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Review: Journey fun, and really familiar at Riverbend

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:07 am
by tater1977
Review: Journey fun, and really familiar at Riverbend

Review: Journey fun, and really familiar

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The first time you see Arnel Pineda open his mouth and hear Steve Perry’s voice, it’s a bit of a shock. The Filipino singer, who has been with Journey since 2007, sounds just like Perry, the band’s former singer, when he’s singing Perry’s ’80s anthems.

Five years after Pineda joined the band, that initial novelty is gone. What remain are the hits, which he and Journey performed at Riverbend Friday night in versions nearly exactly similar to the originals.

It was fun to hear some of those old tunes. Beyond that, Pineda doesn’t add much, other than a vapid enthusiasm: he can smile, he can run around the stage, and he can sing like a million bucks, but he hasn’t really put his stamp on the band. The only times he could be credited with doing his own thing was when he sang a couple of new songs. But the new ones didn’t measure up to the old, and he still sounded like Perry.

Maybe he doesn’t want to reveal his personality, or maybe the long-term band members – guitarist Neal Schon, keyboard player Jonathan Cain and bassist Ross Valory – don’t want him to, either. One song began right where another ended, making for a rapid fire show and eliminating any opportunity for Pineda stage chatter. The only time he addressed the crowd with more than one or two words was when he instructed fans to hold their cell phones in the air during “Lights,” which he then went on to sing just like Perry did.

The result was a very good 95-minute Journey’s-greatest-hits live show, barring the new tunes. The band played as well as ever, with drummer Deen Castronovo propelling the group with hard-rock power and precision.

Highlights of the concert – which closed out the Riverbend season and also featured opening acts Pat Benatar and Loverboy – included Journey’s performance of “Feeling That Way”/“Anytime,” with Cain handling former keyboard player Gregg Rolie’s vocal parts and Pineda, of course, handling Perry’s.

The end of the show ramped up to then encore with several classics, going from “Wheel in the Sky” to “Be Good to Yourself” to “Don’t Stop Believin’” (with confetti and streamers raining down upon the crowd at the end) to “Separate Ways.”

Not so great – other than the aforementioned new songs – was the Schon-Cain rendition of “The Star Spangled Banner.” Schon played roughly a half-million notes during the song, providing the guitar-player’s equivalent one of those overblown versions of the national anthem as performed by some pop singer at a big sporting event.

Benatar’s and Loverboy’s respective sets were great, because neither had any new-song filler – just the old hits. Backed by a three-piece band that included her husband and longtime guitarist Neil Giraldo, Benatar played an hour’s worth of hits, including her biggest ones like “Hit Me with Your Best Shot,” “Love is a Battlefield” and “We Belong.” Loverboy knocked out a quick seven-song set with favorites like “Lovin’ Every Minute of It,” “Turn Me Loose” and the ultimate ’80s Friday-night jam, “Working for the Weekend.”

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:50 pm
by steveo777
Why even bother to post this kind of shit? The guy has bad ears. AP emulates, that's all. He is supposed to sound like Journey and he does bring his own style to much of the music. He also engages the audience.......unless you're too far away to notice. So, my question is, if the reviewer doesn't like it, why was he there? There are plenty of better reviews out there this year, so a few sour ones don't really matter, as they outweigh the few like this.

Beyond that, Pineda doesn’t add much, other than a vapid enthusiasm: he can smile, he can run around the stage, and he can sing like a million bucks, but he hasn’t really put his stamp on the band.


Cannot agree with this. Journey is not in business because "Pineda doesn't add much". Let's just delete the singer and have Deen sing from behind the kit and see how that goes. :roll: :roll: :roll:

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:07 pm
by tater1977
steveo777 wrote:Why even bother to post this kind of shit? The guy has bad ears. AP emulates, that's all. He is supposed to sound like Journey and he does bring his own style to much of the music. He also engages the audience.......unless you're too far away to notice. So, my question is, if the reviewer doesn't like it, why was he there? There are plenty of better reviews out there this year, so a few sour ones don't really matter, as they outweigh the few like this.

Beyond that, Pineda doesn’t add much, other than a vapid enthusiasm: he can smile, he can run around the stage, and he can sing like a million bucks, but he hasn’t really put his stamp on the band.


Cannot agree with this. Journey is not in business because "Pineda doesn't add much". Let's just delete the singer and have Deen sing from behind the kit and see how that goes. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Whoa...sorry to make your weekend shitty Steveo... :cry:
I post whether good or bad reviews...so both sides can read.
But its all good bro...won't post no more ....

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:24 pm
by steveo777
tater1977 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Why even bother to post this kind of shit? The guy has bad ears. AP emulates, that's all. He is supposed to sound like Journey and he does bring his own style to much of the music. He also engages the audience.......unless you're too far away to notice. So, my question is, if the reviewer doesn't like it, why was he there? There are plenty of better reviews out there this year, so a few sour ones don't really matter, as they outweigh the few like this.

Beyond that, Pineda doesn’t add much, other than a vapid enthusiasm: he can smile, he can run around the stage, and he can sing like a million bucks, but he hasn’t really put his stamp on the band.


Cannot agree with this. Journey is not in business because "Pineda doesn't add much". Let's just delete the singer and have Deen sing from behind the kit and see how that goes. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Whoa...sorry to make your weekend shitty Steveo... :cry:
I post whether good or bad reviews...so both sides can read.
But its all good bro...won't post no more ....


Hey, there Tater. We are fine. I just posted what I did because this place has been boring lately. You have also posted a ton of great reviews. I guess I just don't get this reviewer. And don't stop posting on my account, please! I think Journey is doing a fantastic job, overall. We don't have Steve Perry anymore and I really enjoy what there is now. I guess these kind of comparisons are going to always be the norm. That should be a compliment, actually. It's all good, bro. :D

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:09 pm
by slucero
I was laughing my ass off at this part...

....Schon played roughly a half-million notes during the song,

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:34 pm
by Ritchie
When in a first sentence a Journey concert review starts with mentioning Arnel Pineda just once and after that Perry`s name three times my LOON-ALERT goes into overdrive. :lol: :wink:

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:03 am
by Michigan Girl
I would say that anyone who hears SP's voice when AP opens his mouth is a non-loon.

I'm not sure what he said that is not true He seemed to be looking for something new and
unique from AP after having spent a few years w/the band, something that says, "I'm Arnel and I'm the
lead singer of this band now."
He didn't see much of a change, no biggie ...no problem.


Tater ...keep all views coming, many of us appreciate your efforts!! :wink:

Re: Review: Journey fun, and really familiar at Riverbend

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:56 am
by SF-Dano
tater1977 wrote:Review: Journey fun, and really familiar at Riverbend

Review: Journey fun, and really familiar


It was fun to hear some of those old tunes. But the new ones didn’t measure up to the old, .........

The result was a very good 95-minute Journey’s-greatest-hits live show, barring the new tunes.

Not so great – other than the aforementioned new songs – was the Schon-Cain rendition of “The Star Spangled Banner.”

Benatar’s and Loverboy’s respective sets were great, because neither had any new-song filler – just the old hits.


It sounds to me like this reviewer isn't interested in even giving new music from classic bands a chance. Typical current attitude. Remember when it was a treat to go to a show and here a new song from a band, even before it was out on a record? It was just cool. Not anymore.

I may be wrong, he may have just not liked the new tunes, but from the quotes above it sure seems he could care less about anything he hasn't heard on the radio before. What were the names of those new tunes he was referring to anyway?

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:04 am
by Ritchie
Michigan Girl wrote:I would say that anyone who hears SP's voice when AP opens his mouth is a non-loon.

I'm not sure what he said that is not true He seemed to be looking for something new and
unique from AP after having spent a few years w/the band, something that says, "I'm Arnel and I'm the
lead singer of this band now."
He didn't see much of a change, no biggie ...no problem.


Tater ...keep all views coming, many of us appreciate your efforts!! :wink:


Loon or no loon,the reviewer has clearly issues with Pineda not being original or not putting his own stamp on the band.
What does this reviewer expect,Pineda rearranging the vocals on the classics? :roll:
The reviewer writes: "The only times Pineda could be credited is when Journey plays new songs but they can`t measure up to the classics".
Now,Who`s fault is that,Yup Pineda`s,not Cain or Schon who wrote the songs. :roll:

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:13 am
by Michigan Girl
Ritchie wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:I would say that anyone who hears SP's voice when AP opens his mouth is a non-loon.

I'm not sure what he said that is not true He seemed to be looking for something new and
unique from AP after having spent a few years w/the band, something that says, "I'm Arnel and I'm the
lead singer of this band now."
He didn't see much of a change, no biggie ...no problem.


Tater ...keep all views coming, many of us appreciate your efforts!! :wink:


Loon or no loon,the reviewer has clearly issues with Pineda not being original or not putting his own stamp on the band.
What does this reviewer expect,Pineda rearranging the vocals on the classics? :roll:
The reviewer writes: "The only times Pineda could be credited is when Journey plays new songs but they can`t measure up to the classics".
Now,Who`s fault is that,Yup Pineda`s,not Cain or Schon who wrote the songs. :roll:


I think the reviewer clearly has a problem with AP as a frontman. As far as rearranging anything, I don't think that
is necessary ... e.g.
Kelly Hansen sings the Foreigner classics the way the audience expects, but he owns the stage while doing so.
Steve Augeri, from what I understand, took charge when he fronted Journey. (until tapegate) and in listening to folks around here
JSS did a great frontman. Why AP doesn't address his audience and try to get them pumped up is anyones guess, that may
not be his choice either, but as frontman it is his responsibility. There are many who don't think the
new songs measure up to the classics, but that is the type of audience Journey (and many classic bands) attract ...
and a good possibility as to why they continue dropping the new songs from the setlist.
Facts
1. AP has a great set of pipes~sings like a million bucks
2. AP runs all lover the stage ~Vapid enthusiasm
3. Smiles
4. It was fun to hear some of those old tunes~The classics were heard
5. AP does not address his audience enough

Opinion
1.The new songs aren't as good as the old
2. AP does not address his audience enough
3. He has not made his mark ( I disagree, the running all over the stage has definitely made an impact :shock: )
4. Sounds like Perry (perhaps, but without the emotion/nuances)

Reviews like this could actually be conStructive ...but I think the band realized that, other than the voice,
AP had the vapid enthusiasm and perhaps they better keep that in order to replace the lack of communication/
connection w/his audience.
He went from energizer bunny (Revelation Tour)
to Duracell (2nd Revelation Tour) back to Energizers for the Eclipse tour?!?
Bottom Line ...frontman better learn to take the heat, it's a lot of pressure.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:17 am
by Ritchie
Michigan Girl wrote:
Ritchie wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:I would say that anyone who hears SP's voice when AP opens his mouth is a non-loon.

I'm not sure what he said that is not true He seemed to be looking for something new and
unique from AP after having spent a few years w/the band, something that says, "I'm Arnel and I'm the
lead singer of this band now."
He didn't see much of a change, no biggie ...no problem.


Tater ...keep all views coming, many of us appreciate your efforts!! :wink:


Loon or no loon,the reviewer has clearly issues with Pineda not being original or not putting his own stamp on the band.
What does this reviewer expect,Pineda rearranging the vocals on the classics? :roll:
The reviewer writes: "The only times Pineda could be credited is when Journey plays new songs but they can`t measure up to the classics".
Now,Who`s fault is that,Yup Pineda`s,not Cain or Schon who wrote the songs. :roll:


I think the reviewer clearly has a problem with AP as a frontman. As far as rearranging anything, I don't think that
is necessary ... e.g.
Kelly Hansen sings the Foreigner classics the way the audience expects, but he owns the stage while doing so.
Steve Augeri, from what I understand, took charge when he fronted Journey. (until tapegate) and in listening to folks around here
JSS did a great frontman. Why AP doesn't address his audience and try to get them pumped up is anyones guess, that may
not be his choice either, but as frontman it is his responsibility. There are many who don't think the
new songs measure up to the classics, but that is the type of audience Journey (and many classic bands) attract ...
and a good possibility as to why they continue dropping the new songs from the setlist.
Facts
1. AP has a great set of pipes~sings like a million bucks
2. AP runs all lover the stage ~Vapid enthusiasm
3. Smiles
4. It was fun to hear some of those old tunes~The classics were heard
5. AP does not address his audience enough

Opinion
1.The new songs aren't as good as the old
2. AP does not address his audience enough
3. He has not made his mark ( I disagree, the running all over the stage has definitely made an impact :shock: )
4. Sounds like Perry (perhaps, but without the emotion/nuances)

Reviews like this could actually be conStructive ...but I think the band realized that, other than the voice,
AP had the vapid enthusiasm and perhaps they better keep that in order to replace the lack of communication/
connection w/his audience.
He went from energizer bunny (Revelation Tour)
to Duracell (2nd Revelation Tour) back to Energizers for the Eclipse tour?!?
Bottom Line ...frontman better learn to take the heat, it's a lot of pressure.



Nice summing up of the facts and the opinions.
I guess the facts are the facts and not open to debate. :lol:
But the opinions..well..
1.The new songs aren`t as good as the old.
I disagree.
Because "aren`t as good" is subjective "aren`t as popular" I could agree with.
I believe Cain and Schon still can write a good song but it will never match the popularity of their songs in Journeys heyday.
2.AP does not address his audience enough.
Agreed.
Probably Journey wants the audience to concentrate on a singing Pineda and not take away any momentum by a leadsinger who will speak with a heavy accent.
3.He has not made his mark.
I disagree as well.
Pineda`s glissando note on the end of Separate Ways still amazes me..Perry never did that,Augeri and Soto... never heard them do it..not that they couldn`t but Pineda did..it`s his mark and yes,Pineda is the singer with the most mileage under his belt. :lol:
4. Sounds like Perry
In some ways he sounds like Perry but in many ways he doesn`t.
So I partially agree.
The part you added "perhaps,but without the emotions/nuances" I can agree with partially. :D
Maybe Pineda doesn`t possess Perry`s velvet smooth delivery but still he is an awesome singer who has enough vocal prowess to do the Journey songs justice.
You know a singer can emote all he wants if the listener just doesn`t want or can`t make the connection..it will not work.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:39 am
by Michigan Girl
A review is the opinion of the reviewer, so we can agree and disagree all
day long ...but the facts cannot be disputed ... :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:00 am
by Ritchie
Michigan Girl wrote:A review is the opinion of the reviewer, so we can agree and disagree all
day long ...but the facts cannot be disputed ... :wink:


Yeah,That's a fact. 8) :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:06 am
by The Sushi Hunter
It is my opinion that how a review about Journey is written is based on who is writing it. If there were two writers sitting next to one another at the same Journey concert, one of the writers is someone who has been around to see Perry era shows and the other writer has only seen the Pineda era shows, each review on what they got out of the concert will be pretty different from one another. Even if the difference between the two writers is just the culture where each of the writers comes from, the two reviews would be different from one another.

So bottom line is it all really just depends on the individual themselves and not just what a review has to say. Like when a movie critic gives a film two thumbs up, not sure about anyone else on this site, but I never go to a movie based on the criteria that the critic offered in their review. But that's just me. I go out and experience it for myself and then make the determination if it's what I like or not.