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I saw Journey Friday night, and for the most part, I do believe that they are back to original tuning. However, do you think they might de-tune, SOME songs? Listen to ANYWAY YOU WANT IT? Unless Arnel is just missing the notes, it sounds lower.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DkCy07G_U4 (2008 - Original Tuning)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBYR2C1tqxg (2009 - Tuned Down)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzmE_9KaPUQ (2012 - ?)


If this is, as I think it is, might this just be to help him on troubling songs? Maybe they want to help warm him up, when it's the 1st song.

I hate to say it, but many of us (myself, included) may have been fooled. Sounds like Faithfully is down tuned too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX7SxwW53iY (2008 - Original Tuning)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOMy3A4nNYU (2009 - Down Tuned)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVwuzIhVVU (2012 - ?)

Vids 1 & 3 are the same.

I don't think anyone expects a 45 year old tenor (Arnel Pineda) to continuously sing the same songs in the same original key as a 34 year old counter-tenor (Steve Perry) did...

The interesting thing about Arnel is that, even though he is a tenor.. I've rarely (if ever) heard him use "head voice" (some call it falsetto)... he seems to be able to power through, staying in chest voice throughout his range.. like 80's metal singers would, screaming straight through.. notice that most tenors have the upper 25% of their range as head (falsetto)

Perry rarely used head (falsetto) voice... only employing it at the very top of his range.. it can be best heard on the Infinity, Departure and Evolution albums.

Something else to ponder too.. while tenors like Arnel are somewhat common, counter tenors like Perry are exceedingly rare... this graphic shows the key ranges... and why tuning down for a tenor (something that is easily sung by a countertenor) isn't such a bad idea...

Duncan wrote:Vids 1 & 3 are the same.

Whoops. I got my links confused. Thanks for the heads up. I just fixed it. (When you're trying to make a point, it's nice to at least get your data correct. HAHAHA!)

After all of this, I will admit one thing. I went into this show expecting it to be original tuning. Evening with my buddy questioning it at the beginning of the show, I blew him off & enjoyed it BIG TIME. Thus, I'm convinced, "Does it really matter?" Maybe we're only screwing ourselves when we go in expecting it one way or the other. I learned 1st hand, when you don't really pay attention to the key, and focus on all the other points of the performances, you can still have a killer time.

Now, for the record, I know some on here are musicians/audiophiles/Journey experts, who might not be able to blow off that fact so easily. I'm just saying, we ALL might just be better off, if we don't get caught up on that. Also, my perception might also be influenced by the fact that I while I am a BIG Journey fan, I have not been playing their music much in recent days.

slucero wrote:I don't think anyone expects a 45 year old tenor (Arnel Pineda) to continuously sing the same songs in the same original key as a 34 year old counter-tenor (Steve Perry) did...

The interesting thing about Arnel is that, even though he is a tenor.. I've rarely (if ever) heard him use "head voice" (some call it falsetto)... he seems to be able to power through, staying in chest voice throughout his range.. like 80's metal singers would, screaming straight through.. notice that most tenors have the upper 25% of their range as head (falsetto)

Perry rarely used head (falsetto) voice... only employing it at the very top of his range.. it can be best heard on the Infinity, Departure and Evolution albums.

Something else to ponder too.. while tenors like Arnel are somewhat common, counter tenors like Perry are exceedingly rare... this graphic shows the key ranges... and why tuning down for a tenor (something that is easily sung by a countertenor) isn't such a bad idea...

Not to take away from what you are writing, but as an opera singer I feel that I have to add my .02 cents, after taxes are taken out . Steve Perry isn't and wasn't a "counter-tenor" A counter tenor strictly sings in their falsetto from the top of their range down to the lowest part of their voice. Perry might've been a tenori di grazia (a light tenor with incredible flexibility to use their range) But Perry does use his head voice and his falsetto, which are two separate parts of the voice. Falsetto is simply unsupported singing, while head voice is supported.In "La Do Da" I believe it's a high A on the last "my my MY" That last "My" is headvoice, it's almost a nasal sound, while the high soft part in "Wheel in the Sky" is his falsetto. Two different things.

Perry's voice is extremely rare, but to Arnel's credit, it would be impossible for him to sing all of these songs with chest voice, it's vocal suicide to sing a B4 (night) in DSB in chest voice, or any of the high C's C#'s and D's required for the Journey catalog. he's using a mixture of head voice and chest. In fact, it's not the high notes in Journeys catalog that is killer on the voice, it's the tessitura in which all these songs are written in. Most of the songs hang out in in F# G and G#. Singing those over and over are much more taxing on the voice rather than a sustained high C#. Both Perry and Arnel have mastered their mixed registers. impressive.

I hope this didn't come across as rude

4everkop wrote:

slucero wrote:I don't think anyone expects a 45 year old tenor (Arnel Pineda) to continuously sing the same songs in the same original key as a 34 year old counter-tenor (Steve Perry) did...

The interesting thing about Arnel is that, even though he is a tenor.. I've rarely (if ever) heard him use "head voice" (some call it falsetto)... he seems to be able to power through, staying in chest voice throughout his range.. like 80's metal singers would, screaming straight through.. notice that most tenors have the upper 25% of their range as head (falsetto)

Perry rarely used head (falsetto) voice... only employing it at the very top of his range.. it can be best heard on the Infinity, Departure and Evolution albums.

Something else to ponder too.. while tenors like Arnel are somewhat common, counter tenors like Perry are exceedingly rare... this graphic shows the key ranges... and why tuning down for a tenor (something that is easily sung by a countertenor) isn't such a bad idea...

Not to take away from what you are writing, but as an opera singer I feel that I have to add my .02 cents, after taxes are taken out . Steve Perry isn't and wasn't a "counter-tenor" A counter tenor strictly sings in their falsetto from the top of their range down to the lowest part of their voice. Perry might've been a tenori di grazia (a light tenor with incredible flexibility to use their range) But Perry does use his head voice and his falsetto, which are two separate parts of the voice. Falsetto is simply unsupported singing, while head voice is supported.In "La Do Da" I believe it's a high A on the last "my my MY" That last "My" is headvoice, it's almost a nasal sound, while the high soft part in "Wheel in the Sky" is his falsetto. Two different things.

Perry's voice is extremely rare, but to Arnel's credit, it would be impossible for him to sing all of these songs with chest voice, it's vocal suicide to sing a B4 (night) in DSB in chest voice, or any of the high C's C#'s and D's required for the Journey catalog. he's using a mixture of head voice and chest. In fact, it's not the high notes in Journeys catalog that is killer on the voice, it's the tessitura in which all these songs are written in. Most of the songs hang out in in F# G and G#. Singing those over and over are much more taxing on the voice rather than a sustained high C#. Both Perry and Arnel have mastered their mixed registers. impressive.

I hope this didn't come across as rude

Not at all... I had vocal training in back in the 80's, and in fairness what I was taught and have read regarding counter tenors has them singing in head voice also.. and there are differing schools of thought regarding the definition of countertenor.

Differences aside - I agree Perry did use head voice and falsetto.. and he and Arnel had to master their respective mixed registers...


cheers.

4everkop wrote:

slucero wrote:I don't think anyone expects a 45 year old tenor (Arnel Pineda) to continuously sing the same songs in the same original key as a 34 year old counter-tenor (Steve Perry) did...

The interesting thing about Arnel is that, even though he is a tenor.. I've rarely (if ever) heard him use "head voice" (some call it falsetto)... he seems to be able to power through, staying in chest voice throughout his range.. like 80's metal singers would, screaming straight through.. notice that most tenors have the upper 25% of their range as head (falsetto)

Perry rarely used head (falsetto) voice... only employing it at the very top of his range.. it can be best heard on the Infinity, Departure and Evolution albums.

Something else to ponder too.. while tenors like Arnel are somewhat common, counter tenors like Perry are exceedingly rare... this graphic shows the key ranges... and why tuning down for a tenor (something that is easily sung by a countertenor) isn't such a bad idea...

Not to take away from what you are writing, but as an opera singer I feel that I have to add my .02 cents, after taxes are taken out . Steve Perry isn't and wasn't a "counter-tenor" A counter tenor strictly sings in their falsetto from the top of their range down to the lowest part of their voice. Perry might've been a tenori di grazia (a light tenor with incredible flexibility to use their range) But Perry does use his head voice and his falsetto, which are two separate parts of the voice. Falsetto is simply unsupported singing, while head voice is supported.In "La Do Da" I believe it's a high A on the last "my my MY" That last "My" is headvoice, it's almost a nasal sound, while the high soft part in "Wheel in the Sky" is his falsetto. Two different things.

Perry's voice is extremely rare, but to Arnel's credit, it would be impossible for him to sing all of these songs with chest voice, it's vocal suicide to sing a B4 (night) in DSB in chest voice, or any of the high C's C#'s and D's required for the Journey catalog. he's using a mixture of head voice and chest. In fact, it's not the high notes in Journeys catalog that is killer on the voice, it's the tessitura in which all these songs are written in. Most of the songs hang out in in F# G and G#. Singing those over and over are much more taxing on the voice rather than a sustained high C#. Both Perry and Arnel have mastered their mixed registers. impressive.

I hope this didn't come across as rude

So, is the way Arnel sings (mostly chest voice) a risk to his voice, ie., is this going to burn him out like the others before him, or is Arnel a different kind of animal?

steveo777 wrote:

4everkop wrote:

slucero wrote:I don't think anyone expects a 45 year old tenor (Arnel Pineda) to continuously sing the same songs in the same original key as a 34 year old counter-tenor (Steve Perry) did...

The interesting thing about Arnel is that, even though he is a tenor.. I've rarely (if ever) heard him use "head voice" (some call it falsetto)... he seems to be able to power through, staying in chest voice throughout his range.. like 80's metal singers would, screaming straight through.. notice that most tenors have the upper 25% of their range as head (falsetto)

Perry rarely used head (falsetto) voice... only employing it at the very top of his range.. it can be best heard on the Infinity, Departure and Evolution albums.

Something else to ponder too.. while tenors like Arnel are somewhat common, counter tenors like Perry are exceedingly rare... this graphic shows the key ranges... and why tuning down for a tenor (something that is easily sung by a countertenor) isn't such a bad idea...

Not to take away from what you are writing, but as an opera singer I feel that I have to add my .02 cents, after taxes are taken out . Steve Perry isn't and wasn't a "counter-tenor" A counter tenor strictly sings in their falsetto from the top of their range down to the lowest part of their voice. Perry might've been a tenori di grazia (a light tenor with incredible flexibility to use their range) But Perry does use his head voice and his falsetto, which are two separate parts of the voice. Falsetto is simply unsupported singing, while head voice is supported.In "La Do Da" I believe it's a high A on the last "my my MY" That last "My" is headvoice, it's almost a nasal sound, while the high soft part in "Wheel in the Sky" is his falsetto. Two different things.

Perry's voice is extremely rare, but to Arnel's credit, it would be impossible for him to sing all of these songs with chest voice, it's vocal suicide to sing a B4 (night) in DSB in chest voice, or any of the high C's C#'s and D's required for the Journey catalog. he's using a mixture of head voice and chest. In fact, it's not the high notes in Journeys catalog that is killer on the voice, it's the tessitura in which all these songs are written in. Most of the songs hang out in in F# G and G#. Singing those over and over are much more taxing on the voice rather than a sustained high C#. Both Perry and Arnel have mastered their mixed registers. impressive.

I hope this didn't come across as rude

So, is the way Arnel sings (mostly chest voice) a risk to his voice, ie., is this going to burn him out like the others before him, or is Arnel a different kind of animal?

Arnel has the same risk every other singer has... but proper care of the voice means he could sing into his 80's like Tony Bennett... Perry had to sing ... too much money on the line back then.. he made the choice and paid the price...

It's a lot easier for Arnel... and he has the bands own history with singers to stick in the bands collective faces when he needs to...

I feel that the Journey catalog is an impossible catalog to sing for many years for any man, especially if they are constantly touring doing back to back shows a week. It takes such mental clarity to sing those songs night after night in different areas of the world. The vocal cords like everything else needs rest, and pushing out A's and B's all night, which seem to be more frequent in Journey than many operas seems a little extreme to me. I think Arnel will do fine if he doesn't ride his voice, and keeps it light and high, just like the very early Perry days, like Departure.

I would have to disagree with you, slucero, on the definition of "head voice". Most vocal teachers will call falsetto "head voice" because it does feel like it's coming from the head instead of the diaphragm. The soft, unsupportive voice is known more commonly as "half voice". It's that vocal that's not full, but not falsetto. It's weaker and can be a life saver, however doing it too much can put a lot of strain on the pipes, as well. Perry seemed to use it a lot during the ROR tour. When people sing softly and airy, that's usually "half voice". My two cents...

I didn't go see Journey this year because of the half step down tuning. I gave them a shot the last go around in Indy and I wasn't impressed. I was the dude in the front row sitting down with my arms crossed flipping Arnel the bird because he was a half-step down. For what Journey has to offer, I definitely expect their singer to cover the material in the original key. Someone really needs to explain to me why you would expect anything less as a customer with a replacement singer. If it was Perry, no one would argue with the original singer being de-tuned. But a replacement singer, please! I'll go see Hugo, Jeremey or Jason before I'll pay that kind of money for half step down material.

Arnel is a small person and has no excuse for not having more range than he has. His parts are small and he should have WAY more range than he demonstrates. Arnel, go see Brett Manning, understand how the voice works, and turn UP the knob pitch a lot.

Head voice and falsetto is not the same. Head voice comes from zipping the chords up and using your upper sinus cavity as a resonator for the pitch generated. Falsetto comes from the edges of the chords vibrating to make the higher pitches. Falsetto sounds very airy and is not very efficient meaning lotso air for very little sound. Head voice may be lighter in sound volume due to the chords being zipped up, but it is not falsetto and is a lot more efficient. Perry could move from chest, through mixed, into head voice seamlessly. Arnel does not. There are people out there that can; Journey just needs to find them. Anyone worth their salt should have a four octave range.

Journey2Infinity wrote:I would have to disagree with you, slucero, on the definition of "head voice". Most vocal teachers will call falsetto "head voice" because it does feel like it's coming from the head instead of the diaphragm. The soft, unsupportive voice is known more commonly as "half voice". It's that vocal that's not full, but not falsetto. It's weaker and can be a life saver, however doing it too much can put a lot of strain on the pipes, as well. Perry seemed to use it a lot during the ROR tour. When people sing softly and airy, that's usually "half voice". My two cents...

It's not "my" definition.. and there are a bunch out there..


I'm very familiar with what yer talking about... I had one of those 50's doo-wop, dog range falsetto's in my 20's...


Perry's passaggio was pretty seamless in his early years, his transition to falsetto obvious too.. but I never heard him use it much.. with the exception of the Infinity, Departure and Evolution albums... by the time ROR came around that was all but gone.. at least I never heard it.

I've never really heard Arnel using falsetto at all... chest, mixed, head only....


love this convo btw...

impossible catalog for anyone to sing night after night doing 40/100 shows a year
perry was great, voice shot now
augeri brought the rock back and is the reason journey is playing to the size crowds they are, but his voice is shot
saw jeremey last year at a festival, and even though the pa was not capable for the size crowd hes voice was not good, and he only plays a limited schedule
so who expects arnel to song perfect 50 shows in

yeh, perry's passagio was pretty sweet. His singing was light and high during Infinity/Departure. His voice thickened during Escape, and by Frontiers you can hear a major difference. He was also getting older, and the male tenor voice does set in around age 30. So he already put a few miles on his voice by Frontiers. ROR forget about it, that sweet high voice wasn't coming back. But people have different preferences. He sounded and used his voice to suit his needs at the time.

4everkop wrote:yeh, perry's passagio was pretty sweet. His singing was light and high during Infinity/Departure. His voice thickened during Escape, and by Frontiers you can hear a major difference. He was also getting older, and the male tenor voice does set in around age 30. So he already put a few miles on his voice by Frontiers. ROR forget about it, that sweet high voice wasn't coming back. But people have different preferences. He sounded and used his voice to suit his needs at the time.

yup.. I love that era... (Departure/Infinity)... I thought the combo of Perry/Rolie was pretty magical... I remember seeing them at Day On The Green in 1980... just before Rolie left.. Perry had that high-sweet timbre then..

Aaron wrote:I didn't go see Journey this year because of the half step down tuning. I gave them a shot the last go around in Indy and I wasn't impressed. I was the dude in the front row sitting down with my arms crossed flipping Arnel the bird because he was a half-step down. For what Journey has to offer, I definitely expect their singer to cover the material in the original key. Someone really needs to explain to me why you would expect anything less as a customer with a replacement singer. If it was Perry, no one would argue with the original singer being de-tuned. But a replacement singer, please! I'll go see Hugo, Jeremey or Jason before I'll pay that kind of money for half step down material.

Arnel is a small person and has no excuse for not having more range than he has. His parts are small and he should have WAY more range than he demonstrates. Arnel, go see Brett Manning, understand how the voice works, and turn UP the knob pitch a lot.

Head voice and falsetto is not the same. Head voice comes from zipping the chords up and using your upper sinus cavity as a resonator for the pitch generated. Falsetto comes from the edges of the chords vibrating to make the higher pitches. Falsetto sounds very airy and is not very efficient meaning lotso air for very little sound. Head voice may be lighter in sound volume due to the chords being zipped up, but it is not falsetto and is a lot more efficient. Perry could move from chest, through mixed, into head voice seamlessly. Arnel does not. There are people out there that can; Journey just needs to find them. Anyone worth their salt should have a four octave range.

When I saw them at the Gorge they were not tuned down. Don't know why you think they have been. I haven't heard it yet. He's doing a better job, so far this season, than he did last year. Cut the shit and just admit you're not a fan, rather than rationalize. He ain't your cup of tea and that's ok. To be the guy flipping him off is a bit childish, IMO. I'm sure the band makes the decision whether to tune down, not Arnel. You flipped off the wrong person. There is no way Journey would sound better with anyone else at this point in their careers. They are selling shows quite well, so the fans have voted. I have nothing to complain about, other than I don't like some of the short set lists with the dozen.

And bringing in the Hugo, Jeremey, Jason BS is just that. Nothing against any of them. I love Jeremey for the person he is, but he is not gonna bullshit you here. Journey is not in his register right now, in case you haven't been paying attention. Still, love the guy...good family man and he has his priorities together...like, OMG, how am I gonna feed these kids. Has a great wife too! He's grounded and a really good person.

Hugo is a poser...a damn good one, but let the tour take it's toll. My bet is that he'd be done 3 gigs in. This horse can't race. So, we are left with your other idol...Jason.. who dat?

You simply have no clue.

I personally dig Arnel and his work with the band, and his voice sits better with me than Steve Augeri's when it comes to the Journey material. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed SA's work with Tall Stories (which was how I first heard of him), but I didn't think his voice was *that* great of a fit with the band. AP's vocals have a bit more pucnh and definitely easy on my ears. And likley I wont ever have to listen to him singing Butterfly, Believe, or Time (from Red 13), so I'm safe at least.

ForceInfinity wrote:I personally dig Arnel and his work with the band, and his voice sits better with me than Steve Augeri's when it comes to the Journey material. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed SA's work with Tall Stories (which was how I first heard of him), but I didn't think his voice was *that* great of a fit with the band. AP's vocals have a bit more pucnh and definitely easy on my ears. And likley I wont ever have to listen to him singing Butterfly, Believe, or Time (from Red 13), so I'm safe at least.

I get your drift. I'm behind Arnel all the way. He can sing, but I'm more impressed with who he is, nevermind that he somehow became a part of Journey. Outside of all that, he's a Hero...a champion among his fellows.

RumTumJM wrote:I hate to say it, but many of us (myself, included) may have been fooled. Sounds like Faithfully is down tuned too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX7SxwW53iY (2008 - Original Tuning)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOMy3A4nNYU (2009 - Down Tuned)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVwuzIhVVU (2012 - ?)

Faithfully is always the standout for me on the detuning, however, that
bothers me much less than the horrible sound issues they had at almost
every show last year ...(and sometimes only people with normal hearing
heard it at other shows). I read in one of these threads that that issue
has been rectified so hooray for those who are finally able to attend a Journey
show for the first time, and for those who are giving it another go.

sniper16 wrote:saw jeremey last year at a festival, and even though the pa was not capable for the size crowd hes voice was not good, and he only plays a limited schedule
so who expects arnel to song perfect 50 shows in

I wouldn't personally call this a limited schedule, especially with every show being two hours in length, but everyone's idea of limited is relative I guess...Not trying to be a douche sniper, I am sure my voice was in horrible shape last year, from about June onward things went downhill, as you can see I had basically no break (those days off were normally spent driving)...Anything after July 1st when I hurt my voice for good I can guarantee you I sounded like total ass, and that's why I don't do it anymore.


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WOW..I had no idea your tour was that extensive!

Question, and I won't be offended if you choose not to answer, but its been 5 years since you considered joining Journey and looking at what they have done recording and tour wise since then..do you think you would have been able to handle it?

This is on YouTube and it kinda reminds me of SA's last show.
While watching it, it's obvious that Jeremey technically knows what he's doing, but the voice simply won't co-operate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQESi5YcfY

Eric wrote:WOW..I had no idea your tour was that extensive!

Question, and I won't be offended if you choose not to answer, but its been 5 years since you considered joining Journey and looking at what they have done recording and tour wise since then..do you think you would have been able to handle it?

Without getting into specifics, yes. I can compare what I've been up to over the past five years with the amount and level of work that the band has generated and say that barring any disaster like an unforeseen injury or illness (I think the Journey crew handles their fog machines more carefully as well), I have certainly been able to meet those demands. Personality wise/pressure wise/politically speaking - those are the issues that are likely more taxing to any Journey singer than the schedule they've maintained over the past five years.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This is on YouTube and it kinda reminds me of SA's last show.
While watching it, it's obvious that Jeremey technically knows what he's doing, but the voice simply won't co-operate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQESi5YcfY

Yeah, NC, that was 5 days after I injured myself. There was never anything like that before I hurt my throat on July 1st, and it didn't get any better. I guess the biggest difference between that and the last shows of Augeri was that Augeri had been "singing" in that condition for nearly two years, versus me getting slammed over the course of a weekend or so. The real damage occurred because I was trying to continue those shows after the muscle injury and hemorrhage from the week before. We did two of the scheduled 7 days and were let go from the contract. I personally was on the hook for a week's worth of hotel rooms for the band as well as all the other travel expenses. Disney said originally they wouldn't even pay for the two days we did perform and it got ugly for a little bit. One part time band member basically quit because I wouldn't pay him for the entire week of shows he felt he was entitled to get paid for. It was pretty much a ruinous situation, but thankfully it's immortalized on YouTube so I'll never forget it.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This is on YouTube and it kinda reminds me of SA's last show.
While watching it, it's obvious that Jeremey technically knows what he's doing, but the voice simply won't co-operate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQESi5YcfY

Oh man. bummer dude. And right after the first line into it, you're thinking "oh fuck and I have to do this entire song". Been there, done that, back in the day ran into that exact same problem one time when I was in the Philippines and was stupid and went to bed under the open window with wet hair from my shower and woke up with a severe sore throat but had to sing later that night.

Aaron wrote:I didn't go see Journey this year because of the half step down tuning. I gave them a shot the last go around in Indy and I wasn't impressed. I was the dude in the front row sitting down with my arms crossed flipping Arnel the bird because he was a half-step down. For what Journey has to offer, I definitely expect their singer to cover the material in the original key. Someone really needs to explain to me why you would expect anything less as a customer with a replacement singer. If it was Perry, no one would argue with the original singer being de-tuned. But a replacement singer, please!

Geez - you're getting awfully worked up about this ...

DracIsBack wrote:

Aaron wrote:I didn't go see Journey this year because of the half step down tuning. I gave them a shot the last go around in Indy and I wasn't impressed. I was the dude in the front row sitting down with my arms crossed flipping Arnel the bird because he was a half-step down. For what Journey has to offer, I definitely expect their singer to cover the material in the original key. Someone really needs to explain to me why you would expect anything less as a customer with a replacement singer. If it was Perry, no one would argue with the original singer being de-tuned. But a replacement singer, please!

Geez - you're getting awfully worked up about this ...

Drink a couple of brews and you'll never notice. You guys take concert going too seriously.

Great interview with AP (thanks tater!), but more importantly... some really good stuff from Arnel regarding how he's taking care of himself and his voice...

He sings one of his warmup songs at the end.. and the relaxed face and open mouth framing are great to see....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... EZ-e949t8Y

At this point, the value of Arnel's contributions as a work horse, bringing in his own specific fan base along with the extra media attention he has garnered during his tenure with Journey far exceeds any of the EXTREMELY limited negative feed back Pineda MAY have gotten from singing half a step down the last couple of tours.