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Journey are playing quite a few Asian dates in 2013, with a new show in Guam and returning to Manila to play at the new Mall of Asia Arena.

From Journey site:
December 28, 2012 - Journey performing Guam
Guam! Get ready for one of the most anticipated concerts of the year! On March 23, 2013 - Guam will play host to one of the most legendary and successful bands of all time as Journey performs in Guam for the very first time. In addition to being one of the most popular American rock bands of all time, Journey has made a huge impact all over the world. "Open Arms," "Who's Crying Now," "Any Way You Want It," "Don't Stop Believing," songs that to this day, are popular from New York to Japan.

Manila! Get ready for one of the most anticipated concerts of the year! On March 21, 2013-Manila will play host to one of the most legendary and successful bands of all time as Journey makes their long awaited return to the Philippines. In addition to being one of the most popular American rock bands of all time, Journey has made a huge impact all over the world. "Open Arms," "Who's Crying Now," "Any Way You Want It," "Don't Stop Believing," songs that to this day, are popular from New York to Manila.

Guam being a huge military base, I wonder if the band may be invided to go on base and play for the troops. Because I'm sure there will be lots of ranking personnel getting ready to retire who remember AP in the Philippines back in the 80's playing local clubs in and around Subic and Clark and would like to see him as a member of Journey. I'd bet AP has entertained close to as many troops as Bob Hope did. AP just wasn't famous when he did it and not during any USO's.

Journey learned their lesson, hence no 2/3 empty stadium this time. A 20k seat arena in Manila should be just perfect for them.

Don wrote:Journey learned their lesson, hence no 2/3 empty stadium this time. A 20k seat arena in Manila should be just perfect for them.

They shouldn't have put that fence up. There were another 40k that wanted to get in.

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:Journey learned their lesson, hence no 2/3 empty stadium this time. A 20k seat arena in Manila should be just perfect for them.

They shouldn't have put that fence up. There were another 40k that wanted to get in.

They should have let them in for free, then they wouldn't have had to edit out all those empty white patio chairs like they did on the DVD.

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:Journey learned their lesson, hence no 2/3 empty stadium this time. A 20k seat arena in Manila should be just perfect for them.

They shouldn't have put that fence up. There were another 40k that wanted to get in.

They should have let them in for free, then they wouldn't have had to edit out all those empty white patio chairs like they did on the DVD.

Empty chairs were a sign of a lack of affordability for the average citizen....but, there have been plenty of shows put on by foreign acts that have sold many more seats. Has the economy improved lately?

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:Journey learned their lesson, hence no 2/3 empty stadium this time. A 20k seat arena in Manila should be just perfect for them.

They shouldn't have put that fence up. There were another 40k that wanted to get in.

They should have let them in for free, then they wouldn't have had to edit out all those empty white patio chairs like they did on the DVD.

Empty chairs were a sign of a lack of affordability for the average citizen....but, there have been plenty of shows put on by foreign acts that have sold many more seats. Has the economy improved lately?

The ticket prices were on Journey, they may have over estimated how much people would pay to see Arnel, someone who at that point was still an unknown in the Philippine music industry. Rihanna and other American artists have sold out over there but they price their tickets accordingly.

There is a lot of construction going on but most of it from out of country investors. For 2012, the BBC showed the average wage at $279 a month (only Pakistan and Tajikistan placed lower on this particular list).

http://everythinginbudget.blogspot.com/ ... pines.html

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:Journey learned their lesson, hence no 2/3 empty stadium this time. A 20k seat arena in Manila should be just perfect for them.

They shouldn't have put that fence up. There were another 40k that wanted to get in.

They should have let them in for free, then they wouldn't have had to edit out all those empty white patio chairs like they did on the DVD.

Empty chairs were a sign of a lack of affordability for the average citizen....but, there have been plenty of shows put on by foreign acts that have sold many more seats. Has the economy improved lately?

The ticket prices were on Journey, they may have over estimated how much people would pay to see Arnel, someone who at that point was still an unknown in the Philippine music industry. Rihanna and other American artists have sold out over there but they price their tickets accordingly.

There is a lot of construction going on but most of it from out of country investors. For 2012, the BBC showed the average wage at $279 a month (only Pakistan and Tajikistan placed lower on this particular list).

http://everythinginbudget.blogspot.com/ ... pines.html

Interesting. I think of Japan and other places that have islands and have great economies, greatly removed from the US, and it makes me wonder why the Philippines can't do better. They have people and they have education, as well as natural resources. Maybe it's been their government. Perhaps they need a major Auto company to come over and build some factories.

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:Journey learned their lesson, hence no 2/3 empty stadium this time. A 20k seat arena in Manila should be just perfect for them.

They shouldn't have put that fence up. There were another 40k that wanted to get in.

They should have let them in for free, then they wouldn't have had to edit out all those empty white patio chairs like they did on the DVD.

Empty chairs were a sign of a lack of affordability for the average citizen....but, there have been plenty of shows put on by foreign acts that have sold many more seats. Has the economy improved lately?

The ticket prices were on Journey, they may have over estimated how much people would pay to see Arnel, someone who at that point was still an unknown in the Philippine music industry. Rihanna and other American artists have sold out over there but they price their tickets accordingly.

There is a lot of construction going on but most of it from out of country investors. For 2012, the BBC showed the average wage at $279 a month (only Pakistan and Tajikistan placed lower on this particular list).

http://everythinginbudget.blogspot.com/ ... pines.html

Interesting. I think of Japan and other places that have islands and have great economies, greatly removed from the US, and it makes me wonder why the Philippines can't do better. They have people and they have education, as well as natural resources. Maybe it's been their government. Perhaps they need a major Auto company to come over and build some factories.

The Philippines had the second fastest growing economy in Asia in 1965. Then Marcos came to power. It's been the same old routine with every leader since. Between cronyism, general corruption and the overwhelming political influence of the Catholic Church the country just can't get on its feet.

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:Journey learned their lesson, hence no 2/3 empty stadium this time. A 20k seat arena in Manila should be just perfect for them.

They shouldn't have put that fence up. There were another 40k that wanted to get in.

They should have let them in for free, then they wouldn't have had to edit out all those empty white patio chairs like they did on the DVD.

Empty chairs were a sign of a lack of affordability for the average citizen....but, there have been plenty of shows put on by foreign acts that have sold many more seats. Has the economy improved lately?

The ticket prices were on Journey, they may have over estimated how much people would pay to see Arnel, someone who at that point was still an unknown in the Philippine music industry. Rihanna and other American artists have sold out over there but they price their tickets accordingly.

There is a lot of construction going on but most of it from out of country investors. For 2012, the BBC showed the average wage at $279 a month (only Pakistan and Tajikistan placed lower on this particular list).

http://everythinginbudget.blogspot.com/ ... pines.html

Interesting. I think of Japan and other places that have islands and have great economies, greatly removed from the US, and it makes me wonder why the Philippines can't do better. They have people and they have education, as well as natural resources. Maybe it's been their government. Perhaps they need a major Auto company to come over and build some factories.

The Philippines had the second fastest growing economy in Asia in 1965. Then Marcos came to power. It's been the same old routine with every leader since. Between cronyism, general corruption and the overwhelming political influence of the Catholic Church the country just can't get on its feet.

Maybe they need a guy from Kenya with a Hawiian birth certificate.

Korea is the big economy in Asia now. Where as in the late 80s and 90s you had the Japanese flocking to the Philippines to play golf and what not, now it's the Koreans sending their kids to schools in Baguio to learn English. The thousands of Filipinas that would head for work in Japan are now in Korea instead as Japan has closed those doors as they struggle with their own economic turmoil.

Don wrote:Korea is the big economy in Asia now. Where as in the late 80s and 90s you had the Japanese flocking to the Philippines to play golf and what not, now it's the Koreans sending their kids to schools in Baguio to learn English. The thousands of Filipinas that would head for work in Japan are now in Korea instead as Japan has closed those doors as they struggle with their own economic turmoil.

All joking aside, the Philippines is a missed opportunity, rich in people.... great people. I really hope that someday, someone, who can make a difference can set things right. I think there are enough educated young people there now that there is hope.

steveo777 wrote:Maybe they need a guy from Kenya with a Hawiian birth certificate.

Lol.

Three things come to mind when talking about the economy in the Philippines. Climate, culture and political structure. All three of those are what influences the economy in the Philippines. It's hot as hell most of the time so if you don't have a/c your body just wants to shut down after so long and take a rest/nap. Culturally, it's been very laxed. Politically is probably the biggest influence. Most of the politicans are corrupt over there. So many run their little town into the ground by receiving government funding for roads and such, but funnel it into their own family's pocket. To keep it going, they set up structure to allow it to continue. And alot of the government funding originates from America.

Now back to the original issue with ticket sales, I don't know what they were selling tickets for at the show, but that would have been a huge risk and gamble to put on a concert in the Philippines and charge high prices for the tickets. Most of the rich and shameless over there would have perhaps bought into it, but not your average Joe. Maybe they should have put on two shows, one for the rich masses and then one for the poor masses. There isn't much of a middle class over there and if there is, they're on their way to America to stay with relatives already established over here.

Don wrote:Korea is the big economy in Asia now. Where as in the late 80s and 90s you had the Japanese flocking to the Philippines to play golf and what not, now it's the Koreans sending their kids to schools in Baguio to learn English. The thousands of Filipinas that would head for work in Japan are now in Korea instead as Japan has closed those doors as they struggle with their own economic turmoil.

Really? Late 80's the Japanese were flocking to Thailand to watch, video tape and take pictures of the crazy American military throwing the bone on any chick walking. I remember seeing bus loads of them passing by every few minutes while sitting in an open air tavern with buddies and their dolly do-rights. Camera's flashing! Only to see some of those pictures published a short time later in JN rag mags such as Focus. The JN's were more interested in playing golf in places like on base in Japan, Hawaii and of course America, as they had purchased Pebble Beach in the early 90's.

steveo777 wrote:Maybe they need a guy from Kenya with a Hawiian birth certificate.

I would not wish on that on anyone!

Apparently the Guam concert has now been cancelled: http://theguamguide.com/events/journey-concert

That's too bad. Probably has a lot to do with it being all the way over there and it's just on an island. Logistically it would have been pretty expensive and a lot of work just to bring all the equipment and everything over there just to play one show and then pack it up and leave, and being it's just an island, they would be traveling far just to do this one show and leave. Not like there is neighboring countries where they can proceed to in the general area to do other shows. They may have also realized that ticket sales wouldn't have covered their expenses, probably lose more than profit. Who knows.

Yeah, I wonder if it was due to low ticket sales.

I think it took me 20 minutes to drive across Guam, not exactly a big place. There was a Japanese soldier who managed to hide in the jungle there for 50 years but if no one is looking for you even the smallest place can seem huge.

Guam is not an island, it is a mere pebble in the ocean. A casual drive around the island lasts a paltry 3 hours. The locals will always refer to the “outsiders” as Howly/Howlie. Hawaii it is not, no tropical breeze.

jrny84 wrote:Yeah, I wonder if it was due to low ticket sales.

I would say that could have something to do with the decision not to do a show there. Plus like Don mentioned, it's a small place and not a huge turn out I'd suppose. I talk with people there regularily. They call in the early afternoon Pacific time, which must be anywhere from 5am to 6am their time. It can be challenging talking to someone seriously about their finances with roosters screaming in the background.

Journey's Manila concert set on March 21

Thu, 24 Jan, 2013 08:19 PM PST

MANILA, Philippines - Filipino singer Arnel Pineda announced that his American rock band "Journey" will be coming back to Manila this March for a one-night show at the SM Mall of Asia Arena.

tater1977 wrote:Journey's Manila concert set on March 21

Thu, 24 Jan, 2013 08:19 PM PST

MANILA, Philippines - Filipino singer Arnel Pineda announced that his American rock band "Journey" will be coming back to Manila this March for a one-night show at the SM Mall of Asia Arena.

Does the SM still stand for Shoe Mart? It did the last time I was living over there.

pretty big place...

slucero wrote:pretty big place...

That's a lot of sapatos.