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Since there's little else to talk about in the Journey world lately, it seems that it is time for this again. What songs would it take to make Journey an interesting live band again but also keep the casual masses happy? I'm thinking that something like this would be go over well:

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Ask The Lonely
Never Walk Away
Only The Young
Stone In Love
When You Love A Woman
Lights
Troubled Child
Anything Is Possible
Resonate
Just The Same Way
After All These Years
Send Her My Love
Who's Crying Now?
Higher Place
Wheel In The Sky
Be Good To Yourself
Any Way You Want It
Faithfully
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La Raza Del Sol
Don't Stop Believing
The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love)

Purposely left out Open Arms and Loving, Touching, Squeezing. Cannot stand those songs anymore.

For one thing, opening with Separate Ways has to stop. It's been the opener since 1998. SO predictable. No one's surprised anymore.
Ask the Lonely and Only the Young are also all too frequent 2nd and 3rd song choices.
This band really needs to shake it up.

I'd do:
Escape
Line of Fire
Any Way You Want It
(guitar solo)
Stone In Love

...then some newer tunes....

FamilyMan wrote:For one thing, opening with Separate Ways has to stop. It's been the opener since 1998. SO predictable. No one's surprised anymore.
Ask the Lonely and Only the Young are also all too frequent 2nd and 3rd song choices.
This band really needs to shake it up.

I'd do:
Escape
Line of Fire
Any Way You Want It
(guitar solo)
Stone In Love

...then some newer tunes....

Definitely take the point about SW, but I still think it's a great opener. Escape would be good too though. For what it's worth, I know that since 1998 they've also opened with State Of Grace, Faith In The Heartland, Never Walk Away, Kohoutek and Be Good To Yourself at one point or another

Archetype wrote:

FamilyMan wrote:For one thing, opening with Separate Ways has to stop. It's been the opener since 1998. SO predictable. No one's surprised anymore.
Ask the Lonely and Only the Young are also all too frequent 2nd and 3rd song choices.
This band really needs to shake it up.

I'd do:
Escape
Line of Fire
Any Way You Want It
(guitar solo)
Stone In Love

...then some newer tunes....

Definitely take the point about SW, but I still think it's a great opener. Escape would be good too though. For what it's worth, I know that since 1998 they've also opened with State Of Grace, Faith In The Heartland, Never Walk Away, Kohoutek and Be Good To Yourself at one point or another

Anyway You Want it made a great opener when they used that. I like closing with Separate Ways to send the crowd off amped. Opener has to be known..although Never Walk Away didn't really bomb in '08.

I love "Be Good to Yourself" anfd "Ask the Lonely", but I really don't think these songs have the same casual mass appeal as, say, DSB or AWYWI or SW. Great tunes, but mandatory? Not really. Schon grabbed the reigns from Perry, now it's time to grab the reigns from Cain and their lazy management and mix it up. Do an instrumental medley of the Rolie years that segues into Red 13. Have some balls and self respect, for goodness sake.

First get Rolie back and ditch Jon (does he really want to be there anyhow?)

Open with Kohoutek


Of a Lifetime
Hear We Are
Next (With shared vocals with Deen)


Feeling the Way/Anytime
Just the same Way
People and Places


Deen singing

Mother Father
Still They Ride
Sweet and Simple
WCTNGOF
Kiss Me Softly
Better Life
Wind of March

Arnel singing the better Eclipse songs

Resonate
Anything is Possible
Edge of the Moment
Someone

Never Walk Away
Where did I lose Your Love

Higher Place
Message of Love

Edge of the Blade



When the love is gone instrumental from Schon.


A greatest hits medley

end with Faithfully.


This would bring me back

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I love "Be Good to Yourself" anfd "Ask the Lonely", but I really don't think these songs have the same casual mass appeal as, say, DSB or AWYWI or SW. Great tunes, but mandatory?

Exactly. As much as I enjoy them they don't HAVE to be staples and would be good options to drop for an influx of newer/rarer material....

Ditching JC will never happen and Rollie neither wants, nor needs the gig.

Anyway you want it
Separate Ways
Only the Young
Whos Crying Now
Message of Love
Girl Cant Help It
Lights
When you love a woman
Stone In Love
Wheel in the Sky
After all these years
Faith in the heartland
Ask the lonely
Ill Be alright without you
Partys Over
Faithfully
Escape
Why Cant This Night

Encore:
Be Good to yourself
Send her my love
DSB

scarab wrote:First get Rolie back and ditch Jon (does he really want to be there anyhow?)

Open with Kohoutek


Of a Lifetime
Hear We Are
Next (With shared vocals with Deen)


Feeling the Way/Anytime
Just the same Way
People and Places


Deen singing

Mother Father
Still They Ride
Sweet and Simple
WCTNGOF
Kiss Me Softly
Better Life
Wind of March

Arnel singing the better Eclipse songs

Resonate
Anything is Possible
Edge of the Moment
Someone

Never Walk Away
Where did I lose Your Love

Higher Place
Message of Love

Edge of the Blade



When the love is gone instrumental from Schon.


A greatest hits medley

end with Faithfully.


This would bring me back

Welcome to you're very own personal Journey concert, because if people knew this set before they bought the ticket you would be the only one there.

I've wondered forever why they don't do a medley of some of the dirty dozen to free up more time to play newer and older stuff- I'd like to hear some TBF, Arrival, Red 13, Revelation, even Eclipse. Bring out some of the Infinity-Departure stuff. Right now as it is, I have no desire to see them ever again, unless they announce a fairwell tour. Totally sick of the dirty dozen. They need to stop pandering to the "casual" fan and throw the long time die hards a bone.

Open with Don't Stop Believin' then follow it by Open Arms and Faithfully. This way, the casual fans will be have had what they wanted and can go home, and then Journey can play whatever they feel like for everyone who is still there. I think it is win win. Let the casual fans have what they want ASAP. Send them home happy and early so the band can play for itself, the diehards, and the remaining casual fans who simply have no lives.

The band doesn't really practice or rehearse together...so they just stick to what they know. It's pathetic. Remember when Augeri first joined, he got a ticket to go to the West Coast, just to pop in and hang with Neal and Jon and work on some tunes? He tried to be a team player. Neal and Jon don't care.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The band doesn't really practice or rehearse together...so they just stick to what they know. It's pathetic. Remember when Augeri first joined, he got a ticket to go to the West Coast, just to pop in and hang with Neal and Jon and work on some tunes? He tried to be a team player. Neal and Jon don't care.

I think Augeri was definitely a team player, and tried his best to deliver. But honestly, I think Augeri didn't have the goods anymore by the time he sang his first note for Journey. Not saying he was bad or that I didn't like anything he was doing, and I did enjoy him live because it is just a class act. But go listen to that first Tall Stories album and you can see what I mean. What a great vocalist he was on that. If he could have brought that kind of vocal to Journey, it would have been great, but he just couldn't do it like that anymore, for whatever reason. Still wish him the best and admire him for still getting out there and doing what he loves. Takes a lot of courage after playing the big time to play little shows like he does. Just goes to show that his class act was no act.

"An Evening With..." was such an ambitious tour - and by far, my favorite since seeing the band reunited for "Vacation's Over." But my wife, on the other hand, didn't enjoy the Rolie-era half of the show at all. I think that's why they won't ever try it again. I think they feel they'll alienate half their core audience (women) who mostly want to hear the ballads and DD. They're not RUSH. They can't promise a set that will only appeal to gearhead guys and hope to sell tickets. That's why I too think the best approach for the next tour is to play a full album (Escape is their best bet) in its entirety and include B-sides.

Hollywood wrote:

scarab wrote:First get Rolie back and ditch Jon (does he really want to be there anyhow?)

Open with Kohoutek


Of a Lifetime
Hear We Are
Next (With shared vocals with Deen)


Feeling the Way/Anytime
Just the same Way
People and Places


Deen singing

Mother Father
Still They Ride
Sweet and Simple
WCTNGOF
Kiss Me Softly
Better Life
Wind of March

Arnel singing the better Eclipse songs

Resonate
Anything is Possible
Edge of the Moment
Someone

Never Walk Away
Where did I lose Your Love

Higher Place
Message of Love

Edge of the Blade



When the love is gone instrumental from Schon.


A greatest hits medley

end with Faithfully.


This would bring me back

Welcome to you're very own personal Journey concert, because if people knew this set before they bought the ticket you would be the only one there.

This made me lmao
...and I concur.

NS is the star and owner of the band. The shows must open with a riff, other than keys.

Play about 4 mins of whatever mystical keyboard/piano synths, guitar/bass fades, interspersed with drums, heavy & faint, & maybe some TBF-like vocal yells & chants...all the while doing some video of past/present whatever clips (maybe even some current/historical news feeds), that feeds into a frenzy with all the music, then let NS rip into 'Stone In Love'. Then do 'Separate Ways'. The rest is DD history, or whatever.


later~

FamilyMan wrote:"An Evening With..." was such an ambitious tour - and by far, my favorite since seeing the band reunited for "Vacation's Over." But my wife, on the other hand, didn't enjoy the Rolie-era half of the show at all. I think that's why they won't ever try it again. I think they feel they'll alienate half their core audience (women) who mostly want to hear the ballads and DD. They're not RUSH. They can't promise a set that will only appeal to gearhead guys and hope to sell tickets. That's why I too think the best approach for the next tour is to play a full album (Escape is their best bet) in its entirety and include B-sides.

I've mentioned this in another thread. I don't think they have to go to the depths catlog-wise that they did on the 30th Anniversary Tour (although it was great), but I would like to see them return to doing "Evening With..." shows/tours playing longer shows with more of a mix of b-sides, deep cuts, and newer material -- if not an acoustic break.

I wouldn't mind hearing a realistic set of something like:

1.Anyway You Want It
2.Short guitar solo
3.Stone In Love
4.Line Of Fire
5.Ask the Lonely
6.Lights/Stay Awhile
7.Faith In the Heartland
8.Only the Young
9.Whose Cryin' Now with extended guitar work leading into
10.Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'
11.After All These Years
12.Be Good To Yourself
13.Send Her My Love
14.I'll Be Alright Without You
15.Mother Father
16.Faithfully
17.Escape
18.Don't Stop Believin'

Encore

19.Wheel in the Sky
20.Separate Ways

Majestic wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The band doesn't really practice or rehearse together...so they just stick to what they know. It's pathetic. Remember when Augeri first joined, he got a ticket to go to the West Coast, just to pop in and hang with Neal and Jon and work on some tunes? He tried to be a team player. Neal and Jon don't care.

I think Augeri was definitely a team player, and tried his best to deliver. But honestly, I think Augeri didn't have the goods anymore by the time he sang his first note for Journey. Not saying he was bad or that I didn't like anything he was doing, and I did enjoy him live because it is just a class act. But go listen to that first Tall Stories album and you can see what I mean. What a great vocalist he was on that. If he could have brought that kind of vocal to Journey, it would have been great, but he just couldn't do it like that anymore, for whatever reason. Still wish him the best and admire him for still getting out there and doing what he loves. Takes a lot of courage after playing the big time to play little shows like he does. Just goes to show that his class act was no act.

Well, I'm not really discussing Steve A.'s singing abilities. He was in the raw fast once they got on the road. I'm just saying this band is not a creative unit and the writing dynamic pretty much only exists in Neal's head.

As for Tall Stories....that's an album, not a live bootleg. Of course, Augeri sounds great on it. He sounds great on Arrival and Generations. If you listen to bootlegs of Augeri in Tyketto he became a much better singer with Journey because he learned things like breath control etc.