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Not everyone agress with your assesment of future recording

Andrew wrote:Not everyone agress with your assesment of future recording

Please DO elaborate!

Mac, you tease. WTF? Please tell us Neal has come to his senses, want to do Escape 2, and will record a great melodicrock record that is not a pandering, noodling POS. A one in a million singer would be a plus too. Get God back and lets rock!

Andrew wrote:Not everyone agress with your assesment of future recording

Good... good...

I can't imagine it being an especially good album unless Cain is willing to participate in the writing process.

One thing it won't be is another Eclipse. Of course, from a retail standpoint the damage has already been done. If the band wants to release something for themselves again I can applaud that BUT they better not bitch when it doesn't sell or complain that the fans aren't giving them a fair shake.
And it's pretty much a given that any new songs will be one and done in a live setting. They seem to have resigned themselves to going backwards with their setlist, not forward.

Still looking forward to Santana IV more than anything else.

Don wrote:One thing it won't be is another Eclipse. Of course, from a retail standpoint the damage has already been done. If the band wants to release something for themselves again I can applaud that BUT they better not bitch when it doesn't sell or complain that the fans aren't giving them a fair shake.
And it's pretty much a given that any new songs will be one and done in a live setting. They seem to have resigned themselves to going backwards with their setlist, not forward.

Still looking forward to Santana IV more than anything else.

I've been looking around and I'm still not convinced that this is much more than a rumor or a convo in a couple guy's living rooms. I wanna see the rubber hit the road!

As for Cain, you can bet he's writing, but not for Journey's genre. Yes, there will be recording.

steveo777 wrote:

Don wrote:One thing it won't be is another Eclipse. Of course, from a retail standpoint the damage has already been done. If the band wants to release something for themselves again I can applaud that BUT they better not bitch when it doesn't sell or complain that the fans aren't giving them a fair shake.
And it's pretty much a given that any new songs will be one and done in a live setting. They seem to have resigned themselves to going backwards with their setlist, not forward.

Still looking forward to Santana IV more than anything else.

I've been looking around and I'm still not convinced that this is much more than a rumor or a convo in a couple guy's living rooms. I wanna see the rubber hit the road!

As for Cain, you can bet he's writing, but not for Journey's genre. Yes, there will be recording.

I can see Jon slipping into a Nashville mode. If they do the sandwich shows this summer with Rascal Flatts it would seem all the more likely.
(Sandwich shows meaning Country opener, Journey in the middle, Country closer)

Sounds like someone spoke to Neal. Glad to hear it. Remember, after Arrival, Cain threw in the towel and said the band would do no more albums.
Revelation was only scheduled to be the re-records and an EP of new material. Eclipse was also originally an EP. Only Neal has pushed this band forward creatively.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Sounds like someone spoke to Neal. Glad to hear it. Remember, after Arrival, Cain threw in the towel and said the band would do no more albums.
Revelation was only scheduled to be the re-records and an EP of new material. Eclipse was also originally an EP. Only Neal has pushed this band forward creatively.

Given the quality of the recent material.. I'd have to agree with that 100%.

As they're on the road again, none of this means much anyway. I will say though that they really need someone with a bit of sense to explain to them how to sell and promote a product on iTunes.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Sounds like someone spoke to Neal. Glad to hear it. Remember, after Arrival, Cain threw in the towel and said the band would do no more albums.
Revelation was only scheduled to be the re-records and an EP of new material. Eclipse was also originally an EP. Only Neal has pushed this band forward creatively.

I did. See the frontpage.

That either means Schon will let Cain drive the bus for a "classic" sound or that Cain will be replaced.

Either way I'm good......and relieved that Journey still wants to create new music.

I hope Eclipse isn't Journey's last album. Make one more classic sounding album and just sell it off of the website.

slucero wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Sounds like someone spoke to Neal. Glad to hear it. Remember, after Arrival, Cain threw in the towel and said the band would do no more albums.
Revelation was only scheduled to be the re-records and an EP of new material. Eclipse was also originally an EP. Only Neal has pushed this band forward creatively.

Given the quality of the recent material.. I'd have to agree with that 100%.

Sucks to be you then. I'm glad Revelation is a full album. Not even going to rehash your tired thoughts on Eclipse. You obviously exist in an 80's time warp. Not every song is going to be Separate Ways part 2.

Andrew wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Sounds like someone spoke to Neal. Glad to hear it. Remember, after Arrival, Cain threw in the towel and said the band would do no more albums.
Revelation was only scheduled to be the re-records and an EP of new material. Eclipse was also originally an EP. Only Neal has pushed this band forward creatively.

I did. See the frontpage.

Awesome. Hope Budokan becomes a live cd.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

slucero wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Sounds like someone spoke to Neal. Glad to hear it. Remember, after Arrival, Cain threw in the towel and said the band would do no more albums.
Revelation was only scheduled to be the re-records and an EP of new material. Eclipse was also originally an EP. Only Neal has pushed this band forward creatively.

Given the quality of the recent material.. I'd have to agree with that 100%.

Sucks to be you then. I'm glad Revelation is a full album. Not even going to rehash your tired thoughts on Eclipse. You obviously exist in an 80's time warp. Not every song is going to be Separate Ways part 2.

Although I appreciate the Escape/Frontiers/ROR/TBF era, and the subsequent stuff... I'm more a Departure/Evolution/Infinity aficionado.. mostly because IMO the quality of the arranging and songwriting of the new stuff just plain sucks..

Cain probably made his "No more albums" comment after Arrival because he realized the the writing dynamic had changed, and it would likely never result in what he considered (or fans would accept) as Journey quality material (which it hasn't).





and since I agree with you 100% on the post, it must also suck to be you..

Like Arnel & Neal, I'm hoping they put out one more album of original material before they throw in the towel. Eclipse was great, but I hope the next one gets Jon's attention. Seek out some other influences, team up for a collaboration with Flatts that will put you back on the radio, but don't abandon the rock entirely.

I think Andrew caught Neal while he was still on a high from the Tokyo show. Schon probably had that "Anything is possible" world beaters mentality going on.
I don't think this is like the other times when Jon talked about not recording full length albums anymore. They've already found the success they were trying to obtain since the Perry era, maybe he's thinking, after reaching such a high with Revelation why throw good money after bad two times in a row?

The perception seems to be that Sony screwed them over with Arrival so I can see why he was upset back then, but Eclipse's shortcoming at retail were all on the band. No one else to blame this time around.

Journey's made music since Generations??

Don wrote:I think Andrew caught Neal while he was still on a high from the Tokyo show. Schon probably had that "Anything is possible" world beaters mentality going on.
I don't think this is like the other times when Jon talked about not recording full length albums anymore. They've already found the success they were trying to obtain since the Perry era, maybe he's thinking, after reaching such a high with Revelation why throw good money after bad two times in a row?

The perception seems to be that Sony screwed them over with Arrival so I can see why he was upset back then, but Eclipse's shortcoming at retail were all on the band. No one else to blame this time around.

Eclipse sold 100,000 copies. A lot of bands won't ever sell that many in their entire career.

Archetype wrote:

Don wrote:I think Andrew caught Neal while he was still on a high from the Tokyo show. Schon probably had that "Anything is possible" world beaters mentality going on.
I don't think this is like the other times when Jon talked about not recording full length albums anymore. They've already found the success they were trying to obtain since the Perry era, maybe he's thinking, after reaching such a high with Revelation why throw good money after bad two times in a row?

The perception seems to be that Sony screwed them over with Arrival so I can see why he was upset back then, but Eclipse's shortcoming at retail were all on the band. No one else to blame this time around.

Eclipse sold 100,000 copies. A lot of bands won't ever sell that many in their entire career.

Do the math..

100,000 x $10 bucks per CD = $1,000,000

after expenses & taxes I'd bet they pocket about $50k each...

That's not gonna pay much alimony....


They make money touring the classics... new music is a money loser for them..

Archetype wrote:

Don wrote:I think Andrew caught Neal while he was still on a high from the Tokyo show. Schon probably had that "Anything is possible" world beaters mentality going on.
I don't think this is like the other times when Jon talked about not recording full length albums anymore. They've already found the success they were trying to obtain since the Perry era, maybe he's thinking, after reaching such a high with Revelation why throw good money after bad two times in a row?

The perception seems to be that Sony screwed them over with Arrival so I can see why he was upset back then, but Eclipse's shortcoming at retail were all on the band. No one else to blame this time around.

Eclipse sold 100,000 copies. A lot of bands won't ever sell that many in their entire career.

The problem is, the album before that sold 880,000 copies and Journey became even MORE popular after Revelation's release. In 2010, DSB was in the top 100 iTunes charts in over a dozen different countries. With all that going on, the LAST thing you are expecting is for your next release to see an 88% drop in sales. I don't care who you are. Short of doing a Rap or Country and Western Album, there is NO way Journey expected that to happen. Hell, even I didn't see that coming and I'm about as pessimistic with new Journey as you can get.

Andrew wrote:Not everyone agress with your assesment of future recording

What year are we in people? If Neal had his way, Journey would have died in 1976 without SP and without JC. If Neal thinks in this day and age he can keep Journey afloat without hits, God bless him. But I want what he's smokin'.

slucero wrote:Cain probably made his "No more albums" comment after Arrival because he realized the the writing dynamic had changed, and it would likely never result in what he considered (or fans would accept) as Journey quality material (which it hasn't).

Cain made that comment in reference to Arrival's low sales numbers. Much the same way he has now expressed similar thoughts regarding Eclipse's low numbers. There is no "probably" about anything. Go read the interview(s). Way to twist things around to vindicate your own agenda. Next you'll be telling me that Cain never wanted to fracture the stone.

FamilyMan wrote: If Neal thinks in this day and age he can keep Journey afloat without hits, God bless him. But I want what he's smokin'.

The band hasn't had a bonafide hit since TBF, and they have done fairly well.

Andrew wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Sounds like someone spoke to Neal. Glad to hear it. Remember, after Arrival, Cain threw in the towel and said the band would do no more albums.
Revelation was only scheduled to be the re-records and an EP of new material. Eclipse was also originally an EP. Only Neal has pushed this band forward creatively.

I did. See the frontpage.

Did you get to any of the Oz shows?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

slucero wrote:Cain probably made his "No more albums" comment after Arrival because he realized the the writing dynamic had changed, and it would likely never result in what he considered (or fans would accept) as Journey quality material (which it hasn't).

Cain made that comment in reference to Arrival's low sales numbers. Much the same way he has now expressed similar thoughts regarding Eclipse's low numbers. There is no "probably" about anything. Go read the interview(s). Way to twist things around to vindicate your own agenda. Next you'll be telling me that Cain never wanted to fracture the stone.

I said "probably"... meaning not definitely... I stand corrected.

Next you'll be telling me what my agenda is... pull your head outta your ass, and Cains cock outta your mouth..

slucero wrote:Next you'll be telling me what my agenda is... pull your head outta your ass, and Cains cock outta your mouth..

Your agenda is one of being "anti-new Journey music." That is all. Not only do you never pass up an opportunity to shit on Eclipse, now you're claiming to have insight into Cain's motives. The fact of the matter is, if Cain was so worried about ruining the writing dynamic or upsetting the apple cart (as you claim), he would never have reformed the band in the first place. Duh. You are as adept as discussing the band as you are politics. Go back to being Monker's felch-gargling bitch on the main forum.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

slucero wrote:Next you'll be telling me what my agenda is... pull your head outta your ass, and Cains cock outta your mouth..

Your agenda is one of being "anti-new Journey music." That is all. Not only do you never pass up an opportunity to shit on Eclipse, now you're claiming to have insight into Cain's motives. The fact of the matter is, if Cain was so worried about ruining the writing dynamic or upsetting the apple cart (as you claim), he would never have reformed the band in the first place. Duh. You are as adept as discussing the band as you are politics. Go back to being Monker's felch-gargling bitch on the main forum.

You vilify me for insight into Cains motives yet you do the same...

if Cain was so worried about ruining the writing dynamic or upsetting the apple cart, he would never have reformed the band in the first place.

you simply don't know that.. yet claim it as credible.. LMAO



By any measure, Eclipse was total fucking FAILURE.. 100,000 sold means about 10 Eclipse fans per show.. that you can't accept the fact that they are now on DD autopilot can only stem from you being fixated on the scent of Cains nuts as they hang over your eyes..


relax... breath deeply... dude yer gonna stroke out.. Journey will be done soon enough and you can go back to licking your Eclipse CD.