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The_Noble_Cause wrote:Just watched it. Quick thoughts....
As others have noted, the film's flabby narrative needed an editor. Alot of cool stuff for die-hards, but it needed to be streamlined.
Lot of great behind-the-scene backstage repartee. The hotel songwriting session for "City of Hope" is a treat. I love Cain and Schon patting themselves on the back for the most insipid cliche lyrics ("...across oceans of blue, a place where a dream can come true"), as if they just cured polio. It's great.
Cain seems to take a vested stake in preserving Arnel's vocal health, and speaks about the risks of singing the dozen, as if it's life or death.
Cool albeit brief nod to Augeri's tenure.
Learning that Arnel's wife is named "Cherry" and yet, despite all the covers The Zoo band performed, they never did Steve Perry's "Oh Sherry." You would think it would be a natural.
I was also concerned to hear about the inconsistency in Arnel's performances. Cain said when Arnel auditioned he wasn't that great. Then, the next day, he came in and kicked ass. Arnel in the interview at one mentions that he's tired of being on steroids and wants to be healthy. I'm pretty sure vocal steroids where the downfall of Perry and Augeri. I don't want to read too much into things. Hopefully, he's on steroids for something else.
Eric wrote:I'm in the credits!
steveo777 wrote:Rick wrote:Eric wrote:I'm in the credits!
Cool! What did you do to get in there?
Rip Rokken is in the live concert footage in Manila. Saw him really well at one point.
Saw his ugly ass too many times. LOL![]()
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I'm actually in the film! Well, part of me is. Toward the end during the M&G at the Phoenix show right after the lady is talking about the mural she was having signed and the hand-drawn pictures with all the Filipino women discussing them. Immediately after that part you see Arnel standing outside (yeah, the M&G was real classy that night... standing outside behind the stage area next to the buses...Eric wrote:I'm in the credits!
Agreed! Rip's a very pretty man!!Rick wrote::lol:![]()
Rip's not ugly. My wife said he's a nice looking man. Loved his pony tail.
Rick wrote:Eric wrote:I'm in the credits!
Cool! What did you do to get in there?
Rip Rokken is in the live concert footage in Manila. Saw him really well at one point.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:One moment in the film that is sad....before a show, Neal tells the bandmates that he has heard from Irving (presumably Azoff) and that Irving said that the band is back. Neal is all impressed and proud and then comments that this is very important. Uh, is it? Azoff may have some sort of weird stranglehold and sway over the industry, bu truthfully, he is about as relevant as Clive Davis. These old kingmakers and titans of the music biz are very much a thing of the past. In general, I was not impressed by Journey's management in the documentary at all.
Very well put, Gid. He definitely came off to me as wanting Arnel to be a puppet. And I think he may have even realized that at some point - maybe an early screening of the dailies - and decided he needed to soften that image of himself so he then added the part in which he talks about Arnel now being a full member of Journey and him getting 1/5 of the profits, yada, yada. I'm speculating of course but I can see that happening.Gideon wrote: Baruck's restraint of Arnel is fine in theory, but it sounds like he was trying to preclude any glimmer of originality.
JRNYMAN wrote:Very well put, Gid. He definitely came off to me as wanting Arnel to be a puppet. And I think he may have even realized that at some point - maybe an early screening of the dailies - and decided he needed to soften that image of himself so he then added the part in which he talks about Arnel now being a full member of Journey and him getting 1/5 of the profits, yada, yada. I'm speculating of course but I can see that happening.Gideon wrote: Baruck's restraint of Arnel is fine in theory, but it sounds like he was trying to preclude any glimmer of originality.
My favorite part of the Vina del Mar show was watching the reactions of the rest of the band as they watched him transform into Ricochet Rabbit!Gideon wrote:JRNYMAN wrote:Very well put, Gid. He definitely came off to me as wanting Arnel to be a puppet. And I think he may have even realized that at some point - maybe an early screening of the dailies - and decided he needed to soften that image of himself so he then added the part in which he talks about Arnel now being a full member of Journey and him getting 1/5 of the profits, yada, yada. I'm speculating of course but I can see that happening.Gideon wrote: Baruck's restraint of Arnel is fine in theory, but it sounds like he was trying to preclude any glimmer of originality.
Yup.
No doubt that Arnel needs continuous coaching and mentoring with technique (I think he said his lessons with Jon constituted the first of this he'd ever received in 40 years) and Baruck's criticism was legitimate: he needs to focus less on running around and more on singing. But his athletic approach is energizing to plenty of folks. With Ross, Jon, and even Neal often evincing lethargy, Arnel's "Bruce Lee/David Lee Roth" approach is fine.
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