that in a mean way, just trying to joke with you.

Take a look at Don's post..... actually READ the sentence, say it out loud... and try to understand the whole meaning...

artist4perry wrote:

Don wrote:Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad. Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?

Maybe I am wrong, but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?

Don had already qualified his opinion and how he came to it.... "Look at the video without sound and you would understand my analogy. Nothing to do with Journey or her dad.

Did you watch the video without sound? even give that a moments consideration? I bet not.

This part: "Would you prefer that we lie and say what Jon Cain would like to hear?"was not rhetorical.. it was an actual question for you ...which you completely and conveniently ignored... because you had already decided he was wrong...


Now consider your response..



"Maybe I am wrong"
.... that's as passive aggressive as it gets... and it's you trying to absolve yourself of being responsible what you are about to post next.

"...but by that latter statement your feelings of dislike for Jon come shining through a bit. Are you sure your dislike for dad is not being displaced on the daughter?"
... This is perfectly obvious attack at Dons opinion... even though the 1st part of his post told you otherwise, and also explained how you could understand how he came to that conclusion... by watching the video without sound..


You chose to ignore what he offered and instead simply attacked the last part... the question for you... which you turned into his opinion.

What have you been smoking?

Not sure, but I believe he's about to OD on ellipses.

As for the video, it was well filmed and Madison has a very pleasant voice, but nothing extraordinary. Perhaps with time and training, but she's no Reba. Nonetheless, I expect great things from her.

Gideon wrote:Not sure, but I believe he's about to OD on ellipses.

As for the video, it was well filmed and Madison has a very pleasant voice, but nothing extraordinary. Perhaps with time and training, but she's no Reba. Nonetheless, I expect great things from her.

No doubt! LOL! I don't know what got a burr up his butt.


I don't expect anyone to agree with me on her abilities, but I like her. I too think we are going to see great things as she grows as an artist.

Gid... shut the fuck up. No one is talking to you.


A4P.. sorry I don't smoke... my butt is fine.. just have issue when people are wishy-washy with their posts... if you can't see how what you posted considered nothing of what Don posted.. and was outright rude.. then you are beyond help.

tater1977 wrote:

Argus wrote:What a great song to cover. I wish the video had just been of her performing the song with her mic and perhaps a band to interact with. Lovely Maddy. Maybe even her playing guitar and singing.

Check out Miles and Will's tune on this link. http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_19778352 Great song/ no video yet but they could take a VW with the top down from Muir Beach and up Mt. Tam and it would be perfect film at 11.

Great song..Thanks..
'Wild Ride' by Miles of Will

Wills got a great voice...

Very catchy tune...