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Anymore, I'll believe it when I see it. I know the album will be released, but as far as the tour, we'll see. If he does tour, I hope it's more than his last outing with the NSB.

http://youtu.be/3chhqYYzNzs

PianoMan1986 wrote:Anymore, I'll believe it when I see it. I know the album will be released, but as far as the tour, we'll see. If he does tour, I hope it's more than his last outing with the NSB.

http://youtu.be/3chhqYYzNzs

The album will come. Neal's next tour will be with Santana. Journey, as well as the world, will end soon.

PianoMan1986 wrote:Anymore, I'll believe it when I see it. I know the album will be released, but as far as the tour, we'll see. If he does tour, I hope it's more than his last outing with the NSB.

http://youtu.be/3chhqYYzNzs

Neal Schon band... or... wait for it... Never Stop Believing???

G.I.Jim wrote:

PianoMan1986 wrote:Anymore, I'll believe it when I see it. I know the album will be released, but as far as the tour, we'll see. If he does tour, I hope it's more than his last outing with the NSB.

http://youtu.be/3chhqYYzNzs

Neal Schon band... or... wait for it... Never Stop Believing???

NSB = Need Some Bucks

At least he's still creating.

What ever happened to the cd that was coming out with Dean and Neal?

yulog wrote:What ever happened to the cd that was coming out with Dean and Neal?

Coming out in August

Next Schon solo album is Feb 2014.

Andrew wrote:Next Schon solo album is Feb 2014.

Neal needs to up the game on this next one. His solo albums have been duds, in my humble opinion.
Less Jazz/fusion and more rock. All the frustrations about what's not allowed in Journey should pour out into this record.
Would like to hear more of "The Revelation" kind of fare with Jon's melodic touch.

FamilyMan wrote:

Andrew wrote:Next Schon solo album is Feb 2014.

Neal needs to up the game on this next one. His solo albums have been duds, in my humble opinion.
Less Jazz/fusion and more rock. All the frustrations about what's not allowed in Journey should pour out into this record.
Would like to hear more of "The Revelation" kind of fare with Jon's melodic touch.

Saying "rock" and "Jon" in the same sentence is an oxymoron.. the whole point of Neal's solo stuff was so he could get away from Journey's pap... so why would he bring Jon in...

Because I honestly think left to his own devices, the solo stuff is boring and unremarkable.
The Eclipse sound - with Jon's input - is a good zone for Schon.

FamilyMan wrote:Because I honestly think left to his own devices, the solo stuff is boring and unremarkable.
The Eclipse sound - with Jon's input - is a good zone for Schon.

Eclipse was a confused album.. it didn't know what it wanted to be...

Bad English is essentially Schon/Cain in a hard rock band.. much better than the Eclipse direction..

Andrew wrote:Next Schon solo album is Feb 2014.

I thought Neal said August for the one with Deen?

I really want him to do something with a Voice or Beyond The Thunder vibe to it.

It's now Feb 14.

slucero wrote:Bad English is essentially Schon/Cain in a hard rock band..

"Bad English" is hard rock now? Oooookay.
Even the non Diane Warren penned songs are AOR or pop at best.
What's the hardest track they recorded? Rocking horse?

"Best Of What I Got" "Heaven Is A 4 Letter Word" "Forget Me Not" "Ready When You Are" "Lay Down" "Rocking Horse" "So This Is Eden" "Dancing Off The Edge Of The World" and "Pray For Rain" are all Hard Rockers. And there are others like "Tough Times Don't Last" "Ghost In Your Heart" and "Life At The Top" that almost qualify in the same category.

I've known people over the years that almost exclusively listen to Metal and hate almost anything that's not Metal, that love "Best Of What I Got" "Heaven Is A 4 Letter Word" and "Forget Me Not."

Journey/Survivor wrote:"Best Of What I Got" "Heaven Is A 4 Letter Word" "Forget Me Not" "Ready When You Are" "Lay Down" "Rocking Horse" "So This Is Eden" "Dancing Off The Edge Of The World" and "Pray For Rain" are all Hard Rockers. And there are others like "Tough Times Don't Last" "Ghost In Your Heart" and "Life At The Top" that almost qualify in the same category.

I've known people over the years that almost exclusively listen to Metal and hate almost anything that's not Metal, that love "Best Of What I Got" "Heaven Is A 4 Letter Word" and "Forget Me Not."

Agreed... although this album was a sonically mixed disaster (like recent Journey releases have been), the integrity of the metal is there. This is what Jon and Neal are capable of IF they're willing to work outside the legacy framework. Beginning to think JSS was the answer after all.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

slucero wrote:Bad English is essentially Schon/Cain in a hard rock band..

"Bad English" is hard rock now? Oooookay.
Even the non Diane Warren penned songs are AOR or pop at best.
What's the hardest track they recorded? Rocking horse?

on the pop scale..at the time they were together.. they were a hard rock band..

Kinda how folks considered Aerosmith a hard rock band back in the 70's and 80's... and then they became more popular, and "chipped away the stone" of their hard rock perception.....


Neal isn't stupid enough to start another band, in the Eclipse direction.. even he can see what does and doesn't sell. But then again, we are talking about Neal... so who knows..

slucero wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

slucero wrote:Bad English is essentially Schon/Cain in a hard rock band..

"Bad English" is hard rock now? Oooookay.
Even the non Diane Warren penned songs are AOR or pop at best.
What's the hardest track they recorded? Rocking horse?

on the pop scale..at the time they were together.. they were a hard rock band..

Kinda how folks considered Aerosmith a hard rock band back in the 70's and 80's... and then they became more popular, and "chipped away the stone" of their hard rock perception.....


Neal isn't stupid enough to start another band, in the Eclipse direction.. even he can see what does and doesn't sell. But then again, we are talking about Neal... so who knows..

Neal is too busy trying to wear out the upper and lower labia, as well as knock the bottom out of a particular blonde. Journey is an auto pilot income for him. Of course, who knows what Neal will do next?

slucero wrote:Neal isn't stupid enough to start another band, in the Eclipse direction.. even he can see what does and doesn't sell. But then again, we are talking about Neal... so who knows..

Eclipse could've been an entire cd of Gregorian monk chants. Without the hits, it aint selling. Just like every Journey cd since Arrival.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

slucero wrote:Neal isn't stupid enough to start another band, in the Eclipse direction.. even he can see what does and doesn't sell. But then again, we are talking about Neal... so who knows..

Eclipse could've been an entire cd of Gregorian monk chants. Without the hits, it aint selling. Just like every Journey cd since Arrival.

Precisely why the "Eclipse zone", as FamilyMan put it.. is really just another "dead zone" for Schon.. because Schon isn't just a great musician.. he's also a famewhore.. who loves the limelight, playing guitar god in front of adoring fans.. which he won't get to do if he were to create more Eclipse style music..

To feed his ego, pay the bills and fill his wallet... he has to create more of the music he's sick of.. legacy Journey music...

What, then, is the appeal for these Solo albums that don't sell widely and whose tracks find no quarter in any Journey shows?

Just my opinion...but I've enjoyed Neal's solo work very much. I don't think it's ever been about selling records or touring with the solo stuff. It's about stretching your musical legs so to speak.

Now, that said...if Neal toured solo and did both acoustic and electric stuff from his solo works in smaller more intimate venues....that could be interesting. He could even do new acoustic arrangements of one or two classic Journey tunes to save for "encores" etc... Do special shows at casinos, live music bars etc. and highlight his solo work...that I'd go see.

slucero wrote:To feed his ego, pay the bills and fill his wallet... he has to create more of the music he's sick of.. legacy Journey music...

Plenty of legacy music on Arrival and Generations. It didn't sell.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

slucero wrote:To feed his ego, pay the bills and fill his wallet... he has to create more of the music he's sick of.. legacy Journey music...

Plenty of legacy music on Arrival and Generations. It didn't sell.

yup.. because the masses see "legacy Journey" as Perry Journey..

musicfan17 wrote:Just my opinion...but I've enjoyed Neal's solo work very much. I don't think it's ever been about selling records or touring with the solo stuff. It's about stretching your musical legs so to speak.

Now, that said...if Neal toured solo and did both acoustic and electric stuff from his solo works in smaller more intimate venues....that could be interesting. He could even do new acoustic arrangements of one or two classic Journey tunes to save for "encores" etc... Do special shows at casinos, live music bars etc. and highlight his solo work...that I'd go see.

Follow the Joe Bonamassa model (smaller venues with an acoustic and electric set)...I like it- play solo tunes and obscure journey stuff, and I would be interested to see a show if he came to my area.

musicfan17 wrote:Just my opinion...but I've enjoyed Neal's solo work very much. I don't think it's ever been about selling records or touring with the solo stuff. It's about stretching your musical legs so to speak.

Now, that said...if Neal toured solo and did both acoustic and electric stuff from his solo works in smaller more intimate venues....that could be interesting. He could even do new acoustic arrangements of one or two classic Journey tunes to save for "encores" etc... Do special shows at casinos, live music bars etc. and highlight his solo work...that I'd go see.

I would be interested too, but I think the problem is that Neal doesn't have the confidence for it. He is used to big stages and intimate venues freak him out and he soon gives up. He also doesn't seem to know how to build support for material and prefers to play what is already popular with the fans. Problem with that, is his solo stuff isn't popular. He has some good solo material, but he has to have insight into which songs have potential to become popular and then have the persistence to give fans a chance to like them over time. I don't think Neal can be that type of player after so much commercial success in Journey. It's a shame too, because this is why he will never get his proper due as a guitarist. Money and fame motivate him more than artistry, just like the rest of us working stiffs.

Thought I would try and bring this thread back since the new album is due in a couple of months and I figured we must all be sick of the wedding sideshow and other non-music related stuff by now.

Is this still on for February 2014? I haven't seen any mention of it so I guess the release has been delayed?

slucero wrote:Saying "rock" and "Jon" in the same sentence is an oxymoron.. the whole point of Neal's solo stuff was so he could get away from Journey's pap... so why would he bring Jon in...

Eh, Beyond the Thunder was pretty good. Soft, but a good solo cd from Neal.

Neal posted on his FB...

Neal Schon....
It's a Rockin and very musical record with plenty of full out jams and all 3 of us on Lead Vocals...

COMING SOON!