Are They Still Adding Dates...?
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Are They Still Adding Dates...?
by JRNYMAN » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:12 pm
... for this year's tour? Strange they're dancing all around PHX but no date announced yet. Last year they dropped Tucson for some reason which was really surprising since Tucson ALWAYS sold out as does PHX. Last year they played here in July of all times of the year and we filled the damn venue to show them the heat won't keep us away. Hmm.....
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by tater1977 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:26 pm
Didn't they just add a date for up in Montana?
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by steveo777 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:30 pm
Steve, I tried to buy tickets a couple weeks ago for Spokane, Northern Quest Casino and it was sold out already! Over two months away and sold out. I couldn't believe it. WTF!?
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by Arkansas » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:12 pm
Tour dates, especially for classic bills, are all about local economies. It's the promoter that books the venue and sells the tickets (which can include security, the rider expense, etc). If the promoter can make a buck, then he/she does all the work & financial forecasting.
The bands' mgt simply publish an intent to play and their respective 'ask price'. It's up to the local promoter to negotiate the paycheck, according to what can be made in the current market. If for their biz, they can make 10%, after all is said & done, or if they can only make 1%, then it's their call to get on the bands' calendar.
In other words, if a band wants $100k, or if the collective bill wants $X-amount, then the local promoter decides what he/she can do, and makes an offer to the tour. The bands may or may not accept. If they do, then they play so many minutes according to contract, or they pass a city by.
I know from local festival experience, that a band playing Memphis one night, and then Dallas another night, will usually accept a bid, simply because it's just a road stop to them. They're traveling thru Little Rock anyway, or maybe go over to Tulsa on the way to Dallas. They may not get their full 'ask price', but still it's pay because it's an open night on their travel. Make sense?
Long story short. A band books major cities, or even only secondary markets as part of their initial intent, then fills in other dates as the season progresses...or drops intended dates, if the sales aren't doing well. And I think there's also a window of sale, or a point of no return...meaning that if there's not earnest money up front by a certain date, or regardless of sales by another date, then they play or they don't.
It sounds complicated, but it's really kind of simple...at least that's what my radio friends tell me.
later~
The bands' mgt simply publish an intent to play and their respective 'ask price'. It's up to the local promoter to negotiate the paycheck, according to what can be made in the current market. If for their biz, they can make 10%, after all is said & done, or if they can only make 1%, then it's their call to get on the bands' calendar.
In other words, if a band wants $100k, or if the collective bill wants $X-amount, then the local promoter decides what he/she can do, and makes an offer to the tour. The bands may or may not accept. If they do, then they play so many minutes according to contract, or they pass a city by.
I know from local festival experience, that a band playing Memphis one night, and then Dallas another night, will usually accept a bid, simply because it's just a road stop to them. They're traveling thru Little Rock anyway, or maybe go over to Tulsa on the way to Dallas. They may not get their full 'ask price', but still it's pay because it's an open night on their travel. Make sense?
Long story short. A band books major cities, or even only secondary markets as part of their initial intent, then fills in other dates as the season progresses...or drops intended dates, if the sales aren't doing well. And I think there's also a window of sale, or a point of no return...meaning that if there's not earnest money up front by a certain date, or regardless of sales by another date, then they play or they don't.
It sounds complicated, but it's really kind of simple...at least that's what my radio friends tell me.
later~
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by Arkansas » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:01 pm
To go a bit further, the tour manager knows exactly what everything costs.
Truck & bus fuel to stop & start again.
Roadie pay to load-in & load-out.
Pyro & lighting maint.
Gear wear & tear.
Lodging for the artists...lodging for the road crew & mgrs.
Tour riders - who needs what and/or demands what.
This is mostly all factored into the 'ask price' for a single band, or the collective tour. (Often you pay the headliner, and then they pay the supporting acts...but not always.)
The local promoter knows what all his costs are.
Venue rent.
Security staff rent.
City permit costs & various surcharges.
Advertising...to whatever degree.
Ticket printing & handling. (This is often a surcharge directly paid by the consumer up front. However, this also includes a promoter's maint fees to Ticketmaster, LiveNation, etc.)
Parking lot rental & parking lot security.
Any extra staff for just about anything & everything.
Paying for all the 'rider' requirements. (Sometimes, the band specifies that they pay parts of the rider.)
So the promoter has to factor in all his costs & forecasted profit, add the 'ask price' for the tour, and then decide if it's feasible...which directly results in consumer ticket price. That's why ticket prices vary from one date to another.
If the local economy can't handle the ticket price, then the promoter looks to cut costs...local negotiations & politics, and making an offer to the tour less than their ask. Also, he might ask local vendors or radio to help pay the bills in exchange for promotion. Likewise, if it's a really big item, then he/they can charge as much as they want. In addition, I know for a fact, that a promoter will lose money on one show, just to maintain relationships, and then make a ton of cash on another show.
Okay, I've rambled enough. I'm not in the biz, but have a few big money guys that are.
later~
Truck & bus fuel to stop & start again.
Roadie pay to load-in & load-out.
Pyro & lighting maint.
Gear wear & tear.
Lodging for the artists...lodging for the road crew & mgrs.
Tour riders - who needs what and/or demands what.
This is mostly all factored into the 'ask price' for a single band, or the collective tour. (Often you pay the headliner, and then they pay the supporting acts...but not always.)
The local promoter knows what all his costs are.
Venue rent.
Security staff rent.
City permit costs & various surcharges.
Advertising...to whatever degree.
Ticket printing & handling. (This is often a surcharge directly paid by the consumer up front. However, this also includes a promoter's maint fees to Ticketmaster, LiveNation, etc.)
Parking lot rental & parking lot security.
Any extra staff for just about anything & everything.
Paying for all the 'rider' requirements. (Sometimes, the band specifies that they pay parts of the rider.)
So the promoter has to factor in all his costs & forecasted profit, add the 'ask price' for the tour, and then decide if it's feasible...which directly results in consumer ticket price. That's why ticket prices vary from one date to another.
If the local economy can't handle the ticket price, then the promoter looks to cut costs...local negotiations & politics, and making an offer to the tour less than their ask. Also, he might ask local vendors or radio to help pay the bills in exchange for promotion. Likewise, if it's a really big item, then he/they can charge as much as they want. In addition, I know for a fact, that a promoter will lose money on one show, just to maintain relationships, and then make a ton of cash on another show.
Okay, I've rambled enough. I'm not in the biz, but have a few big money guys that are.
later~
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by tater1977 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:40 am
[quote="Arkansas"]To go a bit further, the tour manager knows exactly what everything costs.
Truck & bus fuel to stop & start again.
Roadie pay to load-in & load-out.
Pyro & lighting maint.
Gear wear & tear.
Lodging for the artists...lodging for the road crew & mgrs.
Tour riders - who needs what and/or demands what.
This is mostly all factored into the 'ask price' for a single band, or the collective tour. (Often you pay the headliner, and then they pay the supporting acts...but not always.)
The local promoter knows what all his costs are.
Venue rent.
Security staff rent.
City permit costs & various surcharges.
Advertising...to whatever degree.
Ticket printing & handling. (This is often a surcharge directly paid by the consumer up front. However, this also includes a promoter's maint fees to Ticketmaster, LiveNation, etc.)
Parking lot rental & parking lot security.
Any extra staff for just about anything & everything.
Paying for all the 'rider' requirements. (Sometimes, the band specifies that they pay parts of the rider.)
So the promoter has to factor in all his costs & forecasted profit, add the 'ask price' for the tour, and then decide if it's feasible...which directly results in consumer ticket price. That's why ticket prices vary from one date to another.
If the local economy can't handle the ticket price, then the promoter looks to cut costs...local negotiations & politics, and making an offer to the tour less than their ask. Also, he might ask local vendors or radio to help pay the bills in exchange for promotion. Likewise, if it's a really big item, then he/they can charge as much as they want. In addition, I know for a fact, that a promoter will lose money on one show, just to maintain relationships, and then make a ton of cash on another show.
Okay, I've rambled enough. I'm not in the biz, but have a few big money guys that are.
later~[/quote]
Thanks Arkansas..
Got a friend ..who used to manage one of the
St Louis venues ...back in the 70s..
Then he quit...
I worked with him for 15 years after this & lol he tried
to explain this to a few of us...& we still didn't get it..
Your explanation...was a lot ezr ...
Thanks
Truck & bus fuel to stop & start again.
Roadie pay to load-in & load-out.
Pyro & lighting maint.
Gear wear & tear.
Lodging for the artists...lodging for the road crew & mgrs.
Tour riders - who needs what and/or demands what.
This is mostly all factored into the 'ask price' for a single band, or the collective tour. (Often you pay the headliner, and then they pay the supporting acts...but not always.)
The local promoter knows what all his costs are.
Venue rent.
Security staff rent.
City permit costs & various surcharges.
Advertising...to whatever degree.
Ticket printing & handling. (This is often a surcharge directly paid by the consumer up front. However, this also includes a promoter's maint fees to Ticketmaster, LiveNation, etc.)
Parking lot rental & parking lot security.
Any extra staff for just about anything & everything.
Paying for all the 'rider' requirements. (Sometimes, the band specifies that they pay parts of the rider.)
So the promoter has to factor in all his costs & forecasted profit, add the 'ask price' for the tour, and then decide if it's feasible...which directly results in consumer ticket price. That's why ticket prices vary from one date to another.
If the local economy can't handle the ticket price, then the promoter looks to cut costs...local negotiations & politics, and making an offer to the tour less than their ask. Also, he might ask local vendors or radio to help pay the bills in exchange for promotion. Likewise, if it's a really big item, then he/they can charge as much as they want. In addition, I know for a fact, that a promoter will lose money on one show, just to maintain relationships, and then make a ton of cash on another show.
Okay, I've rambled enough. I'm not in the biz, but have a few big money guys that are.
later~[/quote]
Thanks Arkansas..
Got a friend ..who used to manage one of the
St Louis venues ...back in the 70s..
Then he quit...
I worked with him for 15 years after this & lol he tried
to explain this to a few of us...& we still didn't get it..
Your explanation...was a lot ezr ...
Thanks
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by Infinity Vocalist 2010 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:36 am
They've finally added 2 Ontario dates. Hamilton and Ottawa. I may get tickets for Ottawa, they go on sale this Friday.
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by Chubby321 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:09 am
Tour dates for 2012 
July 21, 2012 - San Bernardino, CA - San Manuel Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 22, 2012 - Stateline, CA - Harvey's Outdoor Arena
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 24, 2012 - Paso Robles, CA - Main Grandstand, California Mid-State Fair
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 26, 2012 - Cheyenne, WY - Frontier Days
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 28, 2012 - George, WA - Gorge Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 29, 2012 - Spokane, WA - Northern Quest Casino Amphitheater - SOLD OUT
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 01, 2012 - Great Falls, MT - Montana Expo Park
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 03, 2012 - Salt Lake City, UT - USANA Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 06, 2012 - Sturgis, SD - Buffalo Chip Campground Ampitheatre
info: w/ Loverboy
August 08, 2012 - Indianapolis, IN - Bankers Life Fieldhouse
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 10, 2012 - Wantagh, NY - Nikon @ Jones Beach Theatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 11, 2012 - Atlantic City, NJ - Ovation Hall, Revel Atlantic City
info:
August 14, 2012 - Watertown, NY - Watertown Fairgrounds Arena
info: w/ Loverboy
August 15, 2012 - Canandaigua, NY - Constellation Brands Marvin Sands Performing Arts Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 17, 2012 - Louisville, KY - Freedom Hall
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 18, 2012 - Des Moines, IA - Grandstand Iowa State Fair
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 22, 2012 - Albuquerque, NM - Sandia Casino Amphitheater
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 24, 2012 - Woodlands, TX - Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 25, 2012 - Dallas, TX - Gexa Energy Pavilion
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 27, 2012 - Birmingham, AL - Oak Mountain Ampitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 28, 2012 - Lafayette, LA - Cajun Dome
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 31, 2012 - Kansas City, KS - Livestrong Sporting Park
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 01, 2012 - St. Paul, MN - Grandstand, MN State Fair
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 15, 2012 - Mt. Pleasant, MI - Soaring Eagle Casino Amphitheatre
info: w/ Loverboy
September 19, 2012 - Peoria, IL - Peoria Civic Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 21, 2012 - Cincinnati, OH - Riverbend Music Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 22, 2012 - Cuyahoga Falls, OH - Blossom Music Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 25, 2012 - Hamilton, ON - Copps Coliseum
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 26, 2012 - Ottawa, ON - Scotiabank Place
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 28, 2012 - Bangor, ME - Waterfront Park
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 29, 2012 - Providence, RI - Dunkin' Donuts Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 02, 2012 - Norfolk, VA - Ted Constant Convocation Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 03, 2012 - Greensboro, NC - Greensboro Coliseum
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 06, 2012 - Atlanta, GA - Aaron's Lakewood Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 12, 2012 - Tampa, FL - 1-800-Ask-Gary Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 13, 2012 - West Palm Beach, FL - Cruzan Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 30, 2012 - New York, NY - Barclays Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
November 05, 2012 - Montreal, PQ - Centre Bell
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
November 07, 2012 - Columbus, OH - Nationwide Arena
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
November 08, 2012 - Evansville, IN - Ford Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
November 13, 2012 - Moline, IL - Iwireless Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
December 12, 2012 - Honolulu, HI - Blaisdell Arena
December 14, 2012 - Honolulu, HI - Blaisdell Arena
July 21, 2012 - San Bernardino, CA - San Manuel Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 22, 2012 - Stateline, CA - Harvey's Outdoor Arena
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 24, 2012 - Paso Robles, CA - Main Grandstand, California Mid-State Fair
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 26, 2012 - Cheyenne, WY - Frontier Days
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 28, 2012 - George, WA - Gorge Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
July 29, 2012 - Spokane, WA - Northern Quest Casino Amphitheater - SOLD OUT
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 01, 2012 - Great Falls, MT - Montana Expo Park
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 03, 2012 - Salt Lake City, UT - USANA Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 06, 2012 - Sturgis, SD - Buffalo Chip Campground Ampitheatre
info: w/ Loverboy
August 08, 2012 - Indianapolis, IN - Bankers Life Fieldhouse
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 10, 2012 - Wantagh, NY - Nikon @ Jones Beach Theatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 11, 2012 - Atlantic City, NJ - Ovation Hall, Revel Atlantic City
info:
August 14, 2012 - Watertown, NY - Watertown Fairgrounds Arena
info: w/ Loverboy
August 15, 2012 - Canandaigua, NY - Constellation Brands Marvin Sands Performing Arts Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 17, 2012 - Louisville, KY - Freedom Hall
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 18, 2012 - Des Moines, IA - Grandstand Iowa State Fair
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 22, 2012 - Albuquerque, NM - Sandia Casino Amphitheater
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 24, 2012 - Woodlands, TX - Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 25, 2012 - Dallas, TX - Gexa Energy Pavilion
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 27, 2012 - Birmingham, AL - Oak Mountain Ampitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 28, 2012 - Lafayette, LA - Cajun Dome
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
August 31, 2012 - Kansas City, KS - Livestrong Sporting Park
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 01, 2012 - St. Paul, MN - Grandstand, MN State Fair
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 15, 2012 - Mt. Pleasant, MI - Soaring Eagle Casino Amphitheatre
info: w/ Loverboy
September 19, 2012 - Peoria, IL - Peoria Civic Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 21, 2012 - Cincinnati, OH - Riverbend Music Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 22, 2012 - Cuyahoga Falls, OH - Blossom Music Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 25, 2012 - Hamilton, ON - Copps Coliseum
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 26, 2012 - Ottawa, ON - Scotiabank Place
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 28, 2012 - Bangor, ME - Waterfront Park
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
September 29, 2012 - Providence, RI - Dunkin' Donuts Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 02, 2012 - Norfolk, VA - Ted Constant Convocation Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 03, 2012 - Greensboro, NC - Greensboro Coliseum
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 06, 2012 - Atlanta, GA - Aaron's Lakewood Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 12, 2012 - Tampa, FL - 1-800-Ask-Gary Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 13, 2012 - West Palm Beach, FL - Cruzan Amphitheatre
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
October 30, 2012 - New York, NY - Barclays Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
November 05, 2012 - Montreal, PQ - Centre Bell
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
November 07, 2012 - Columbus, OH - Nationwide Arena
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
November 08, 2012 - Evansville, IN - Ford Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
November 13, 2012 - Moline, IL - Iwireless Center
info: w/ Pat Benatar (featuring Neil Giraldo), Loverboy
December 12, 2012 - Honolulu, HI - Blaisdell Arena
December 14, 2012 - Honolulu, HI - Blaisdell Arena
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