Darien Lake Show

[Eric]

That's the best I've heard Arnel. He looks comfortable.

Schon intro'd lights by saying it's not about LA its about San Francisco...

They played "She's a Mystery", "Ritual" and "Dead or Alive" (instead of Tantra, Never Walk Away and La Do Da).

Good crowd.....with a series of T-storms running through.

Probably the worst GH crowd yet. If it wasn't a hit for Miller or Journey.....sit down or piss.

[Marzdog]

Schon intro'd lights by saying it's not about LA its about San Francisco...

Best part of Perry coming out of the woodwork...chapping Neal's ass! I LOVE IT!

[tater1977]

That's the best I've heard Arnel. He looks comfortable.

Schon intro'd lights by saying it's not about LA its about San Francisco...

They played "She's a Mystery", "Ritual" and "Dead or Alive" (instead of Tantra, Never Walk Away and La Do Da).

Good crowd.....with a series of T-storms running through.

Probably the worst GH crowd yet. If it wasn't a hit for Miller or Journey.....sit down or piss.

Does Schon really think at this stage and age...the need for an one upsmanship...
And probably the lay Journey crowd wouldn't have any idea what he was talking about.
Good that they keep changing the setlist around a little.
Thanks

[Pacfanweb]

Neal sounds like a bitter little bitch.

Get over it, dude. He HATES the fact that Perry is getting more attention for 3 cameos than Journey has in the last decade. That's the way it is for all bands that don't have a key original member.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The only people who sound angry are Perry's deranged fans. Good on Neal for setting the record straight.
Thanks for the review.

[Memorex]

The only people who sound angry are Perry's deranged fans. Good on Neal for setting the record straight.
Thanks for the review.

Dude, I can't even tell you how funny this sounds coming from you. Thanks for the good hump-day afternoon laugh. It will get me to Friday.

[Eric]

TNC is right.

Also, They played "Anytime" which went over really well.

Only really did the live version of the very, very end of Wheel on the Sky. Added that tinge of guitar to Open Arms, too, which is really necessary to keep that tune fresh. Otherwise stuck to album version for most part.

My 9 year old Daughter said "Mother, Father" was her favorite and that she loves when "Deen the drummer" sings. Not too shabby! That was unaided - by the way. She was bummed they didn't play her favorite "After All These Years."

[Marzdog]

He HATES the fact that Perry is getting more attention for 3 cameos than Journey has in the last decade.

QFT

[Majestic]

Sounds interesting.

Any clips from it?

[Gina3008]

The only people who sound angry are Perry's deranged fans. Good on Neal for setting the record straight.
Thanks for the review.

I have long been a fan of Journey, with and without Steve Perry, deranged or not. Schon did not have to set anything straight about Lights. Steve had already explained Lights origination in the past and, again, here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyzaWbUs ... e=youtu.be

Yes, I know, everyone already knows this. Perhaps Schon is the deranged or angry one if he still feels the need to do this? Schon’s latest attempt at his one upsmanship, again, speaks volumes to his insecurities re Steve Perry. It, also, fits right in line with his shenanigans in the press, Facebook, on HBO, in live interviews, on stage… (and on and on and on… ). Geez, he has kept Journey alive well into 2014 (although sometimes questionably so). And I am so glad that he has done so. That, in itself, should show him that he does not need to engage in such banter.

Will this never end? Will Schon ever be secure? Will there ever be peace among the Loons and Naysayers? Perhaps not but, again, maybe. Don’t Stop Believin’. (Yeah, I couldn’t resist that)

[The_Noble_Cause]

He HATES the fact that Perry is getting more attention for 3 cameos than Journey has in the last decade.

QFT

There's alot of projection going on in this thread. I don't think Neal is angry at all. Actually, the only thing Perry did is settle the question as to why he is no longer singing high tenor, ball tearing, songs in the band Journey anymore. After the Eels performances, the endless demands for him to return to the band will likely now stop.

[steveo777]

He HATES the fact that Perry is getting more attention for 3 cameos than Journey has in the last decade.

QFT

There's alot of projection going on in this thread. I don't think Neal is angry at all. Actually, the only thing Perry did is settle the question as to why he is no longer singing high tenor, ball tearing, songs in the band Journey anymore. After the Eels performances, the endless demands for him to return to the band will likely now stop.

I was happy to hear him perform again, but yes, it really answered any questions many of us had about whether he could or should return to Journey. The SP chapter of Journey is over. I do wish he would make some new music around his present voice. I'd be one of the first in line to buy a new album.

[Art Vandelay]

The only people who sound angry are Perry's deranged fans. Good on Neal for setting the record straight.
Thanks for the review.

For the record the song WAS written about LA, and re-adapted to The Bay when Perry joined Journey. So, Perry and Schon are both right. It's mentioned in the book by Robyn Flans that came out in 1984, and Steve talked about it on Joe Benson's radio show.

Even though this is about San Francisco, it was written in Los Angeles, where the band had relocated. Steve Perry explained in an interview with Joe Benson of Arrow 93.1 FM: "I had the song written in Los Angeles almost completely except for the bridge and it was written about Los Angeles. It was 'when the lights go down in the city and the sun shines on LA.' I didn't like the way it sounded at the time. And so I just had it sitting back in the corner. Then life changed my plans once again, and I was now facing joining Journey. I love San Francisco, the bay and the whole thing. 'The bay' fit so nice, 'When the lights go down in the city and the sun shines on the bay.' It was one of those early morning going across the bridge things when the sun was coming up and the lights were going down. It was perfect."

[SF-Dano]

. And so I just had it sitting back in the corner. Then life changed my plans once again, and I was now facing joining Journey. I love San Francisco, the bay and the whole thing. 'The bay' fit so nice, 'When the lights go down in the city and the sun shines on the bay.' It was one of those early morning going across the bridge things when the sun was coming up and the lights were going down. It was perfect."

Why even bring up the LA origin when the song is clearly about SF? Not to mention the fact that on an official live release (Captured) you told the world: "We wrote a song about our home town San Francisco. It's called Lights."

The band had not relocated to LA at that time. Not sure where Flans got that from.

[Art Vandelay]

. And so I just had it sitting back in the corner. Then life changed my plans once again, and I was now facing joining Journey. I love San Francisco, the bay and the whole thing. 'The bay' fit so nice, 'When the lights go down in the city and the sun shines on the bay.' It was one of those early morning going across the bridge things when the sun was coming up and the lights were going down. It was perfect."

Why even bring up the LA origin when the song is clearly about SF? Not to mention the fact that on an official live release (Captured) you told the world: "We wrote a song about our home town San Francisco. It's called Lights."

The band had not relocated to LA at that time. Not sure where Flans got that from.

The Perry quote was his words from the Joe Benson show's website (sorry if I made it look like that was the quote from the book). I don't have Robyn Flan's book in front of me at the moment, so I don't recall what was written word for word. But I remember finding the info interesting about the song originally being written as an LA song when I read her book well over 20 years ago. She is a good writer who had an 'in' with the band at the time...she worked very closely with Steve Smith when she wrote for Modern Drummer.

Regardless, Perry's not changing the meaning of the song. We all know that it's about The Bay area. Perry was just giving a little bit of fun history behind the song is all.

[Majestic]

. And so I just had it sitting back in the corner. Then life changed my plans once again, and I was now facing joining Journey. I love San Francisco, the bay and the whole thing. 'The bay' fit so nice, 'When the lights go down in the city and the sun shines on the bay.' It was one of those early morning going across the bridge things when the sun was coming up and the lights were going down. It was perfect."

Why even bring up the LA origin when the song is clearly about SF? Not to mention the fact that on an official live release (Captured) you told the world: "We wrote a song about our home town San Francisco. It's called Lights."

The band had not relocated to LA at that time. Not sure where Flans got that from.

The Perry quote was his words from the Joe Benson show's website (sorry if I made it look like that was the quote from the book). I don't have Robyn Flan's book in front of me at the moment, so I don't recall what was written word for word. But I remember finding the info interesting about the song originally being written as an LA song when I read her book well over 20 years ago. She is a good writer who had an 'in' with the band at the time...she worked very closely with Steve Smith when she wrote for Modern Drummer.

Regardless, Perry's not changing the meaning of the song. We all know that it's about The Bay area. Perry was just giving a little bit of fun history behind the song is all.

I agree. People are making much a do about nothing. When Perry would change a word in a song like "Don't stop believin'" from "born and raised in South Detroit" to "...right here in Houston," (while performing in Houston) nobody got upset and said "Now you hold on just a minute, there fellah!" Obviously audiences understand artists love to connect a song with them by catering it to the location. Perry could have changed the lyric as he was singing it from San Francisco to L.A. ("to the city of L-ayyy-iy ayyy-iy....wohhhh ohhhhh...".) as he was singing but instead, he shared some background information about the song's L.A. roots while performing in L.A. it to make a special connection with an L.A. audience. I'm pretty sure Schon knows this too, and his comment is only a way of acknowledging the Perry performance and also having a bit of fun with his audience with some harmless ribbing. Both men are only being entertainers.

[Tomulator]

No. NS is just being a little weasley prick (as usual).

He can't find it within himself to make positive, supporting, congratulatory statements about SP's return to the stage (really...has he even said two words about SP's performances?), so he acts like a spoiled child and makes public "jabs" at Perry as if what SP said about LA was somehow inaccurate and damaging to the current band masquerading as "Journey".

What a jerk. Great guitar player...LOUSY human being!

[Eric]

No. NS is just being a little weasley prick (as usual).

He can't find it within himself to make positive, supporting, congratulatory statements about SP's return to the stage (really...has he even said two words about SP's performances?), so he acts like a spoiled child and makes public "jabs" at Perry as if what SP said about LA was somehow inaccurate and damaging to the current band masquerading as "Journey".

What a jerk. Great guitar player...LOUSY human being!

He said in an interview it was good to hear Perry's voice and he's glad he found someone he's comfortable to do that with. And he hopes that he could see a show if it worked with their schedule.

[Tomulator]

IMO, what SHOULD have happened, is that the "band" (or better yet, just Ross, Cain and Schon) should have released an immediate statement congratulating SP and wishing him the best...similar to what Perry himself did for "Journey" (cough cough) a few years back when they first hired AP and were on the talk show circuit milking it for all it was worth! SMFP coming back like he did was a BIG DEAL.

Tell me where/how I'm wrong...

[Pacfanweb]

IMO, what SHOULD have happened, is that the "band" (or better yet, just Ross, Cain and Schon) should have released an immediate statement congratulating SP and wishing him the best...similar to what Perry himself did for "Journey" (cough cough) a few years back when they first hired AP and were on the talk show circuit milking it for all it was worth! SMFP coming back like he did was a BIG DEAL.

Tell me where/how I'm wrong...

You're not.

IMO, Neal is still bitter, first because Perry left, second...because he won't come back. Lower voice or not, they'd send Arnel back to the Philippines and take Perry back in a second if they thought he'd return.

[annie89509]

Well, the Journey boards were kind of dead a month ago... not much to talk about ... I suppose we should all be glad there is controversy surrounding the band to keep everyone here entertained and conjure up arguments...

This is like back in the early/mid 2000s. There was a segment of the J fanbase that just wished SP would stay a recluse and out of the news. They had a reason to be insecure, whenever SP/Sony came out with re-masters of old stuff, it always sold more than the new Journey -- tenfold. And, heaven forbid SP is out doing publicity and gets more attention than the SA-fronted Journey ... conspiracy takes abound, voiced in BackTalk (Journey's official fan site) and here, that SP schemes to steal the spotlight from Journey.

So, now, we have Neal putting his foot in his big mouth again ... "setting the record straight" about Lights ???? WTH ... we have heard the story about how this song first originated in Steve's mind years ago, as far back as when the Band were together ... and, again, when SP was out on his own, reminiscing (or asked) about the song. Did Neal say anything (contradict SP) any of those times ???? The answer is NO... not once !!! So, what possessed him to "correct" Steve now? I'd like to know.

Of course, we could be jumping on Neal for no good reason...making a mountain out of a mole hill, like someone suggested. Does anyone know what his exact comments were?

[The_Noble_Cause]

IMO, what SHOULD have happened, is that the "band" (or better yet, just Ross, Cain and Schon) should have released an immediate statement congratulating SP and wishing him the best...similar to what Perry himself did for "Journey" (cough cough) a few years back when they first hired AP and were on the talk show circuit milking it for all it was worth! SMFP coming back like he did was a BIG DEAL.

Tell me where/how I'm wrong...

You're not.

IMO, Neal is still bitter,

Actually, you are BOTH wrong. Perry only released a statement when contacted by Oprah. What was he supposed to say? Fuck off? To Oprah? The Queen of daytime talk? Yea, that's a good shart-inducing laugh. I know it's hard for you guys, but let's try to stick to reality, please.

[Art Vandelay]

IMO, what SHOULD have happened, is that the "band" (or better yet, just Ross, Cain and Schon) should have released an immediate statement congratulating SP and wishing him the best...similar to what Perry himself did for "Journey" (cough cough) a few years back when they first hired AP and were on the talk show circuit milking it for all it was worth! SMFP coming back like he did was a BIG DEAL.

Tell me where/how I'm wrong...

You're not.

IMO, Neal is still bitter,

Actually, you are BOTH wrong. Perry only released a statement when contacted by Oprah. What was he supposed to say? Fuck off? To Oprah? The Queen of daytime talk? Yea, that's a good shart-inducing laugh. I know it's hard for you guys, but let's try to stick to reality, please.

Now THAT would be worthy of a hight ticket price to see!!! Really, this is all probably just Neal's showmanship way of acknowledging that he saw Steve's video...I doubt any harm was meant. Who of us really know how these guys would/could break eachothers chops in the past? For all we know, Perry could be laughing at all of this.

[Eric]

Now THAT would be worthy of a hight ticket price to see!!! Really, this is all probably just Neal's showmanship way of acknowledging that he saw Steve's video...I doubt any harm was meant. Who of us really know how these guys would/could break eachothers chops in the past? For all we know, Perry could be laughing at all of this.

Exactly.

[MysteryMountain]

Schon intro'd lights by saying it's not about LA its about San Francisco...

I think it's kind of funny some are arguing about this comment based on nothing more than the few words quoted above. Other than the poster, NOBODY heard "how" Neal said it. We didn't hear any context whatsoever as to how it was said, or lead in. Is there video, so a FAR more educated conclusion or, more accurately, a presumption/assumption (which is all it is at this point) could be made as to Neal's intentions as to why he said it or how he said it? Nope. But "Here We Are", arguing, .. some even condemning, or criticizing Neal as "bitter" from just these few words typed out by a poster who was there. No context whatsoever. Not even an actual quote, just a mention as to how Neal intro'd Lights. Shame on some of you.

[Eric]

Schon intro'd lights by saying it's not about LA its about San Francisco...

I think it's kind of funny some are arguing about this comment based on nothing more than the few words quoted above. Other than the poster, NOBODY heard "how" Neal said it. We didn't hear any context whatsoever as to how it was said, or lead in. Is there video, so a FAR more educated conclusion or, more accurately, a presumption/assumption (which is all it is at this point) could be made as to Neal's intentions as to why he said it or how he said it? Nope. But "Here We Are", arguing, .. some even condemning, or criticizing Neal as "bitter" from just these few words typed out by a poster who was there. No context whatsoever. Not even an actual quote, just a mention as to how Neal intro'd Lights. Shame on some of you.

Yup. I was just trying to highlight anything different from the usual. Ran a bunch of things off the top of mind. I wish I wouldn't even have posted it.

[Gideon]

Caught the band for my 8th? show this past Saturday in Noblesville, IN with one of my best friends, my boss, and his wife. It was the first time any of them had seen Journey and they were blown away.

Arnel still impresses, though he's not quite as good vocally as he was in 2008 or their charity show in Nashville 2012. My boss, a concert connoisseur, says Arnel is as good as any singer and performer he's ever seen and that Neal is by far the best guitarist.

The crowd enjoyed SAM, but enthusiasm was lukewarm for Ritual, but I loved it. Great show. Definitely a B+/A-. Gotta deduct points for a muffled sound mix and the inclusion of LTS.

[tater1977]

That's the best I've heard Arnel. He looks comfortable.

Schon intro'd lights by saying it's not about LA its about San Francisco...

They played "She's a Mystery", "Ritual" and "Dead or Alive" (instead of Tantra, Never Walk Away and La Do Da).

Good crowd.....with a series of T-storms running through.

Probably the worst GH crowd yet. If it wasn't a hit for Miller or Journey.....sit down or piss.

Once again...funny

Ottawa's Blues Fest with JOURNEY 2014 - Part Six

http://youtu.be/HCyzSuww9nI

[nylady]

I could understand NS saying that if they were playing in San Francisco, but in Ottowa, Canada? I'm a NYC gal, and I could care less if Lights was about San Francisco, Los Angeles, or Upper Sandusky. Would think that most fans that are not Bay area folks feel about the same. Oh well, maybe it's just his way of letting Perry know he did watch the videos.

[Majestic]

I could understand NS saying that if they were playing in San Francisco, but in Ottowa, Canada? I'm a NYC gal, and I could care less if Lights was about San Francisco, Los Angeles, or Upper Sandusky. Would think that most fans that are not Bay area folks feel about the same. Oh well, maybe it's just his way of letting Perry know he did watch the videos.

Well, there does seem to be a lot of circumstantial evidence backing Neal's version since Perry was never really part of the band, and L.A. is not a city by "a" bay, let alone "the" bay. Also, there are a number of other cities by bays that need to be ruled out before stating with certainty it is San Francisco. This will be left for future geographers to decide. Meanwhile, the debate will rage on among Journey fans and ancient astronaut theorists.