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What the hell is going on???
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/journey-drumme ... 52653.html

Journey drummer ordered to anger management
Associated Press – 23 minutes ago

DALLAS, Oregon (AP) — Drummer Deen Castronovo from the rock group Journey was sentenced to 80 hours of community service in Oregon and ordered to attend anger-management classes for a domestic violence dispute.

The Statesman Journal newspaper reported the sentence Wednesday based on court documents.

The 47-year-old was arrested Jan. 20 after a dispute with a woman and charged with recklessly endangering another person, interfering with making a police report, criminal mischief and harassment.

The Statesman Journal reported the woman told police that Castronovo had accused her of cheating and they had broken up.

Wow first Neal and the wanna be star, then Arnel falls off the stage now this. When is someone going to spot Jon slapping his daughter and Ross kicking a dog.

Hey look, it made Yahoo!'s top stories and Neal and his whore bag adulterating lover aren't even featured.

Success!

http://www.yahoo.com/

This was supposed to go to court next month. I guess Deen got a plea bargain out of it instead.

Don wrote:This was supposed to go to court next month. I guess Deen got a plea bargain out of it instead.

Probably so the tour could go on.

Good lord, the way he plays drums you wouldn't think he would have any anger left in him.

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:This was supposed to go to court next month. I guess Deen got a plea bargain out of it instead.

Probably so the tour could go on.

I don't think the band was going to wait for him again. They already stood by him in rehab, once was enough. This is a good thing for him as it's part of his diversion agreement. He just needs to throw together some drum clinics for the locals and he gets the charges erased in six months.

Someone at KMBZ 980 (KC) in the news department must be a Journey fan or its a slow news day. Deen's story made the news here at noon.

That's not that bad ...she probably didn't testify
against him or press charges. Hopefully they
will work it out ....like Rhianna and Chris Brown

I bet Deen is embarrassed by the (bad) publicity and just want it to blow over. None of these guys are saints...entertainers just don't live "normal" lives like regular folks.

annie89509 wrote:I bet Deen is embarrassed by the (bad) publicity and just want it to blow over. None of these guys are saints...entertainers just don't live "normal" lives like regular folks.

Is being a rock star somehow an excuse for domestic violence? I hope not. But it really looks like one.

Onestepper wrote:

annie89509 wrote:I bet Deen is embarrassed by the (bad) publicity and just want it to blow over. None of these guys are saints...entertainers just don't live "normal" lives like regular folks.

Is being a rock star somehow an excuse for domestic violence? I hope not. But it really looks like one.

We would have no way of knowing without being there. Can't discount the possibility that some histrionic female escalated the argument, pushed every button he had to purposefully elicit a negative response, then called the cops to play victim, get sympathy, and "punish" him. Can't say whether or not that's the case either, but it's certainly a possibility.

Onestepper wrote:

annie89509 wrote:I bet Deen is embarrassed by the (bad) publicity and just want it to blow over. None of these guys are saints...entertainers just don't live "normal" lives like regular folks.

Is being a rock star somehow an excuse for domestic violence? I hope not. But it really looks like one.

Deen was never charged with domestic violence in any form. I agree with Rip!

Onestepper wrote:

annie89509 wrote:I bet Deen is embarrassed by the (bad) publicity and just want it to blow over. None of these guys are saints...entertainers just don't live "normal" lives like regular folks.

Is being a rock star somehow an excuse for domestic violence? I hope not. But it really looks like one.

No evidence of "beating the fuck out of anyone". She was probably a bitch who cried wolf and there is no evidence to the contrary. I'm an opponent of domestic violence, but I don't really see any here. My guess is that there were $$$ symbols in her eyes when she filed the charge.

Let's see here, who called the police again? It was the neighbor.
Who went outside, was trying to call her dad and get out of the situation? The woman.
Who followed her outside, grabbed her phone away, there by escalating the situation even further? The drummer.

Those are the Facts. Of course, we don't know what they were arguing about but going by the charges, there was no complaint of assault.
If Castronovo doesn't follow her outside and take her phone away, the public doesn't get involved and there is no call to the police.
So, who is to blame here? Obviously, the person who took something that wasn't his.
You people can be such fucking idiots at times.

Don wrote:You people can be such fucking idiots at times.

Usually the first ones to pass judgement on every other celebrity ...but let's
overlook the facts for a certain few ...m-m-m!!

Still~ I hope he didn't do it!!

Michigan Girl wrote:

Don wrote:You people can be such fucking idiots at times.

Usually the first ones to pass judgement on every other celebrity ...but let's
overlook the facts for a certain few ...m-m-m!!

Still~ I hope he didn't do it!!

Amen.

I love Deen and his drumming, but if it turns out he's a lady beater, I'm off that train in a heart beat.

texafana wrote:I love Deen and his drumming, but if it turns out he's a lady beater, I'm off that train in a heart beat.

Why is it that women demand equal voting rights, equal pay, equal social status, equal everything but then still hide behind the "you can't hit a woman" bullshit? Double standard that I refuse to support. If Deen did in fact hit her, she probably deserved it.

Archetype wrote:

texafana wrote:I love Deen and his drumming, but if it turns out he's a lady beater, I'm off that train in a heart beat.

Why is it that women demand equal voting rights, equal pay, equal social status, equal everything but then still hide behind the "you can't hit a woman" bullshit? Double standard that I refuse to support. If Deen did in fact hit her, she probably deserved it.

So are you saying that women deserve to be beaten because they have certain innate personality traits that make them hard to deal with and since we can also vote and own land then it's fair game? What about men? Can a woman beat the hell out of a man because he "deserved it"? If we gave kids equal social liberties could we beat them, then, too?

Or maybe how about don't resort to physical violence because evolution has granted us these advanced brains that allow us to reason with other beings through speech and vocal nuance and functioning upright motor skills that will let us walk away if we are mature enough to do so? And maybe because assaulting another human is weak and illustrates an absence of integrity in character? Maybe that's what it is.

Archetype wrote:

texafana wrote:I love Deen and his drumming, but if it turns out he's a lady beater, I'm off that train in a heart beat.

Why is it that women demand equal voting rights, equal pay, equal social status, equal everything but then still hide behind the "you can't hit a woman" bullshit? Double standard that I refuse to support. If Deen did in fact hit her, she probably deserved it.

And if that doesn't work, shoot her, right?!?
Very odd reasoning, indeed!!



Rhi, great post ...and good to read you!!

Rhiannon wrote:
So are you saying that women deserve to be beaten because they have certain innate personality traits that make them hard to deal with and since we can also vote and own land then it's fair game? What about men? Can a woman beat the hell out of a man because he "deserved it"? If we gave kids equal social liberties could we beat them, then, too?

Or maybe how about don't resort to physical violence because evolution has granted us these advanced brains that allow us to reason with other beings through speech and vocal nuance and functioning upright motor skills that will let us walk away if we are mature enough to do so? And maybe because assaulting another human is weak and illustrates an absence of integrity in character? Maybe that's what it is.

Women should NEVER be hit - except for an occasional spanking (-: Seriously though...I would never hit a chick, turns my stomach thinking about it.

Assaulting someone is wrong, but I think if men squared off more and had a legit fist-fight we'd all be better off. Too many Dbags out there who need a good a kick in the ass. I mean, if anyone ever hit my daughter or wife I'd fucking knock them out and feel it were appropriate. Just me.

Michigan Girl wrote:Rhi, great post ...and good to read you!!

Same to you, beautiful Michie!!

texafana wrote:I love Deen and his drumming, but if it turns out he's a lady beater, I'm off that train in a heart beat.

Agreed. Just not okay. He'd need to be replaced. Everyone all has their panties in a bunch over Schon taking pics of his pecker, but hitting a women is actually something that is just not cool. I just hope it was all blown out of proportion...that's the only thing I hope.

Rhiannon wrote:

Archetype wrote:

texafana wrote:I love Deen and his drumming, but if it turns out he's a lady beater, I'm off that train in a heart beat.

Why is it that women demand equal voting rights, equal pay, equal social status, equal everything but then still hide behind the "you can't hit a woman" bullshit? Double standard that I refuse to support. If Deen did in fact hit her, she probably deserved it.

What about men? Can a woman beat the hell out of a man because he "deserved it"? .

Yes of course. Did I ever say anything to the contrary? But, If a woman is willing to start a fight (and they almost ALWAYS do start physical domestic violence) then they had better not get all indignant when the man finishes the fight. If the woman finishes the fight, well then good for her.

How do you know that she didn't get physical with him first and then play victim when the cops got there? You don't. So all this bullshit about Deen needing to be replaced is just fucking pathetic.

Archetype wrote:Yes of course. Did I ever say anything to the contrary? But, If a woman is willing to start a fight (and they almost ALWAYS do start physical domestic violence) then they had better not get all indignant when the man finishes the fight. If the woman finishes the fight, well then good for her.

How do you know that she didn't get physical with him first and then play victim when the cops got there? You don't. So all this bullshit about Deen needing to be replaced is just fucking pathetic.

Everybody, calm down! LOL.. If I'm not mistaken, no evidence of domestic violence or physical assault...just harassment and disturbing the peace, right? As Don outlined above....Deen was probably at fault. He took responsibility for the whole episode...and that's that. Personally, I think alchohol (or maybe something else was involved) impairing his judgment. Hopefully, he'll learn from this and move on.

I think Archetype's point that much of society claims to be ostensibly feminist except when it comes to physical violence, in which case the situation suddenly regresses to chauvinism: women are weak, helpless, etc.

The implication that I took from it is that society should view physical violence towards women the same way they'd view physical violence towards men.

Gideon wrote:I think Archetype's point that much of society claims to be ostensibly feminist except when it comes to physical violence, in which case the situation suddenly regresses to chauvinism: women are weak, helpless, etc.

The implication that I took from it is that society should view physical violence towards women the same way they'd view physical violence towards men.

At least one thing that is off course with what Archtype said though. Woman are not almost ALWAYS the aggressors when Domestic violence happens. Men still hold a 60 to 4O advantage going by numbers from the mid 70s to present (and a higher percentage before that).

Don wrote:

Gideon wrote:I think Archetype's point that much of society claims to be ostensibly feminist except when it comes to physical violence, in which case the situation suddenly regresses to chauvinism: women are weak, helpless, etc.

The implication that I took from it is that society should view physical violence towards women the same way they'd view physical violence towards men.

At least one thing that is off course with what Archtype said though. Woman are not almost ALWAYS the aggressors when Domestic violence happens. Men still hold a 60 to 4O advantage going by numbers from the mid 70s to present (and a higher percentage before that).

No doubt about that, and I also object to the line that if she probably deserved it. But I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here.