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FamilyMan wrote:Still sounds like he's struggling to me.

AR wrote:

FamilyMan wrote:Still sounds like he's struggling to me.

Sounds great to me. Compare it to Steve Perry's recent version.

FamilyMan wrote:

AR wrote:

FamilyMan wrote:Still sounds like he's struggling to me.

Sounds great to me. Compare it to Steve Perry's recent version.

I think Perry cleans his clock.

scarab wrote:sounds really good, does he do a mostly Journey setlist? Anything from his solo or Tall Stories.
Would love to hear him do Kiss me Softly, his best song with Journey.

Journey2Infinity wrote:Augeri has always been pitchy. Always. I saw him when Journey first re-launched in 1998. He not only struggled to hit the high notes, he was flat and sharp all over the place. Two of the three subsequent concerts I saw in 2000 and 2002 were horribly worse. The show I saw in 2003 had to have been lipped because he magically sounded pitch-perfect, strong and hit all the highs he could never hit before (and I can tell the difference between he and Deen). I still hear the same thing now from all these clips. He struggles with the highs and his pitch is all over the place. I liked a lot of Journey's studio songs with Augeri but the guy can't pull it off live.

And stop comparing Perry and Augeri. Different ages, different styles, different backgrounds.

AR wrote:

Journey2Infinity wrote:Augeri has always been pitchy. Always. I saw him when Journey first re-launched in 1998. He not only struggled to hit the high notes, he was flat and sharp all over the place. Two of the three subsequent concerts I saw in 2000 and 2002 were horribly worse. The show I saw in 2003 had to have been lipped because he magically sounded pitch-perfect, strong and hit all the highs he could never hit before (and I can tell the difference between he and Deen). I still hear the same thing now from all these clips. He struggles with the highs and his pitch is all over the place. I liked a lot of Journey's studio songs with Augeri but the guy can't pull it off live.

And stop comparing Perry and Augeri. Different ages, different styles, different backgrounds.

I'll take 2014 Augeri over 2014 Perry. I'll compare them all I want.

That does not negate that I got a kick out of seeing Steve Perry do those two appearances. However the loons abused every singer that was not Steve Perry for many years. Right now Perry is behind every singer that followed him. He's still the man. Don't get me wrong. But he shouldn't be getting a free pass. I think Augeri's version of Open Arms sounds a lot better than what Perry did last week.

AR wrote:

Journey2Infinity wrote:Augeri has always been pitchy. Always. I saw him when Journey first re-launched in 1998. He not only struggled to hit the high notes, he was flat and sharp all over the place. Two of the three subsequent concerts I saw in 2000 and 2002 were horribly worse. The show I saw in 2003 had to have been lipped because he magically sounded pitch-perfect, strong and hit all the highs he could never hit before (and I can tell the difference between he and Deen). I still hear the same thing now from all these clips. He struggles with the highs and his pitch is all over the place. I liked a lot of Journey's studio songs with Augeri but the guy can't pull it off live.

And stop comparing Perry and Augeri. Different ages, different styles, different backgrounds.

I'll take 2014 Augeri over 2014 Perry. I'll compare them all I want.

That does not negate that I got a kick out of seeing Steve Perry do those two appearances. However the loons abused every singer that was not Steve Perry for many years. Right now Perry is behind every singer that followed him. He's still the man. Don't get me wrong. But he shouldn't be getting a free pass. I think Augeri's version of Open Arms sounds a lot better than what Perry did last week.

donnaplease wrote:Ed, you can have him. I'll stick with my SMFP. Augeri is/was just as much a karaoke singer as Arnel. You did more than your share of trashing SA in '06 and '07 (Shall we go shopping - at the Gap maybe...?). And not ALL of us Loons 'abused every singer that wasn't Perry'. Don't paint us all with that same brush. I love you dearly, but I'm not giving you a pass on this. You trashed SA just as much as anyone else on this board. You felt betrayed by him, and rightfully so. I know how invested you were in the Augeri-era. His actions during tapegate don't get lessened just because Neal proved once and for all what a dick he is when he screwed over Jeff, though.

DracIsBack wrote:"I think Perry cleans his clock"
"Nope. Augeri is better at this stage. Sorry."

Look at you too, acting as though your 'opinions' are 'facts'

brywool wrote: He's playing chords where his voice is going where the chords should be different, but his voice part is correct,

JeremyP wrote:This has always been my favorite era of Journey. I love the songs and Steve's voice. He's got a really warm tone that suits Journey material and I appreciate that fact that his phrasing on classic Journey songs was more like the record as opposed to Perry and by extension, JSS, who would alter the melodies and phrasing frequently.

Monker wrote:

donnaplease wrote:Ed, you can have him. I'll stick with my SMFP. Augeri is/was just as much a karaoke singer as Arnel. You did more than your share of trashing SA in '06 and '07 (Shall we go shopping - at the Gap maybe...?). And not ALL of us Loons 'abused every singer that wasn't Perry'. Don't paint us all with that same brush. I love you dearly, but I'm not giving you a pass on this. You trashed SA just as much as anyone else on this board. You felt betrayed by him, and rightfully so. I know how invested you were in the Augeri-era. His actions during tapegate don't get lessened just because Neal proved once and for all what a dick he is when he screwed over Jeff, though.

First of all, not everyone on this forum was trashing SA. I never did that. i was saying Neal was an ass before it became so popular on this forum to do so. Neal was either the leader of the band, or he wasn't. The quote I repeated, over and over again, "The first rule of leadership: EVERYTHING is your fault." --- Hopper. Don't tell me that he didn't know what was doing on and approved of it, he probably even sanctioned it to get through more tours so he could get more $'s.

Second, Augeri was not on YouTube doing countless covers of other singers. He was in other bands writing and recording his own music both before and after Journey. He is NOT a karaoke singer like Arnel...saying that he was or is a karaoke singer is a flat out lie. You just don't like the fact that he was in Journey singing Journey songs so you throw the karaoke label about as an insult. By that definition, Perry is a karaoke singer for covering Eel and Sam Cooke.

donnaplease wrote:[
I guess you missed the part of my post that starts with "Ed,.....". Unless you really are Ed...

Monker wrote:

donnaplease wrote:[
I guess you missed the part of my post that starts with "Ed,.....". Unless you really are Ed...

No, I didn't. But, you must have missed the fact that you were replying on a public forum instead of Email.

The bottom line is you made some fairly generic statements that are flat out wrong. If I want to comment on it, I will.

Neal didn't become an ass when he fired SA. He became an ass when he pushed Augeri into more and more touring even though he knew his voice was failing and needed rest - and then denied he knew anything about what was going on, and threw Augeri under the bus because he wanted to replace him with JSS.

Insulting Augeri by calling him a karaoke singer is not just an insult, but a flat out lie. You c an't be a karaoke singer when you spend your career singing your own songs or the songs of the band you are a member of.

donnaplease wrote:

Monker wrote:

donnaplease wrote:[
I guess you missed the part of my post that starts with "Ed,.....". Unless you really are Ed...

No, I didn't. But, you must have missed the fact that you were replying on a public forum instead of Email.

The bottom line is you made some fairly generic statements that are flat out wrong. If I want to comment on it, I will.

Neal didn't become an ass when he fired SA. He became an ass when he pushed Augeri into more and more touring even though he knew his voice was failing and needed rest - and then denied he knew anything about what was going on, and threw Augeri under the bus because he wanted to replace him with JSS.

Insulting Augeri by calling him a karaoke singer is not just an insult, but a flat out lie. You c an't be a karaoke singer when you spend your career singing your own songs or the songs of the band you are a member of.

Comment all you want, but keep in mind my response was to Ed, not you. You act as if I responded to a post you made, and your feigned outrage at my " lie" is frankly just a little weird. You took my comment to Ed out of context and accused me of being a liar because I compare the tenure of 2 singers who have done the exact same thing in Journey (spending your career mostly singing the songs your predecessor made famous, while simultaneously recording lesser known and successful albums that rarely get heard in live shows).

But tell me this... Do you perceive Arnel as a 'karaoke' singer, but not Augeri? There's really no difference, in the minds of the machine that is Journey, IMO.

Neal became an ass long before either of the things you mention occurred. He just shows his stripes more at some times than others. My original point in this thread is that Ed shouldn't put Augeri back up on a pedestal, especially after all the time and effort spent on this board by a ton of people trashing him for being a 'karaoke singer plucked from the Gap to front Journey'. Furthermore, comparing Augeri's version of "Open Arms" to Perry's only invites the suggestion that Augeri is a karaoke singer with respect to his time in Journey. It's no different than saying Arnel is better than SP on the Journey catalog - utterly ridiculous. I'm actually very glad Augeri is happy and well, and likely will be seeing an Augeri show sometime later this summer. I'll be sure to share your concerns about my comments if we get a chance to chat. I'll bet he appreciates your fervor on his behalf.


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MCC620 wrote:I notice you didn't include JSS in your comparisons, because if you do, by your thinking, he was just another karaoke singer as well, considering he performed Journey songs on his solo tour well before being in the band. We all know that isn't true though, Augeri and JSS were chosen to start the band over so to speak. Clearly the only karaoke singer is Arnel in terms of his history before entering the band and his reason for being chosen, "legacy sound". As far as Ed putting Augeri on a pedestal, many have back-peddled on their opinion of him. It's as amusing to see as the wildfire set off by Perry singing again.

donnaplease wrote:

AR wrote:

Journey2Infinity wrote:Augeri has always been pitchy. Always. I saw him when Journey first re-launched in 1998. He not only struggled to hit the high notes, he was flat and sharp all over the place. Two of the three subsequent concerts I saw in 2000 and 2002 were horribly worse. The show I saw in 2003 had to have been lipped because he magically sounded pitch-perfect, strong and hit all the highs he could never hit before (and I can tell the difference between he and Deen). I still hear the same thing now from all these clips. He struggles with the highs and his pitch is all over the place. I liked a lot of Journey's studio songs with Augeri but the guy can't pull it off live.

And stop comparing Perry and Augeri. Different ages, different styles, different backgrounds.

I'll take 2014 Augeri over 2014 Perry. I'll compare them all I want.

That does not negate that I got a kick out of seeing Steve Perry do those two appearances. However the loons abused every singer that was not Steve Perry for many years. Right now Perry is behind every singer that followed him. He's still the man. Don't get me wrong. But he shouldn't be getting a free pass. I think Augeri's version of Open Arms sounds a lot better than what Perry did last week.

Ed, you can have him. I'll stick with my SMFP. Augeri is/was just as much a karaoke singer as Arnel. You did more than your share of trashing SA in '06 and '07 (Shall we go shopping - at the Gap maybe...?). And not ALL of us Loons 'abused every singer that wasn't Perry'. Don't paint us all with that same brush. I love you dearly, but I'm not giving you a pass on this. You trashed SA just as much as anyone else on this board. You felt betrayed by him, and rightfully so. I know how invested you were in the Augeri-era. His actions during tapegate don't get lessened just because Neal proved once and for all what a dick he is when he screwed over Jeff, though.

Aaron wrote:Naw, I do not believe this to be correct. Augeri came out of a band Tall Stories that was a pretty good band. Arnel came out of a cover band that did 0 originals. Augeri's band did original music. That is the difference IMHO. Augeri is a good dude and has WAY more finese the Arnel. Arnel had a bit more power back in the late 00's but I lost track when they went a half step down and started suckin arse.

AR wrote:People on this board acted like Steve Perry was God. He's not.

donnaplease wrote:But tell me this... Do you perceive Arnel as a 'karaoke' singer, but not Augeri? There's really no difference, in the minds of the machine that is Journey, IMO.

Neal became an ass long before either of the things you mention occurred.

My original point in this thread is that Ed shouldn't put Augeri back up on a pedestal, especially after all the time and effort spent on this board by a ton of people trashing him for being a 'karaoke singer plucked from the Gap to front Journey'.

Furthermore, comparing Augeri's version of "Open Arms" to Perry's only invites the suggestion that Augeri is a karaoke singer with respect to his time in Journey. It's no different than saying Arnel is better than SP on the Journey catalog - utterly ridiculous. I'm actually very glad Augeri is happy and well, and likely will be seeing an Augeri show sometime later this summer. I'll be sure to share your concerns about my comments if we get a chance to chat. I'll bet he appreciates your fervor on his behalf.

donnaplease wrote:

MCC620 wrote:I notice you didn't include JSS in your comparisons, because if you do, by your thinking, he was just another karaoke singer as well, considering he performed Journey songs on his solo tour well before being in the band. We all know that isn't true though, Augeri and JSS were chosen to start the band over so to speak. Clearly the only karaoke singer is Arnel in terms of his history before entering the band and his reason for being chosen, "legacy sound". As far as Ed putting Augeri on a pedestal, many have back-peddled on their opinion of him. It's as amusing to see as the wildfire set off by Perry singing again.

Well... Jeff was never referred to as " Perry with a perm" but I do agree that as I recall there was more of an effort to start over with SA than with Arnel. I honestly have no idea what the thinking was behind Jeff's tenure. Now it seems like it was just to get them through the '06 tour, but that doesn't really jive with them actually making him an official member, short as it may have been.

donnaplease wrote:It seems that either there's a ton of sympathy for SA these days,

My point to Ed was not to compare SA singing OA to SP, because it was not and never will be Augeri's song. He, as well as EVERYONE after him, are singing songs made famous by SP, thus the karaoke reference.