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MartyMoffatt wrote:I posted this on a thread on the MR Noticeboard, but I know a lot of you don't venture over there, so I'll paste it here too...
Wembley was my seventh show of this tour, and I've mostly enjoyed the individual performances. Whitesnake and Journey have both had some patchy sound issues in different parts of the halls - Journey especially in the first few shows and Whitesnake more recently. The only band to have consistently great sound was Thunder, thanks no doubt to their sound guy Pete Russell.
I was photographing all three bands at each show, so I basically had the best seat in the house, right in the photo pit. The sound there was brilliant, and I could hear every word and every note of every song.
My experience of the three bands is as follows:-
Thunder were incredibly consistent at every show. Some of the jokes may be the same, but the banter always felt fresh and personal. Musically they were very tight, they were always entertaining and their scripted moves kept the audience engaged. Thunder were not allowed to use a backdrop, so their lighting was fairly basic and had to contend with a huge white screen behind them. Luckily they didn't have to rely on too many visuals to get their message across.
Whitesnake had the larger than life stage presence of Mr Coverdale. I have to admit I don't particularly care for this heavy metal version of Whitesnake (I was more a fan of the early bluesy material before he discovered hairspray), but he did a god job of appealing to all the audience. However, after a few shows the corny, cliched quips got a bit repetitive. Vocally I found DC difficult to listen to - at some shows it was passable, but at others it was grating, and for a few shows I didn't even bother photographing, and went to get something to eat instead. Visually they looked like the archetypal 1980's classic rock band, and I'm pretty sure that drum solo was first aired about then.
With Journey, I struggle to see where all the negative feedback is coming from. Obviously, if the sound is poor where you are sat (and in seated venues you don't have the option to move around) this may affect your perception of how the band are playing, but let me say that from my position at the front of the stage the performances, and sound, were pretty much flawless for every show. Journey don't go in for projecting their banter to the back of the hall - I don't think they have for many years. However, to say they don't engage with the audience is a little unfair. Arnel, Ross and Neal each spent the whole evening making eye contact with, laughing and smiling with the front few rows. One tiny kid on the barrier and her parents must have gone home on cloud nine after the amount of time Arnel spent singing directly to her. In a big arena this may not always be obvious, but they do engage with the people they can see. Even Jonathan got more lively as the shows progressed.
Visually, it looked to be the same stage backdrop LED setup they used in 2011, but it still worked well. The inclusion of the US flag in Cardiff (in recognition of Memorial Day) and the British flag in Birmingham and Wembley was a nice touch.
Talking to people at all seven shows, I was constantly amazed at the range of opinions expressed and often wondered if I was at the same show. Some people loved Thunder and Whitesnake but absolutely loathed Journey. Others loved Thunder and Journey and hated Whitesnake's performance. Some liked all three bands and had a great time. Some left during or after Whitesnake's set and didn't even stay for Journey, or left early during Journey's set. The only thing everybody agreed on was that Thunder were brilliant.
Comments about a mass exodus during Journey are a little off too. People do leave early if there are several bands and the one they've come to see has finished. With three bands and around three and a half hours of high tempo music it is a lot to sit through.
If two or three hundred people left, that still left over 10,000 at most venues staying for the show. The venues weren't sold out, but most looked to be 80-90% full even at the end of Journey's set.
I remember seeing some Journey/Def Leppard double header shows a few years ago in the US. Def leppard went on last at those shows and large numbers of Journey fans left before Def Leppard. It happens.
Marty
maverick218 wrote:Marty,
I know that you are tight with Thunder and I know that they are "retired", but man would I love it if they would tour over here in the US.
MartyMoffatt wrote:maverick218 wrote:Marty,
I know that you are tight with Thunder and I know that they are "retired", but man would I love it if they would tour over here in the US.
For the past couple of years, members of Thunder, along with several others, have done a charity motorbike ride in the US (Montana, Utah, Colorado etc), and played an informal concert at the end. They are planning the same again next year, on Route 66, so there are opportunities to see them, and even have a beer or two with them as they are a very sociable and fan friendly bunch. As to bigger, more formal shows, it isn't beyond the realms of possibility, if there was the demand to make it financially worthwhile. They are doing a few festivals here and in Europe, and their traditional Christmas shows. They just don't have any plans to record, because Luke is focussing all his songwriting on The Union right now.
Unfortunately, their last planned tour of the States, back in about 1990, got canned a few days before they were due to fly out, because the promoter got cold feet and instead decided to plough his money into some hot new band called Nirvana.
Marty
tater1977 wrote:(Neal posted on his FB)...
"Jon myself and Ross were presented with Gold and Platinum records from CBS in the UK"
Don wrote:tater1977 wrote:(Neal posted on his FB)...
"Jon myself and Ross were presented with Gold and Platinum records from CBS in the UK"
Looks from the pictures that they were for Journey's Greatest Hits and the single for DSB. Glad to see that the three people who were actually on those releases got honored.
jrny84 wrote:Is Journey's Greatest Hits finally certified gold in the UK?
maverick218 wrote:MartyMoffatt wrote:maverick218 wrote:Marty,
I know that you are tight with Thunder and I know that they are "retired", but man would I love it if they would tour over here in the US.
For the past couple of years, members of Thunder, along with several others, have done a charity motorbike ride in the US (Montana, Utah, Colorado etc), and played an informal concert at the end. They are planning the same again next year, on Route 66, so there are opportunities to see them, and even have a beer or two with them as they are a very sociable and fan friendly bunch. As to bigger, more formal shows, it isn't beyond the realms of possibility, if there was the demand to make it financially worthwhile. They are doing a few festivals here and in Europe, and their traditional Christmas shows. They just don't have any plans to record, because Luke is focussing all his songwriting on The Union right now.
Unfortunately, their last planned tour of the States, back in about 1990, got canned a few days before they were due to fly out, because the promoter got cold feet and instead decided to plough his money into some hot new band called Nirvana.
Marty
That's really interesting about Nirvana... maybe if the promoter hadn't backed out, we wouldn't have to live through the "dark" time of grunge and Thunder would have become the international superstars that they should have been.
bionic wrote:Thunder just seem to be the perfect live band , they all play as we'll as they ever have, and really engage the audience .Whitesnake are past their sell by date, good set and Coverdale try's his best, but the voice is so shot I'm afraid . Journey are one of my all time favourite bands, but they were lame, people bored and leaving every show. They have a new singer and new material , yet they play the Perry years set to death. Arnel has a great voice but is not a frontman , bouncing round the stage like a hyperactive kid was never Journeys thing, he looks like a pop idol singer got the gig. At least Augeri engaged the audience and was a fine frontman, the shows he did with Journey were by far superior , though the whole taped vocals was a sad end to his career. Journey are going through the motions , both Night Ranger and Foreigner blew them off at the Hollywood Bowl show I attended, as did Styx and Foreigner last UK show.... Game over for Whitesnake and Journey for me now. I'll remember their better days .
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