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Not sure if this has been posted, but I thought it was cool to hear something different -- especially Neal on and acoustic just accompanying Arnel on the tune. It starts at about the 6:40 mark. Take it for what it is I guess.

http://youtu.be/UrdG5y9UHXc

sounds good.. although I'm definitely hearing a rasp in his voice.

Cool clip. Mike Reno is underrated. As for Arnel...sounds good, but the voice is dropping and the bloom is def. on the rose, sotospeak.
I'm not bashing the dude, you just can't sing this shit for a living. Not humanly possible.

I figure anything can be hit or miss performance-wise depending how much you want to look into it. I try to look at it as: my favorite band is still out there, they've put out some material with this line up, and Arnel's out there doing something that very few can do, let alone would be willing to attempt to do.

As far as Mike Reno, I have to say I was impressed hearing him in those clips too how good his range and timbre still sound.

A shame they wouldn't risk doing an abbreviated acoustic version of She's A Mystery or some other song that's not 25+ years old. It isn't like people are begging to hear Stay Awhile. Let the guy sing one of the songs he penned, it's not like he is going to have too many more chances.

Don wrote:A shame they wouldn't risk doing an abbreviated acoustic version of She's A Mystery or some other song that's not 25+ years old. It isn't like people are begging to hear Stay Awhile. Let the guy sing one of the songs he penned, it's not like he is going to have too many more chances.

Yeah, that would be cool and I agree. I just looked at it as something they hadn't played yet with this line up, but I know where you're coming from too.

PianoMan1986 wrote:

Don wrote:A shame they wouldn't risk doing an abbreviated acoustic version of She's A Mystery or some other song that's not 25+ years old. It isn't like people are begging to hear Stay Awhile. Let the guy sing one of the songs he penned, it's not like he is going to have too many more chances.

Yeah, that would be cool and I agree. I just looked at it as something they hadn't played yet with this line up, but I know where you're coming from too.

I just don't understand why they pull these songs out when they aren't hits that people have been clamoring for. Between Arrival Generation, Revelation and Eclipse they've got over 40 songs they could give a chance to. Anything is Possible was their last song to chart and they STILL haven't played it live.
Maybe because I saw them with Perry, I see it from a different perspective but how can they expect SP fans to move from that era when it's all the band will give you if you go and see them live? They're not even playing songs from ROR the last five shows. Just this little window of tunes from 78-83, from a band that's been around for 40 years.

I went to the Hollywood Bowl show hoping they would give AIP a chance as it was the end of the tour, and the song was in the A/C top 30 right then. They didn't play it and it broke the straw for me as far as paying to see them again. Four times with Perry, twice with Arnel. I'll just leave it at that and be glad for digital music catalogs.

Don wrote:

PianoMan1986 wrote:

Don wrote:A shame they wouldn't risk doing an abbreviated acoustic version of She's A Mystery or some other song that's not 25+ years old. It isn't like people are begging to hear Stay Awhile. Let the guy sing one of the songs he penned, it's not like he is going to have too many more chances.

Yeah, that would be cool and I agree. I just looked at it as something they hadn't played yet with this line up, but I know where you're coming from too.

I just don't understand why they pull these songs out when they aren't hits that people have been clamoring for. Between Arrival Generation, Revelation and Eclipse they've got over 40 songs they could give a chance to. Anything is Possible was their last song to chart and they STILL haven't played it live.
Maybe because I saw them with Perry, I see it from a different perspective but how can they expect SP fans to move from that era when it's all the band will give you if you go and see them live? They're not even playing songs from ROR the last five shows. Just this little window of tunes from 78-83, from a band that's been around for 40 years.

Too young to have been able to see Perry, but I've never understood it either considering the amount of other material there is to work with. Even within the past year, Arnel's made mention about wanting to revisit Arrival material. To me, for the sake of keeping things fresh for the band and fans, why not pull stuff from all over the catalog (or at least that post-Perry era)? I wish the gumption was there to not worry how people react in the crowd and just go out there and play, unless it's something that just doesn't translate well live.

PianoMan1986 wrote:

Don wrote:

PianoMan1986 wrote:

Don wrote:A shame they wouldn't risk doing an abbreviated acoustic version of She's A Mystery or some other song that's not 25+ years old. It isn't like people are begging to hear Stay Awhile. Let the guy sing one of the songs he penned, it's not like he is going to have too many more chances.

Yeah, that would be cool and I agree. I just looked at it as something they hadn't played yet with this line up, but I know where you're coming from too.

I just don't understand why they pull these songs out when they aren't hits that people have been clamoring for. Between Arrival Generation, Revelation and Eclipse they've got over 40 songs they could give a chance to. Anything is Possible was their last song to chart and they STILL haven't played it live.
Maybe because I saw them with Perry, I see it from a different perspective but how can they expect SP fans to move from that era when it's all the band will give you if you go and see them live? They're not even playing songs from ROR the last five shows. Just this little window of tunes from 78-83, from a band that's been around for 40 years.

Too young to have been able to see Perry, but I've never understood it either considering the amount of other material there is to work with. Even within the past year, Arnel's made mention about wanting to revisit Arrival material. To me, for the sake of keeping things fresh for the band and fans, why not pull stuff from all over the catalog (or at least that post-Perry era)? I wish the gumption was there to not worry how people react in the crowd and just go out there and play, unless it's something that just doesn't translate well live.

The thing is, most of the tickets are sold weeks before the shows, the setlist isn't that big of a deal anymore as far as dictating what type of crowd you are going to get. I have to think it just bruises these guys egos if the crowd isn't into it. The thing is there are a lot of bands out there that will play their new stuff anyway. I would hope Journey would be at that point where they share the spotlight with their new lineup creatively instead of simply basking in the applause for songs from an era that Arnel and Deen weren't even part of.

PianoMan1986 wrote:

Don wrote:

PianoMan1986 wrote:

Don wrote:A shame they wouldn't risk doing an abbreviated acoustic version of She's A Mystery or some other song that's not 25+ years old. It isn't like people are begging to hear Stay Awhile. Let the guy sing one of the songs he penned, it's not like he is going to have too many more chances.

Yeah, that would be cool and I agree. I just looked at it as something they hadn't played yet with this line up, but I know where you're coming from too.

I just don't understand why they pull these songs out when they aren't hits that people have been clamoring for. Between Arrival Generation, Revelation and Eclipse they've got over 40 songs they could give a chance to. Anything is Possible was their last song to chart and they STILL haven't played it live.
Maybe because I saw them with Perry, I see it from a different perspective but how can they expect SP fans to move from that era when it's all the band will give you if you go and see them live? They're not even playing songs from ROR the last five shows. Just this little window of tunes from 78-83, from a band that's been around for 40 years.

Too young to have been able to see Perry, but I've never understood it either considering the amount of other material there is to work with. Even within the past year, Arnel's made mention about wanting to revisit Arrival material. To me, for the sake of keeping things fresh for the band and fans, why not pull stuff from all over the catalog (or at least that post-Perry era)? I wish the gumption was there to not worry how people react in the crowd and just go out there and play, unless it's something that just doesn't translate well live.

I really don't know for sure who makes these decisions, but maybe it isn't even anyone in the band. Maybe the one afraid of their new music is Irving Azoff. Maybe there are some written agreements that say if Journey is to continue, they must play within a certain range of the catalog, perhaps peppering in a newer song once in awhile. Neal said re: Eclipse. We built these songs for some of the places we are about to play, or something along those lines. They played COH, Resonate, EOM, Tantra and COL, as far as I remember, then those fell off. They didn't ever attempt TWIMC, SAM, AIP or Someone, which are the better songs off the album for a typical audience that wants the Journey trademark sound.

That's what surprised me with Australia. No hits beyond the Glee version of DSB EVER in that place. A blank canvas to work with, an act after you that plays music more equivalent to Eclipse than Escape. Perfect setting for Eclipse music, right? Obviously I know nothing, though they did play Edge Of The Blade the other night which I mentioned should be included in their setlist over a week a go.

They'll play Eclipse material in Japan though, I guarantee it.

The thing is, most of the tickets are sold weeks before the shows, the setlist isn't that big of a deal anymore as far as dictating what type of crowd you are going to get. I have to think it just bruises these guys egos if the crowd isn't into it. The thing is there are a lot of bands out there that will play their new stuff anyway. I would hope Journey would be at that point where they share the spotlight with their new lineup creatively instead of simply basking in the applause for songs from an era that Arnel and Deen weren't even part of.

See, if tickets are sold weeks before the shows, the band and the venues shouldn't care what attendance is like -- they're getting paid to do (what I hope) something they love for a living. The bulk of the band are seasoned pros so they shouldn't care about bruised egos -- I realize that's a contradiction in wanting them to listen to what their die hard fans want to see and hear. We could only hope...

steveo777 wrote:I really don't know for sure who makes these decisions, but maybe it isn't even anyone in the band. Maybe the one afraid of their new music is Irving Azoff. Maybe there are some written agreements that say if Journey is to continue, they must play within a certain range of the catalog, perhaps peppering in a newer song once in awhile. Neal said re: Eclipse. We built these songs for some of the places we are about to play, or something along those lines. They played COH, Resonate, EOM, Tantra and COL, as far as I remember, then those fell off. They didn't ever attempt TWIMC, SAM, AIP or Someone, which are the better songs off the album for a typical audience that wants the Journey trademark sound.

Outside of COH, the bulk of the other Eclipse tunes were played in Europe (I want to say at least 6 tunes were played in Ireland).

PianoMan1986 wrote:

steveo777 wrote:I really don't know for sure who makes these decisions, but maybe it isn't even anyone in the band. Maybe the one afraid of their new music is Irving Azoff. Maybe there are some written agreements that say if Journey is to continue, they must play within a certain range of the catalog, perhaps peppering in a newer song once in awhile. Neal said re: Eclipse. We built these songs for some of the places we are about to play, or something along those lines. They played COH, Resonate, EOM, Tantra and COL, as far as I remember, then those fell off. They didn't ever attempt TWIMC, SAM, AIP or Someone, which are the better songs off the album for a typical audience that wants the Journey trademark sound.

Outside of COH, the bulk of the other Eclipse tunes were played in Europe (I want to say at least 6 tunes were played in Ireland).

City of Hope
Edge of the Moment
Resonate
Human Feel
Chain of Love
Tantra

Very husky sounding here. His timbre is much thicker sounding now. I'm guessing he could do Bryan Adams much better than Steve Perry now.

Man is this a tough room. Though there have been some clunker nights posted by some others recently, I thought he sounds pretty good here. Stay Awhile is beautiful done this way.

Only snippets of songs and maybe not the best sound quality listening on yt, but, man, that's painful to listen to.
This reminds me of some of the ROR boots... listening to a husky-voiced SP compared to the pristined singing voice from the Infinity-Escape tours.
Poor guy. Arnel sounds scratchy...even on OA...which he was always outstanding in singing.
How many more dates are they playing this year?
Neal's re-union with Santana couldn't come sooner. Give Arnel's voice a long break.

annie89509 wrote:Only snippets of songs and maybe not the best sound quality listening on yt, but, man, that's painful to listen to.
This reminds me of some of the ROR boots... listening to a husky-voiced SP compared to the pristined singing voice from the Infinity-Escape tours.
Poor guy. Arnel sounds scratchy...even on OA...which he was always outstanding in singing.
How many more dates are they playing this year?
Neal's re-union with Santana couldn't come sooner. Give Arnel's voice a long break.

Voice check:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... h7Rvnx7sy8

steveo777 wrote:

annie89509 wrote:Only snippets of songs and maybe not the best sound quality listening on yt, but, man, that's painful to listen to.
This reminds me of some of the ROR boots... listening to a husky-voiced SP compared to the pristined singing voice from the Infinity-Escape tours.
Poor guy. Arnel sounds scratchy...even on OA...which he was always outstanding in singing.
How many more dates are they playing this year?
Neal's re-union with Santana couldn't come sooner. Give Arnel's voice a long break.

Voice check:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... h7Rvnx7sy8

Wow...he sounds much better in this Australia show. No need to be alarmed, then.

Don wrote:They'll play Eclipse material in Japan though, I guarantee it.

Man, I blew that.
Not one song from Eclipse or Revelation while in Japan. The Japanese actually bought Eclipse too. It debuted at #19 over there.
Journey might as well put up the old Classic lineup posters next time they go on tour. Pinoy Perry and the J-Boyz.

PianoMan1986 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq3rtnVrEx8&feature=share&list=UUczf05AVdXqnJ1PAzsXLdJw

That's nice. The slower tempo gives Arnel's voice a rest too. I always like the TBF/Liberty acoustic set the band did with Auggie.

I never got to see Journey with Perry unfortunately, but after seeing Journey with Augeri and Pineda twice, I've heard pretty much what I've wanted to hear live in regards to the catalog. There's no reason for me to see them live again if they're not going to play any of the new stuff. I WOULD go back and see them live if Perry came back - just so I can say I got to see Perry live in concert, but other than that, I think I'm pretty much done seeing Journey in concert.

Yoda wrote:I never got to see Journey with Perry unfortunately, but after seeing Journey with Augeri and Pineda twice, I've heard pretty much what I've wanted to hear live in regards to the catalog. There's no reason for me to see them live again if they're not going to play any of the new stuff. I WOULD go back and see them live if Perry came back - just so I can say I got to see Perry live in concert, but other than that, I think I'm pretty much done seeing Journey in concert.

I saw Perry live on the FTLOSM tour and it wasn't pretty. I cringe at what he might sound like now but I don't think we'll be hearing from Journey with Steve anytime soon.

steveo777 wrote:

Yoda wrote:I never got to see Journey with Perry unfortunately, but after seeing Journey with Augeri and Pineda twice, I've heard pretty much what I've wanted to hear live in regards to the catalog. There's no reason for me to see them live again if they're not going to play any of the new stuff. I WOULD go back and see them live if Perry came back - just so I can say I got to see Perry live in concert, but other than that, I think I'm pretty much done seeing Journey in concert.

I saw Perry live on the FTLOSM tour and it wasn't pretty. I cringe at what he might sound like now but I don't think we'll be hearing from Journey with Steve anytime soon.

There are multiple boots from that tour showing him in excellent voice. Obviously he didn't start the tour sounding bad. Word is he got sick on tour (bronchitis I think?) and it affected his voice. You probably saw him during that time, just before he cut the tour short.

Bottom line is, we will NEVER be seeing Perry returning to Journey for any reason. He's done with them.

There is something just not "right" about this band anymore...it's become a parody of its former GREAT self. Without SP, it just sounds and feels "cheap".

Time to call it a day...

Really.

steveo777 wrote:

Yoda wrote:I never got to see Journey with Perry unfortunately, but after seeing Journey with Augeri and Pineda twice, I've heard pretty much what I've wanted to hear live in regards to the catalog. There's no reason for me to see them live again if they're not going to play any of the new stuff. I WOULD go back and see them live if Perry came back - just so I can say I got to see Perry live in concert, but other than that, I think I'm pretty much done seeing Journey in concert.

I saw Perry live on the FTLOSM tour and it wasn't pretty. I cringe at what he might sound like now but I don't think we'll be hearing from Journey with Steve anytime soon.

What you are the new Perry basher of the forum?....such a great title to hold

portland wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Yoda wrote:I never got to see Journey with Perry unfortunately, but after seeing Journey with Augeri and Pineda twice, I've heard pretty much what I've wanted to hear live in regards to the catalog. There's no reason for me to see them live again if they're not going to play any of the new stuff. I WOULD go back and see them live if Perry came back - just so I can say I got to see Perry live in concert, but other than that, I think I'm pretty much done seeing Journey in concert.

I saw Perry live on the FTLOSM tour and it wasn't pretty. I cringe at what he might sound like now but I don't think we'll be hearing from Journey with Steve anytime soon.

What you are the new Perry basher of the forum?....such a great title to hold

Not at all. I'm a fan of much of his work. I wasn't impressed with what I heard on that tour and it was clear the voice was not what it used to be. Telling the truth is not being a basher.

It sounds like it's a half step down. Has anyone checked?

steveo777 wrote:

annie89509 wrote:Only snippets of songs and maybe not the best sound quality listening on yt, but, man, that's painful to listen to.
This reminds me of some of the ROR boots... listening to a husky-voiced SP compared to the pristined singing voice from the Infinity-Escape tours.
Poor guy. Arnel sounds scratchy...even on OA...which he was always outstanding in singing.
How many more dates are they playing this year?
Neal's re-union with Santana couldn't come sooner. Give Arnel's voice a long break.

Voice check:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... h7Rvnx7sy8

steveo777 wrote:

Yoda wrote:I never got to see Journey with Perry unfortunately, but after seeing Journey with Augeri and Pineda twice, I've heard pretty much what I've wanted to hear live in regards to the catalog. There's no reason for me to see them live again if they're not going to play any of the new stuff. I WOULD go back and see them live if Perry came back - just so I can say I got to see Perry live in concert, but other than that, I think I'm pretty much done seeing Journey in concert.

I saw Perry live on the FTLOSM tour and it wasn't pretty. I cringe at what he might sound like now but I don't think we'll be hearing from Journey with Steve anytime soon.

I've listened to many boots from that tour where he sounded great. As what Storyteller said, Perry had gotten sick halfway through the tour. Anyway, simple point being, I would go back to see Journey live if Steve Perry returned, but that's purely a hypothetical situation and one I don't ever expect to happen.