MR

Picture yourself going to work every day. You have a great job, you're well paid, you're living your dream. Your family is living large, and gotten used to the lifestyle. You can see yourself doing it for the rest of your life.

But....


You get up every morning knowing that there's one man walking the face of the earth who could end it all for you that day. You're constantly wondering: "Is this the day HE makes that one phone call and ends it all for me?"

This is what Arnel Pineda carries with him all the time. That one phone call from Perry to Neal or Jon ends his career. I think he handles it pretty well. Not sure I could.

AP is probably smart enough to know, that call is never going to come.

Onestepper wrote:AP is probably smart enough to know, that call is never going to come.

Even if Steve did call, no way would AP get dropped. Neal has to be smart enough to know that there is no way they would be alble to tour with Steve. Since Neal is not ready to retire, I would think he would politely pass.

All replacement players live with this. It is the job.

Only a few who are relatively safe. I think if Peter Cetera came back to Chicago they would probably keep Jason Scheff since Cetera hasn't touched a bass since he left 27 years ago.

steveo777 wrote:

Onestepper wrote:AP is probably smart enough to know, that call is never going to come.

Even if Steve did call, no way would AP get dropped. Neal has to be smart enough to know that there is no way they would be alble to tour with Steve. Since Neal is not ready to retire, I would think he would politely pass.

Given the history of the decisions Neal and John Baruck have become famous for, I have to disagree.

If that call came, there would be an immediate and abrupt change of plans. Perry's voice isn't able to endure a full blown tour and we know that. Then again, it doesn't have to. His reunion with the band would be so epic that, if handled and managed correctly, would bring in bazillions of $$ and having to do very little to earn it. They would most likely plan a limited engagement type of thing with stops in only the biggest cities in the US - say, 15 max, with one of them being streamed live on pay-per-view as well as being shot for DVD. They could space the performances out over 6-8 months allowing Perry's voice to recoup completely (how ever much that actually is...) between performances. Of course every song would be tuned way down and a few probably receiving special new acoustic arrangements at a slower tempo, and most likely 1 or 2 of those would feature just Perry and Schon center stage on stools, Perry holding a mic and Schon holding just an acoustic guitar (Patiently and Lights come instantly to mind.) These would be arena size venues with ticket prices being.... well, the sky's the limit if we're talking about this particular reunion. Obviously every show would be long sold out and it would be billed as Journey's farewell tour.
To be honest, I'd be very, very surprised if something like this wasn't already in the works. Can you think of a better way for Journey to turn the page on the last chapter of their career? I certainly can't.
As for Arnel.... he has said from the very beginning that if Perry ever decided he wanted to come back, he would happily step aside so Perry could retake his rightful spot at center stage. Maybe he's been saying that giving everyone a hint of what's to come. And as for how AP would handle it... quite frankly, I think he'd be relieved to be out from under the stress and pressure he endures constantly both physically and mentally. He'll have a flourishing career for many years after his time has ended with Journey.

That's just my opinion.... I could be wrong.

AP woul dbe cool with this....as he's always said. But at the same time, He can be very confident that isn't ever going to happen.

if I was Pineda I would worry more about losing my voice for a few months.
Neal would be back on Youtube in a heartbeat.

scarab wrote:if I was Pineda I would worry more about losing my voice for a few months.
Neal would be back on Youtube in a heartbeat.

This hasn't come close to happening, no matter how many here think it's coming "any day".
Probably from the same peeps who think Perry will rejoin the band at "any time".

Arnel has gotten sick. Jeezus, look around you. EVERYONE is sick these days. My office sounds like a friggin' Phlegm factory.
Arnel has done a lot of touring with Journey and he's doing fine. If he was going to fail, it would've been in his first year of touring with the band.
He knows how to pace himself, he knows how to take care of himself. People seem to forget, the dude basically sang in clubs night after night
since he was 15. He knows how to handle his voice. He also knows what to do when he's under the weather and how to pace himself.

If I was Arnel, I'd be more worried about waking up and finding out my voice was permanently thrashed.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:If I was Arnel, I'd be more worried about waking up and finding out my voice was permanently thrashed.

It wouldn't be the first time. Remember, he totally lost his voice at one point. He also lost it during the 2008 tour but Journey's doctors took care of him and got him back on track quickly.

I think the scarier issue is the acid reflex problem. That can happen anytime. Arnel said Journey lost a lot of money on those canceled shows last tour. Even making up the dates doesn't really get all the cash back.

brywool wrote:

scarab wrote:if I was Pineda I would worry more about losing my voice for a few months.
Neal would be back on Youtube in a heartbeat.

This hasn't come close to happening, no matter how many here think it's coming "any day".
Probably from the same peeps who think Perry will rejoin the band at "any time".

Arnel has gotten sick. Jeezus, look around you. EVERYONE is sick these days. My office sounds like a friggin' Phlegm factory.
Arnel has done a lot of touring with Journey and he's doing fine. If he was going to fail, it would've been in his first year of touring with the band.
He knows how to pace himself, he knows how to take care of himself. People seem to forget, the dude basically sang in clubs night after night
since he was 15. He knows how to handle his voice. He also knows what to do when he's under the weather and how to pace himself.

I know you sing and would agree that the singing voice is much more pliable and elastic at age 15 than at age 47

And we all agree that this catalog is a killer for singers..

IMHO What "killed" Perry and Augeri's voices wasn't the key.. it wasn't even how many times they had to sing those songs.. it was how often they had to sing the songs without rest in between.


IMHO touring is reason for both having to stop


Everyone knows that Perry's singing schedule with Journey was monstrous when compared to Augi's or Arnel's (which is even lighter than Augi's). What we''re forgetting is that Perry effectively stopped touring those songs with Journey in 1987, when he was "toast" at the age of 38, returning for TBF at the age of 46, only to leave again - never having to resume that touring schedule. Look at the ROR tour, Perry had only 60% of the dates from the previous tour.

Augeri's voice problem was obvious and allowed to continue when it shouldn't have been, regardless of circumstance. Given the age that Augi started at, that he lasted as long as he did (8 years wow) is pretty damn amazing...

• Perry joined Journey at age 28 and effectively stopped singing Journey at age 38, returned at 46 for TBF then never toured or sang with Journey again.
  
• Augeri joined Journey at age 39 and left Journey at age 47
  
• Arnel joined Journey at 40 years old and will be 47 this year

Journey history is a pretty clear indicator that anyone touring these songs past the age of 45, is "singing on borrowed time", and history is a pretty good indicator that Arnel is right in the age range where Journey singers have had problems with their voices and had to stop touring these songs.

slucero wrote:

brywool wrote:

scarab wrote:if I was Pineda I would worry more about losing my voice for a few months.
Neal would be back on Youtube in a heartbeat.

This hasn't come close to happening, no matter how many here think it's coming "any day".
Probably from the same peeps who think Perry will rejoin the band at "any time".

Arnel has gotten sick. Jeezus, look around you. EVERYONE is sick these days. My office sounds like a friggin' Phlegm factory.
Arnel has done a lot of touring with Journey and he's doing fine. If he was going to fail, it would've been in his first year of touring with the band.
He knows how to pace himself, he knows how to take care of himself. People seem to forget, the dude basically sang in clubs night after night
since he was 15. He knows how to handle his voice. He also knows what to do when he's under the weather and how to pace himself.

I know you sing and would agree that the singing voice is much more pliable and elastic at age 15 than at age 47

And we all agree that this catalog is a killer for singers..

IMHO What "killed" Perry and Augeri's voices wasn't the key.. it wasn't even how many times they had to sing those songs.. it was how often they had to sing the songs without rest in between.


IMHO touring is reason for both having to stop


Everyone knows that Perry's singing schedule with Journey was monstrous when compared to Augi's or Arnel's (which is even lighter than Augi's). What we''re forgetting is that Perry effectively stopped touring those songs with Journey in 1987, when he was "toast" at the age of 38, returning for TBF at the age of 46, only to leave again - never having to resume that touring schedule. Look at the ROR tour, Perry had only 60% of the dates from the previous tour.

Augeri's voice problem was obvious and allowed to continue when it shouldn't have been, regardless of circumstance. Given the age that Augi started at, that he lasted as long as he did (8 years wow) is pretty damn amazing...

• Perry joined Journey at age 28 and effectively stopped singing Journey at age 38, returned at 46 for TBF then never toured or sang with Journey again.
  
• Augeri joined Journey at age 39 and left Journey at age 47
  
• Arnel joined Journey at 40 years old and will be 47 this year

Journey history is a pretty clear indicator that anyone touring these songs past the age of 45, is "singing on borrowed time", and history is a pretty good indicator that Arnel is right in the age range where Journey singers have had problems with their voices and had to stop touring these songs.

We've all heard how Arnel was an iron horse, singing in clubs six nights a week, six hours a night. What isn't said though is that heavy workload and his life style made him lose his voice in and when he went back to singing after six months of recovery, his shows and performing hours slowly begin decreasing over the years. When Journey found him, he was no longer on quite the balls to the wall singing schedule he had maintained in his youth.

slucero wrote:

brywool wrote:

scarab wrote:if I was Pineda I would worry more about losing my voice for a few months.
Neal would be back on Youtube in a heartbeat.

This hasn't come close to happening, no matter how many here think it's coming "any day".
Probably from the same peeps who think Perry will rejoin the band at "any time".

Arnel has gotten sick. Jeezus, look around you. EVERYONE is sick these days. My office sounds like a friggin' Phlegm factory.
Arnel has done a lot of touring with Journey and he's doing fine. If he was going to fail, it would've been in his first year of touring with the band.
He knows how to pace himself, he knows how to take care of himself. People seem to forget, the dude basically sang in clubs night after night
since he was 15. He knows how to handle his voice. He also knows what to do when he's under the weather and how to pace himself.

I know you sing and would agree that the singing voice is much more pliable and elastic at age 15 than at age 47

And we all agree that this catalog is a killer for singers..

IMHO What "killed" Perry and Augeri's voices wasn't the key.. it wasn't even how many times they had to sing those songs.. it was how often they had to sing the songs without rest in between.


IMHO touring is reason for both having to stop


Everyone knows that Perry's singing schedule with Journey was monstrous when compared to Augi's or Arnel's (which is even lighter than Augi's). What we''re forgetting is that Perry effectively stopped touring those songs with Journey in 1987, when he was "toast" at the age of 38, returning for TBF at the age of 46, only to leave again - never having to resume that touring schedule. Look at the ROR tour, Perry had only 60% of the dates from the previous tour.

Augeri's voice problem was obvious and allowed to continue when it shouldn't have been, regardless of circumstance. Given the age that Augi started at, that he lasted as long as he did (8 years wow) is pretty damn amazing...

• Perry joined Journey at age 28 and effectively stopped singing Journey at age 38, returned at 46 for TBF then never toured or sang with Journey again.
  
• Augeri joined Journey at age 39 and left Journey at age 47
  
• Arnel joined Journey at 40 years old and will be 47 this year

Journey history is a pretty clear indicator that anyone touring these songs past the age of 45, is "singing on borrowed time", and history is a pretty good indicator that Arnel is right in the age range where Journey singers have had problems with their voices and had to stop touring these songs.

I agree that too many dates in a row is what nailed Perry. ALSO- remember, right after the hugely gruelling tour for Escape, they went right in and did Frontiers and then did another grueling tour. Right after that, he went in and did the Street Talk album. Right after it was Raised on Radio. By that time (actually by Frontiers) he was singing with a broken instrument and no longer to keep up the pace of say the Frontiers and Escape. Yup, now all the ladies will say "I prefer him with the smokey voice, blah blah blah". Not the point. He developed a rasp and a decreased range. That is indicative of vocal problems. Couple that with Firing the rhythm section, the stress that brought, hiring a new rhythm section, the stress that brought, fighting with Herbert, his mom dying, and producing ROR. The dude was under MAJOR stress. No wonder he left in Feb of 87. That stress has a lot to do with voice funkiness believe it or not.

In contrast- Arnel's tour dates are more spread out. More is known these days about keeping a voice in shape. I have a hunch that in Perry's day it was "oh, just give him steroids". Arnel's used them too, but I will bet SP used them more and they were different than what's there today. Also, Journey is lowering their songs on a lot of shows to help preserver Pineda's pipes.

With Augeri- sorry, but while I love the dude, he was never really up to the Journey catalog. He just didn't have a strong enough voice. Arnel's voice is stronger and I believe will last longer. He's already, what? 48? and he's still doing world tours. He does have reflux. Many singers do. There are things you can do about that and I'm sure he is doing that. His age will catch up to him most likely, but look at the dude. He's in supreme shape. Works out daily and does the right things as far as health on tour. I think he'll be fine. People get sick. Just because they get sick doesn't mean "they're done". It happens.

Peeps here have said he wouldn't last 6 months. He's proven people wrong including doctors in his youth that said he wouldn't sing again. I think he'll be fine, I'm sure there'll be bumps along the way, but that happens to any singer.

One thing I don't get- WHY does Journey tour in the winter? Dryer, crappier air, flu season, etc. Why not help the situation by touring in the summer? Summer's the best time to be singing.

brywool wrote:One thing I don't get- WHY does Journey tour in the winter? Dryer, crappier air, flu season, etc. Why not help the situation by touring in the summer? Summer's the best time to be singing.

Hard to say. If you have allergies, summer can be the worst time to tour. At an indoor arena, you can control some things, like humidity and temperature. When you are playing outside in the summer, you've got varying humidity depending on what part of the country you are in, varying temperatures, allergies (ie pollen), etc. Summer's not all it's cracked up to be.

kgdjpubs wrote:

brywool wrote:One thing I don't get- WHY does Journey tour in the winter? Dryer, crappier air, flu season, etc. Why not help the situation by touring in the summer? Summer's the best time to be singing.

Hard to say. If you have allergies, summer can be the worst time to tour. At an indoor arena, you can control some things, like humidity and temperature. When you are playing outside in the summer, you've got varying humidity depending on what part of the country you are in, varying temperatures, allergies (ie pollen), etc. Summer's not all it's cracked up to be.

Yep, I agree. Summer is a bad time for pollen and allergies where I live.

FREAKING BRILLIANT!

JRNYMAN wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Onestepper wrote:AP is probably smart enough to know, that call is never going to come.

Even if Steve did call, no way would AP get dropped. Neal has to be smart enough to know that there is no way they would be alble to tour with Steve. Since Neal is not ready to retire, I would think he would politely pass.

Given the history of the decisions Neal and John Baruck have become famous for, I have to disagree.

If that call came, there would be an immediate and abrupt change of plans. Perry's voice isn't able to endure a full blown tour and we know that. Then again, it doesn't have to. His reunion with the band would be so epic that, if handled and managed correctly, would bring in bazillions of $$ and having to do very little to earn it. They would most likely plan a limited engagement type of thing with stops in only the biggest cities in the US - say, 15 max, with one of them being streamed live on pay-per-view as well as being shot for DVD. They could space the performances out over 6-8 months allowing Perry's voice to recoup completely (how ever much that actually is...) between performances. Of course every song would be tuned way down and a few probably receiving special new acoustic arrangements at a slower tempo, and most likely 1 or 2 of those would feature just Perry and Schon center stage on stools, Perry holding a mic and Schon holding just an acoustic guitar (Patiently and Lights come instantly to mind.) These would be arena size venues with ticket prices being.... well, the sky's the limit if we're talking about this particular reunion. Obviously every show would be long sold out and it would be billed as Journey's farewell tour.
To be honest, I'd be very, very surprised if something like this wasn't already in the works. Can you think of a better way for Journey to turn the page on the last chapter of their career? I certainly can't.
As for Arnel.... he has said from the very beginning that if Perry ever decided he wanted to come back, he would happily step aside so Perry could retake his rightful spot at center stage. Maybe he's been saying that giving everyone a hint of what's to come. And as for how AP would handle it... quite frankly, I think he'd be relieved to be out from under the stress and pressure he endures constantly both physically and mentally. He'll have a flourishing career for many years after his time has ended with Journey.

That's just my opinion.... I could be wrong.

RSParker wrote:FREAKING BRILLIANT!

JRNYMAN wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Onestepper wrote:AP is probably smart enough to know, that call is never going to come.

Even if Steve did call, no way would AP get dropped. Neal has to be smart enough to know that there is no way they would be alble to tour with Steve. Since Neal is not ready to retire, I would think he would politely pass.

Given the history of the decisions Neal and John Baruck have become famous for, I have to disagree.

If that call came, there would be an immediate and abrupt change of plans. Perry's voice isn't able to endure a full blown tour and we know that. Then again, it doesn't have to. His reunion with the band would be so epic that, if handled and managed correctly, would bring in bazillions of $$ and having to do very little to earn it. They would most likely plan a limited engagement type of thing with stops in only the biggest cities in the US - say, 15 max, with one of them being streamed live on pay-per-view as well as being shot for DVD. They could space the performances out over 6-8 months allowing Perry's voice to recoup completely (how ever much that actually is...) between performances. Of course every song would be tuned way down and a few probably receiving special new acoustic arrangements at a slower tempo, and most likely 1 or 2 of those would feature just Perry and Schon center stage on stools, Perry holding a mic and Schon holding just an acoustic guitar (Patiently and Lights come instantly to mind.) These would be arena size venues with ticket prices being.... well, the sky's the limit if we're talking about this particular reunion. Obviously every show would be long sold out and it would be billed as Journey's farewell tour.
To be honest, I'd be very, very surprised if something like this wasn't already in the works. Can you think of a better way for Journey to turn the page on the last chapter of their career? I certainly can't.
As for Arnel.... he has said from the very beginning that if Perry ever decided he wanted to come back, he would happily step aside so Perry could retake his rightful spot at center stage. Maybe he's been saying that giving everyone a hint of what's to come. And as for how AP would handle it... quite frankly, I think he'd be relieved to be out from under the stress and pressure he endures constantly both physically and mentally. He'll have a flourishing career for many years after his time has ended with Journey.

That's just my opinion.... I could be wrong.

I don't agree with some of this. The bolded part especially. Where would this career be taking place? Here? I don't think so. In the Philippines? Even his own night club, which he made dozens of appearances as a performer floundered and is now waiting to be reopened again. Even the Manila gig couldn't sell out. And lets' not bring up the Easter holiday for that one. Demi Lovota's show four nights ago at the Araneta Coliseum destroys that argument.

Arnel will make a comfortable living probably but the myths about him being some type of mega superstar have to stop.
The whole reason his personal website was changed over was to try to get more people posting in the forums. Every year since 2010 (when Journey took the year off) Pineda's fan base has grown quieter and quieter. Without him able to take advantage of the downtime between tours to release a solo album or even a few Tagalog singles, the guys star has dimmed in his homeland quite a bit, like it or not. The Diaz documentary was the last round in the chamber. After a decent start in iTunes, after a week it's simply disappeared. There is simply nothing beyond singing thew dirty dozen that shows this guy in on upward spiral as far as recognition in his own country's entertainment industry or anywhere else.

All that said, it's not a problem Pineda has to worry about for the next three to four years. IMO, Perry ISN'T coming back for anything. Why should he? Money? It's still coming in from royalties and licensing. Recognition? Dude has done more interviews over the last five years than he did in the previous twenty years combined. Sony's back catalog of Journey music is moving half a million units a year, that's simply incredible.
As long as the Greatest hits keeps on selling and radio stations keep on playing those old songs, Perry can just say forget it. Why embarrass himself; let the legend live on.

Don wrote:

RSParker wrote:FREAKING BRILLIANT!

JRNYMAN wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

Onestepper wrote:AP is probably smart enough to know, that call is never going to come.

Even if Steve did call, no way would AP get dropped. Neal has to be smart enough to know that there is no way they would be alble to tour with Steve. Since Neal is not ready to retire, I would think he would politely pass.

Given the history of the decisions Neal and John Baruck have become famous for, I have to disagree.

If that call came, there would be an immediate and abrupt change of plans. Perry's voice isn't able to endure a full blown tour and we know that. Then again, it doesn't have to. His reunion with the band would be so epic that, if handled and managed correctly, would bring in bazillions of $$ and having to do very little to earn it. They would most likely plan a limited engagement type of thing with stops in only the biggest cities in the US - say, 15 max, with one of them being streamed live on pay-per-view as well as being shot for DVD. They could space the performances out over 6-8 months allowing Perry's voice to recoup completely (how ever much that actually is...) between performances. Of course every song would be tuned way down and a few probably receiving special new acoustic arrangements at a slower tempo, and most likely 1 or 2 of those would feature just Perry and Schon center stage on stools, Perry holding a mic and Schon holding just an acoustic guitar (Patiently and Lights come instantly to mind.) These would be arena size venues with ticket prices being.... well, the sky's the limit if we're talking about this particular reunion. Obviously every show would be long sold out and it would be billed as Journey's farewell tour.
To be honest, I'd be very, very surprised if something like this wasn't already in the works. Can you think of a better way for Journey to turn the page on the last chapter of their career? I certainly can't.
As for Arnel.... he has said from the very beginning that if Perry ever decided he wanted to come back, he would happily step aside so Perry could retake his rightful spot at center stage. Maybe he's been saying that giving everyone a hint of what's to come. And as for how AP would handle it... quite frankly, I think he'd be relieved to be out from under the stress and pressure he endures constantly both physically and mentally. He'll have a flourishing career for many years after his time has ended with Journey.

That's just my opinion.... I could be wrong.

I don't agree with some of this. The bolded part especially. Where would this career be taking place? Here? I don't think so. In the Philippines? Even his own night club, which he made dozens of appearances as a performer floundered and is now waiting to be reopened again. Even the Manila gig couldn't sell out. And lets' not bring up the Easter holiday for that one. Demi Lovota's show four nights ago at the Araneta Coliseum destroys that argument.

Arnel will make a comfortable living probably but the myths about him being some type of mega superstar have to stop.
The whole reason his personal website was changed over was to try to get more people posting in the forums. Every year since 2010 (when Journey took the year off) Pineda's fan base has grown quieter and quieter. Without him able to take advantage of the downtime between tours to release a solo album or even a few Tagalog singles, the guys star has dimmed in his homeland quite a bit, like it or not. The Diaz documentary was the last round in the chamber. After a decent start in iTunes, after a week it's simply disappeared. There is simply nothing beyond singing thew dirty dozen that shows this guy in on upward spiral as far as recognition in his own country's entertainment industry or anywhere else.

All that said, it's not a problem Pineda has to worry about for the next three to four years. IMO, Perry ISN'T coming back for anything. Why should he? Money? It's still coming in from royalties and licensing. Recognition? Dude has done more interviews over the last five years than he did in the previous twenty years combined. Sony's back catalog of Journey music is moving half a million units a year, that's simply incredible.
As long as the Greatest hits keeps on selling and radio stations keep on playing those old songs, Perry can just say forget it. Why embarrass himself; let the legend live on.

BING-fucking-GO

Seems Don has hit on something. The euphoria of having one of their own burst through, nationalistic pride and all that, has played itself out. Eclipse didn't sell...Manila show canceled...AP mocked by his own country's journalists...I guess the music scene is universal...people just like what they like. And, evidently, Filipinos are not that into Journey,

slucero wrote:

brywool wrote:

scarab wrote:if I was Pineda I would worry more about losing my voice for a few months.
Neal would be back on Youtube in a heartbeat.

This hasn't come close to happening, no matter how many here think it's coming "any day".
Probably from the same peeps who think Perry will rejoin the band at "any time".

Arnel has gotten sick. Jeezus, look around you. EVERYONE is sick these days. My office sounds like a friggin' Phlegm factory.
Arnel has done a lot of touring with Journey and he's doing fine. If he was going to fail, it would've been in his first year of touring with the band.
He knows how to pace himself, he knows how to take care of himself. People seem to forget, the dude basically sang in clubs night after night
since he was 15. He knows how to handle his voice. He also knows what to do when he's under the weather and how to pace himself.

I know you sing and would agree that the singing voice is much more pliable and elastic at age 15 than at age 47

And we all agree that this catalog is a killer for singers..

IMHO What "killed" Perry and Augeri's voices wasn't the key.. it wasn't even how many times they had to sing those songs.. it was how often they had to sing the songs without rest in between.


IMHO touring is reason for both having to stop


Everyone knows that Perry's singing schedule with Journey was monstrous when compared to Augi's or Arnel's (which is even lighter than Augi's). What we''re forgetting is that Perry effectively stopped touring those songs with Journey in 1987, when he was "toast" at the age of 38, returning for TBF at the age of 46, only to leave again - never having to resume that touring schedule. Look at the ROR tour, Perry had only 60% of the dates from the previous tour.

Augeri's voice problem was obvious and allowed to continue when it shouldn't have been, regardless of circumstance. Given the age that Augi started at, that he lasted as long as he did (8 years wow) is pretty damn amazing...

• Perry joined Journey at age 28 and effectively stopped singing Journey at age 38, returned at 46 for TBF then never toured or sang with Journey again.
  
• Augeri joined Journey at age 39 and left Journey at age 47
  
• Arnel joined Journey at 40 years old and will be 47 this year

Journey history is a pretty clear indicator that anyone touring these songs past the age of 45, is "singing on borrowed time", and history is a pretty good indicator that Arnel is right in the age range where Journey singers have had problems with their voices and had to stop touring these songs.

You're giving Augeri credit right there. He might have lasted 8 years, but his voice last for 5 years if he was lucky, then they turned to tapes.

jestor92 wrote:

slucero wrote:

brywool wrote:

scarab wrote:if I was Pineda I would worry more about losing my voice for a few months.
Neal would be back on Youtube in a heartbeat.

This hasn't come close to happening, no matter how many here think it's coming "any day".
Probably from the same peeps who think Perry will rejoin the band at "any time".

Arnel has gotten sick. Jeezus, look around you. EVERYONE is sick these days. My office sounds like a friggin' Phlegm factory.
Arnel has done a lot of touring with Journey and he's doing fine. If he was going to fail, it would've been in his first year of touring with the band.
He knows how to pace himself, he knows how to take care of himself. People seem to forget, the dude basically sang in clubs night after night
since he was 15. He knows how to handle his voice. He also knows what to do when he's under the weather and how to pace himself.

I know you sing and would agree that the singing voice is much more pliable and elastic at age 15 than at age 47

And we all agree that this catalog is a killer for singers..

IMHO What "killed" Perry and Augeri's voices wasn't the key.. it wasn't even how many times they had to sing those songs.. it was how often they had to sing the songs without rest in between.


IMHO touring is reason for both having to stop


Everyone knows that Perry's singing schedule with Journey was monstrous when compared to Augi's or Arnel's (which is even lighter than Augi's). What we''re forgetting is that Perry effectively stopped touring those songs with Journey in 1987, when he was "toast" at the age of 38, returning for TBF at the age of 46, only to leave again - never having to resume that touring schedule. Look at the ROR tour, Perry had only 60% of the dates from the previous tour.

Augeri's voice problem was obvious and allowed to continue when it shouldn't have been, regardless of circumstance. Given the age that Augi started at, that he lasted as long as he did (8 years wow) is pretty damn amazing...

• Perry joined Journey at age 28 and effectively stopped singing Journey at age 38, returned at 46 for TBF then never toured or sang with Journey again.
  
• Augeri joined Journey at age 39 and left Journey at age 47
  
• Arnel joined Journey at 40 years old and will be 47 this year

Journey history is a pretty clear indicator that anyone touring these songs past the age of 45, is "singing on borrowed time", and history is a pretty good indicator that Arnel is right in the age range where Journey singers have had problems with their voices and had to stop touring these songs.

You're giving Augeri credit right there. He might have lasted 8 years, but his voice last for 5 years if he was lucky, then they turned to tapes.

Reading your post, you make it sound like he was lipping for 3 years. Yes, I can do math. The rumor came out of one event. Don't overinflate it. That's just not right!

jestor92 wrote: Augeri might have lasted 8 years, but his voice last for 5 years if he was lucky, then they turned to tapes.

That's not accurate. The only tour where there was full blown extensive use of tapes was 2005.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

jestor92 wrote: Augeri might have lasted 8 years, but his voice last for 5 years if he was lucky, then they turned to tapes.

That's not accurate. The only tour where there was full blown extensive use of tapes was 2005.

yup.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

jestor92 wrote: Augeri might have lasted 8 years, but his voice last for 5 years if he was lucky, then they turned to tapes.

That's not accurate. The only tour where there was full blown extensive use of tapes was 2005.

Extensive? Please show proof that it was extensive. My understanding is that it was only one night, that was supposedly caught, not many.
Was it a 30lb Salmon or a 60? Sounds like a fisherman's tale to me.

steveo777 wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

jestor92 wrote: Augeri might have lasted 8 years, but his voice last for 5 years if he was lucky, then they turned to tapes.

That's not accurate. The only tour where there was full blown extensive use of tapes was 2005.

Extensive? Please show proof that it was extensive. My understanding is that it was only one night, that was supposedly caught, not many.
Was it a 30lb Salmon or a 60? Sounds like a fisherman's tale to me.

They were caught at the Sweden Rock Festival by a radio sound guy initially. When they got over here in the States, it was common enough issue during the U.S dates for Rolling stone to hear about it.
After Classic Rock radio picked up the story, Augeri seemingly sang live the very next gig and sounded like he was dying.


Two people who don't know each other, bringing it up about shows on two different continents. The Radio mentions it and the next show, Augeri's voice goes to shit. Too many coincidences.

Don wrote:

steveo777 wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

jestor92 wrote: Augeri might have lasted 8 years, but his voice last for 5 years if he was lucky, then they turned to tapes.

That's not accurate. The only tour where there was full blown extensive use of tapes was 2005.

Extensive? Please show proof that it was extensive. My understanding is that it was only one night, that was supposedly caught, not many.
Was it a 30lb Salmon or a 60? Sounds like a fisherman's tale to me.

They were caught at the Sweden Rock Festival by a radio sound guy initially. When they got over here in the States, it was common enough issue during the U.S dates for Rolling stone to hear about it.
After Classic Rock radio picked up the story, Augeri seemingly sang live the very next gig and sounded like he was dying.


Two people who don't know each other, bringing it up about shows on two different continents. The Radio mentions it and the next show, Augeri's voice goes to shit. Too many coincidences.

for what it's worth, it was the Raleigh show where everything went south. There were several shows before that where he was definitely live. Jones Beach and Hershey at least, and I'm thinking there were a few more. There's a recording from Jones Beach and he really doesn't sound much different from late '04. Now granted, he was starting to sound a bit rough by the fall of '04 (or at least on the show I have), but it was passable.

steveo777 wrote:Extensive? Please show proof that it was extensive. My understanding is that it was only one night, that was supposedly caught, not many.

The proof was hashed out and re-hashed and posted on this very forum (and later on a blog) years ago. One night hardily qualifies as a scandal.

steveo777 wrote:

Onestepper wrote:AP is probably smart enough to know, that call is never going to come.

Even if Steve did call, no way would AP get dropped. Neal has to be smart enough to know that there is no way they would be alble to tour with Steve. Since Neal is not ready to retire, I would think he would politely pass.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

"Pass"....yeah, RIGHT....good one!!!

It always comes back to the tapes.......

FamilyMan wrote:It always comes back to the tapes.......

It has to. If Journey was any other type of band, maybe it wouldn't be that big of a deal. Say a Van Halen where the guitarist is the best known member. Unfortunately, Journey is most identified with the high tenor voice of Perry. When you are known predominantly as a vocalist band, faking the one element that is your trademark IS a big deal.
The MAJORITY of people don't go the shows because of Neal's guitar or Jon's keys; It's all about the vocals. The new Doc reinforces that even more when Arnel is pretty much told to go out there and sound like Steve Perry. The voice, that is the meal ticket for Journey, the claim to fame. You defraud the fans of that, you deserve the flack you get.
Anyway, we are the only ones who talk about it.

Fans at the real Journey sites have no notion of it or would be in denial even if they did know. Just give them the dirty dozen and someone who can imitate Steve Perry and they're happy.