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I've noticed that AP is singing "hard wired in" on a lot of songs lately. I wonder if it is to quench any rumors of him using a "magic mic". Those pitch correction mics are all over Asia. This is not the best sound recording, but here is a recent example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-dcBlm6 ... r_embedded

steveo777 wrote:I've noticed that AP is singing "hard wired in" on a lot of songs lately. I wonder if it is to quench any rumors of him using a "magic mic". Those pitch correction mics are all over Asia. This is not the best sound recording, but here is a recent example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-dcBlm6 ... r_embedded

He did at one time and there were tech's out there fiddling with the battery pack or whatever was hanging on his waist on the back of his pants. It leaves less to go wrong I guess.

Rick wrote:

steveo777 wrote:I've noticed that AP is singing "hard wired in" on a lot of songs lately. I wonder if it is to quench any rumors of him using a "magic mic". Those pitch correction mics are all over Asia. This is not the best sound recording, but here is a recent example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-dcBlm6 ... r_embedded

He did at one time and there were tech's out there fiddling with the battery pack or whatever was hanging on his waist on the back of his pants. It leaves less to go wrong I guess.

He's been cordless on every tour for most of his tenure. Maybe I'm the only one noticing the change.

Maybe Neal decided to put his squirrely little ass on a leash. I notice he's not such a Ricochet Rabbit when he's tethered.

JRNYMAN wrote:Maybe Neal decided to put his squirrely little ass on a leash. I notice he's not such a Ricochet Rabbit when he's tethered.

I noticed that Steve Augeri was corded for the first time in 2003 on the Classic Rock's Main Event tour. As for Arnel, I don't know. Maybe they don't want him falling off the stage again.

Archetype wrote:

JRNYMAN wrote:Maybe Neal decided to put his squirrely little ass on a leash. I notice he's not such a Ricochet Rabbit when he's tethered.

I noticed that Steve Augeri was corded for the first time in 2003 on the Classic Rock's Main Event tour. As for Arnel, I don't know. Maybe they don't want him falling off the stage again.

That could be it! For Arnel's protection!

When I saw them in Atlantic City, I was wondering why there were two lead vocal mics on stage before the show. One was front and center, and one was just stage left of Deen's kit. It turns out that the one front and center was wireless and the other was wired. I figured they had the wired one out there as a backup that could be grabbed very quickly if the wireless went down. They did bring the wireless one on and off the stage, but I never noticed there being any problems with either mic.

Are you guys saying there's a wireless mic AND a corded mic onstage and he switches between the two during the show? I've never heard of anything like that, and I have no idea why someone would use different mics for different songs. Normally there would be a backup mic onstage if there were tech problems and a singer may go between the two if there's technical issues, but if it's part of the show and he literally is using "x" mic for five songs and "y" mic for two then switching back, I've never heard of that happening and have no clue what purpose it would serve, and I'm pretty up to speed on all things audio production.

I'm sure there's a reason for it. It seems to me like it would be a real pain in the ass, so if that's what they're doing there must be a reason. I just have no idea what it may be.

steveo777 wrote:I've noticed that AP is singing "hard wired in" on a lot of songs lately. I wonder if it is to quench any rumors of him using a "magic mic". Those pitch correction mics are all over Asia. This is not the best sound recording, but here is a recent example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-dcBlm6 ... r_embedded

There is no such thing as a "magic mic"... at least not used at the professional level here in the states... microphones used in pro shows are just mics... they don't have any special electronics built in.

Any pitch correction, if done live, is done at the FOH (the big mixing island you walk by as you walk in)... It's either a dedicated piece of hardware or software and and the corrected vocal is what you'd near through the main speakers. The artist typically never hears their own pitch-correction in their monitor whilst singing because that would so fuck them up it would be hilarious to watch.

The correct use of pitch correction still requires the singer to be within a few semitones of the correct key.. too far flat or sharp and the pitch correction begins to sound like T-Pain, so for the most part pitch correction done RIGHT requires a singer who can actually sing in key, which means a descent monitor feed for the singer. The Pitch correction used is then so subtle that its largley not noticeable, except to the trained ear.

Article: http://www.fohonline.com/current-issue/ ... ation.html

mic-gate? 2012?

scarab wrote:mic-gate? 2012?

Tapegate 2.0

Little River Band used to tape down the mic cord to keep John Farnham from wondering too far as the guy had no qualms about going down to the audience level.

The more I think about it, I wonder if there have been some delay problems in some venues, for who knows why?
I think I've seen Neal plugged in too.

the usual reason for going "Wired" vs "wireless is that there is a reception problem with the wireless device...

some guitar players can hear a difference in tone... that may explain why Neal sometimes uses a chord..

delay has nothing to do with it....

slucero wrote:the usual reason for going "Wired" vs "wireless is that there is a reception problem with the wireless device...

delay has nothing to do with it....

That answer makes sense to me.

slucero wrote:the usual reason for going "Wired" vs "wireless is that there is a reception problem with the wireless device...

some guitar players can hear a difference in tone... that may explain why Neal sometimes uses a chord..

delay has nothing to do with it....

Probably not as much reception as traffic/interference on the freqs. they use. As soon as the crew lands on site, I'm sure one of the first things the sound engineer and Neal's tech do is break out a freq. scanner to check for possible interference on the channel(s) they have available to them. If there's even a pulse on Neal's or the cordless' freq's. I can see them calling for a wired setup vs. the unplugged one.

This, plus wired mics just sound better. They're stronger and clearer and as everyone pointed out they are prone to dropouts etc. The thing that struck me as odd was, and I guess I misunderstood, it sounded to me like Arnel was using a wired mic for particular songs then a wireless mic for other specific songs, and doing the same thing every night regardless of venue (like switch to wired during "open arms" and go back to wireless for "separate ways." there doesn't seem to be a good explanation for something like that.

Maybe one of you guys should become a roadie for the band and then you'd have insider information to this trival stuff. If there are two mics on stage, one wireless and one not, I is possible that one could be for a back up in the event that the other one fails. Maybe if I remember I'll ask him the next time.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Maybe one of you guys should become a roadie for the band and then you'd have insider information to this trival stuff. If there are two mics on stage, one wireless and one not, I is possible that one could be for a back up in the event that the other one fails. Maybe if I remember I'll ask him the next time.

There are numerous musicians who are members of this site and as such we have a better understanding and a more technical grasp of issues like this one which enables us to quickly rule certain things out and, since we don't have Arnel on speed dial to ask him directly about this issue, all we can do is make educated guesses. But, if you've got that kind of access to Arnel, by all means, find out the answer to this and report back!

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Maybe one of you guys should become a roadie for the band and then you'd have insider information to this trival stuff. If there are two mics on stage, one wireless and one not, I is possible that one could be for a back up in the event that the other one fails. Maybe if I remember I'll ask him the next time.

Been there, done that. Been a soundman. Went to school for audio engineering...


Got any other snide comments asshole?

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Maybe one of you guys should become a roadie for the band and then you'd have insider information to this trival stuff. If there are two mics on stage, one wireless and one not, I is possible that one could be for a back up in the event that the other one fails. Maybe if I remember I'll ask him the next time.

Troll likes trolling.

JRNYMAN wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Maybe one of you guys should become a roadie for the band and then you'd have insider information to this trival stuff. If there are two mics on stage, one wireless and one not, I is possible that one could be for a back up in the event that the other one fails. Maybe if I remember I'll ask him the next time.

There are numerous musicians who are members of this site and as such we have a better understanding and a more technical grasp of issues like this one which enables us to quickly rule certain things out and, since we don't have Arnel on speed dial to ask him directly about this issue, all we can do is make educated guesses. But, if you've got that kind of access to Arnel, by all means, find out the answer to this and report back!

If I had to take an educated guess as to why, I'd say it may have to do with interferences. Not only from outside sources but could possibly be from internal as well. Let me ask you this since there are obviously people here that know more about this than I do, would too many wireless devices have any type of adverse effects on anything within the same venue? Would many wireless devices plus wireless mics have any sort of effects on wireless ear monitors? Would too many people using hand held devices like cell phones in the audience be a source of such interferences?

The other guess would be the quality factor, is there better quality with hard wired vs wireless.

Jeremey wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Maybe one of you guys should become a roadie for the band and then you'd have insider information to this trival stuff. If there are two mics on stage, one wireless and one not, I is possible that one could be for a back up in the event that the other one fails. Maybe if I remember I'll ask him the next time.

Troll likes trolling.

Thanks for the compliment, though I prefered the first one before you corrected yourself saying that I was a dickhead for not reading what people were saying in regards to him singing specific songs night after night with just the wireless and then the hard wired mic. Upon reading your reply in reference to my post I re-read the entire thread before you changed up your post and the fact is the only person I saw here mentioning it was you. Where did you get that from? I didn't see anyone else mentioning that specific circumstance. Please advise where you read here where someone was saying that was what he was doing during the shows, for some reason I missed that part along the way. Anyone gone to one of the shows and seen him do that with the mics?

Jeremey wrote:This, plus wired mics just sound better. They're stronger and clearer and as everyone pointed out they are prone to dropouts etc. The thing that struck me as odd was, and I guess I misunderstood, it sounded to me like Arnel was using a wired mic for particular songs then a wireless mic for other specific songs, and doing the same thing every night regardless of venue (like switch to wired during "open arms" and go back to wireless for "separate ways." there doesn't seem to be a good explanation for something like that.

Jeremey wrote:Are you guys saying there's a wireless mic AND a corded mic onstage and he switches between the two during the show? I've never heard of anything like that, and I have no idea why someone would use different mics for different songs. Normally there would be a backup mic onstage if there were tech problems and a singer may go between the two if there's technical issues, but if it's part of the show and he literally is using "x" mic for five songs and "y" mic for two then switching back, I've never heard of that happening and have no clue what purpose it would serve, and I'm pretty up to speed on all things audio production.

I'm sure there's a reason for it. It seems to me like it would be a real pain in the ass, so if that's what they're doing there must be a reason. I just have no idea what it may be.

The Sushi Hunter wrote:

JRNYMAN wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Maybe one of you guys should become a roadie for the band and then you'd have insider information to this trival stuff. If there are two mics on stage, one wireless and one not, I is possible that one could be for a back up in the event that the other one fails. Maybe if I remember I'll ask him the next time.

There are numerous musicians who are members of this site and as such we have a better understanding and a more technical grasp of issues like this one which enables us to quickly rule certain things out and, since we don't have Arnel on speed dial to ask him directly about this issue, all we can do is make educated guesses. But, if you've got that kind of access to Arnel, by all means, find out the answer to this and report back!

If I had to take an educated guess as to why, I'd say it may have to do with interferences. Not only from outside sources but could possibly be from internal as well. Let me ask you this since there are obviously people here that know more about this than I do, would too many wireless devices have any type of adverse effects on anything within the same venue? Would many wireless devices plus wireless mics have any sort of effects on wireless ear monitors? Would too many people using hand held devices like cell phones in the audience be a source of such interferences?

The other guess would be the quality factor, is there better quality with hard wired vs wireless.

In a word... NO.


Modern wireless mics and in-ear monitoring use frequency-synthesized switch-selectable channels, pretty much eliminating interference (called "crossstalk") issues. In the "old days" wireless mics were not only prone to interference, but also suffered from an audio quality perspective. These days, there may be a rare occurrence of interference, but for the most part the reason to go "wired" is audio quality, but the difference, audio quality wise, has greatly narrowed with more modern wireless mic systems.

In-ear monitors eliminate stage monitors and their associated feedback problems, reduce heard stage volume, and give the user the ability to have very tailored and clear monitor mix.

Musical equipment (amplifiers, effects, etc) is typically already shielded against outside interference, and typically does not create interference issues with wireless devices.

JRNYMAN wrote:

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Maybe one of you guys should become a roadie for the band and then you'd have insider information to this trival stuff. If there are two mics on stage, one wireless and one not, I is possible that one could be for a back up in the event that the other one fails. Maybe if I remember I'll ask him the next time.

There are numerous musicians who are members of this site and as such we have a better understanding and a more technical grasp of issues like this one which enables us to quickly rule certain things out and, since we don't have Arnel on speed dial to ask him directly about this issue, all we can do is make educated guesses. But, if you've got that kind of access to Arnel, by all means, find out the answer to this and report back!

Supposedly, he was very close to Arnel and his band back in the day.

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... 41#3994841

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Well I'm very happy for Arnel. I hope that I've been very neutral on this site, because I have been, not siding with anyone inparticular. Someone once thought that I was Arnel's brother or something like that previously on this site. And getting down to it, we are very close. I consider him my brother and I also consider the rest of the AMO Band members my brothers and I will never betray them.

With that said, I've known Arnel personally. I've also known Uly (refer wiki) personally. I was there with Arnel and AMO back in the 80's during the Cal-Jam days.

What are you going to see on the next Journey Album? I can't really tell for sure. But what I can say is, Arnel has a vocal trademark. He has the ability to hit the high notes and beyond and to hold those notes for prolonged periods of time. Watch for that trademark to be incorporated into the new songs that will come out on the Journey CD, they just may be there.

We all should be very happy, rock may be returning as we all know and love it. It's not going to be a fly by night grung style that sounds like ass. It's going to be rock the way we all loved it back in the 80's, now in the new age.

I'm very happy for my brother Arnel from the AMO Band family to finally make it......Arnel deserves it. He's loved singing these songs with all his heart for so long, and with all of his passion, he performed on stage with all of his heart and soul and it's now his time to shine as a brilliant star upon us. And I'll be right there to watch him, this time in the audience.

All the best, Kameron Vitario

Hopefully MR'svery own Rip Rokken who has a relationship with Pineda can ask AP if he remembers this guy and can vouch for him.

I'm not discerning what this has to do with microphones and audio quality... and how it would make his opinion more credible..

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Thanks for the compliment, though I prefered the first one before you corrected yourself saying that I was a dickhead for not reading what people were saying in regards to him singing specific songs night after night with just the wireless and then the hard wired mic. Upon reading your reply in reference to my post I re-read the entire thread before you changed up your post and the fact is the only person I saw here mentioning it was you. Where did you get that from? I didn't see anyone else mentioning that specific circumstance. Please advise where you read here where someone was saying that was what he was doing during the shows, for some reason I missed that part along the way. Anyone gone to one of the shows and seen him do that with the mics?

Ha, nope, I didn't call you a dickhead. I said maybe you should work on your reading comprehension skills before making dickhead comments. Then as soon as I posted it, I saw it was YOU that had made the comment and I thought, "Oooooh yeah....THAT guy/girl," and went back to edit my post as not to show you had gotten a bite on your troll bait. Like a good troll, though, you were there refreshing the comments every few seconds to see what kind of response you were getting. Because I changed my post instantaneously, the first reply couldn't have been up there for longer than 90 seconds (the first edit wouldn't go through because BBS said I was posting too quickly).

Anyway, where did I get it from? Well, the original post, Steveo says, "I've noticed that AP is singing "hard wired in" on a lot of songs lately." That to me sounded like he was using more than one microphone on a routine basis.

Then Starrider says "When I saw them in Atlantic City, I was wondering why there were two lead vocal mics on stage before the show. One was front and center, and one was just stage left of Deen's kit. It turns out that the one front and center was wireless and the other was wired. I figured they had the wired one out there as a backup that could be grabbed very quickly if the wireless went down. They did bring the wireless one on and off the stage, but I never noticed there being any problems with either mic."

Again, another reference to Arnel switching between two mics - THIS time specifically saying they didn't notice that there were any problems with EITHER mic.

So then I asked for clarification on this, could anyone confirm that he was indeed using two different mics for different songs. That's all. No need for sarcastic comments about having "insider information" from a guy who claims to have been as close as a brother to Arnel. Anyway, yes, it would be a good idea if you could clarify with Arnel why he's using two different mics during the show. That would really save everyone a lot of sleepless nights, trust me.

Jeremey wrote:That would really save everyone a lot of sleepless nights, trust me.

I, for one, have tossed and turned all night for the past two nights thinking about this. I even took a handful of Ambien and couldn't get any sleep.

I'm dissapointed. I really had my heart set on being a dickhead

Starrider wrote:When I saw them in Atlantic City, I was wondering why there were two lead vocal mics on stage before the show. One was front and center, and one was just stage left of Deen's kit. It turns out that the one front and center was wireless and the other was wired. I figured they had the wired one out there as a backup that could be grabbed very quickly if the wireless went down. They did bring the wireless one on and off the stage, but I never noticed there being any problems with either mic.

Is it possible that the extra mic could be used for something other than Arnel using it? If you were there for the entire show, did he or anyone use the extra mic that you saw on the stage during that show? If no one used it, perhaps it was a backup that they never needed. Or is it even possible that they wanted to use it for some other purpose like to record audio or to monitor audio from on the stage?