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Majestic wrote:
Neal gets my respect for his attitude and responses here. Whatever was wrong before, and who ever's fault it was, I think it is unfortunate the Perry cannot overcome it and move on. It would be better for him, even if he never performs again. Bitterness and grudges never accomplish anything but eat you alive. I would like Perry to check out of this world with class, because he sure is an amazing talent.
tater1977 wrote:Majestic wrote:
Neal gets my respect for his attitude and responses here. Whatever was wrong before, and who ever's fault it was, I think it is unfortunate the Perry cannot overcome it and move on. It would be better for him, even if he never performs again. Bitterness and grudges never accomplish anything but eat you alive. I would like Perry to check out of this world with class, because he sure is an amazing talent.
Let's say for the sake of the argument...
SP has gotten over it and has moved on. He has said
many times 'NO reunion' .
OK cool...it's over and done with.
The fans and Neal need to get over it and move on too.
Now think back to your youth.
Did you have a few close friends, or a group you hung with or a close knit work family...where you all worked, played, ate, partied, got into some legal and illegal mischief together, traveled together for a period of years ?
And probably this group knew you better than your own
family did, at that time.
Over the years tensions build, for whatever reason/s.
You forgive and go on, but the tension and cold shoulder is there, from either one or both sides.
Something small ... lights that last short fuse and the shit hits the fan... whatever it was big or small.
Legal problems surface. You and your former friend/s
go your separate ways.
Your mad, your pissed... may even hate them at that time.
As the years pass you get on with your life, enjoying
your family, picking up some parts from your old life
you didn't have time for before...whatever it is / was.
Over time you may run into them somewhere in
public, make small talk or even smile or give them
a nod.
As we grow older we learn and with that comes
wisdom. Unfortunately, common sense doesn't come along with wisdom for some folks.
Now say 15-20 years down the road ... with that wisdom and maturity ... you cherish the good times and good things you've done and wish nothing but the best for each other or for all involved.
Hell you may even chuckle or smirk, thinking back on
some of the shit you did and think...man how did we live thru that. Or I would kill my kid if I found out
they did a certain this or that. It's called growing up, making mistakes and learning.
Years have come and gone. They haven't been part of
your life for years... you've changed, they've changed.
You wish each other the best and life moves on.
Neal keep it classy and just leave at 'SP says NO reunion' .
brywool wrote:They should be standing firm with Arnel IMHO. NOT because I don't love Steve Perry, but because Arnel is JOURNEY'S SINGER NOW. Stand by him and quit kind of dangling the carrot.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:brywool wrote:They should be standing firm with Arnel IMHO. NOT because I don't love Steve Perry, but because Arnel is JOURNEY'S SINGER NOW. Stand by him and quit kind of dangling the carrot.
Neal and the guys have been petty loud and clear that Arnel IS their singer. Deen has gone so far as to say that once Arnel leaves, the band is kaput. Arnel has been celebrated as the focal point of this lineup in a way that Augeri never ever was. Not sure what more Neal can say. On the issue of Perry possibly making an appearance or sitting in, is Neal supposed to say "Fuck that guy. He had his chance."? Neal knows perfectly well that Perry isn't coming back and is taking the high road. As he should.
brywool wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:brywool wrote:They should be standing firm with Arnel IMHO. NOT because I don't love Steve Perry, but because Arnel is JOURNEY'S SINGER NOW. Stand by him and quit kind of dangling the carrot.
Neal and the guys have been petty loud and clear that Arnel IS their singer. Deen has gone so far as to say that once Arnel leaves, the band is kaput. Arnel has been celebrated as the focal point of this lineup in a way that Augeri never ever was. Not sure what more Neal can say. On the issue of Perry possibly making an appearance or sitting in, is Neal supposed to say "Fuck that guy. He had his chance."? Neal knows perfectly well that Perry isn't coming back and is taking the high road. As he should.
No, he's supposed to say "Well Mr. Reporter, Steve has made his feelings quite clear and has for the last 19 years. We are extremely satisfied with Arnel. He's our guy. Now, will you please go bug Jon about making new Journey music?"
yulog wrote:The wife analogy doesn't work here.....as far as I know Arnel is not blowing Neal and/ or Jon ,there is a huge difference once sex is involved
Gina3008 wrote:Arnel IS their singer now and for longer than Steve Perry was.
Neal found Arnel by listening to hundreds of lead singers on YouTube. He punched in male rock - R&B singers and when he heard Arnel's pipes he knew right away he was the man for the job. Now ARNEL is going on his 9th year with the band and has been there the longest of Any lead singer.
Jeremey wrote:I remember one guy in Journey told me this regarding a former member, "He's touched in the head ... I think at this point he may actually believe all the lies he tells ..." Lesson here is, simply saying things loud and often enough doesn't necessarily make them true.
You are absolutely correct. My bad. Thanks, Jeremey.Jeremey wrote:Gina3008 wrote:Arnel IS their singer now and for longer than Steve Perry was.
I saw where Neal Schon said this on Facebook recently and the numbers weren't adding up for me ...
If we jump ahead a few months just to make the math easier, December 2007 – December 2015 is still 8 years right? So 2016 will be Arnel's 9th year ... But if Steve Perry joined in 1977 and walked away from the band in early 1987, 10 years is still longer than 9 years correct?also.
annie89509 wrote:Had to look at the dates to find out if this is a rehashed article. It’s not…but same old “door is always open” and “it’s him that don’t wanna, not us (or me)” response from Neal.
Granted, every interviewer brings up the same old topic, what’s he supposed to say? Well, Neal could try to be a little more like Jon … use tactful language instead of being so damn confrontational.
Some posts in this thread showed the inconsistencies of Neal when it has to do with Steve P. So, another example is Neal’s public statement that Arnel is now Journey’s longest tenured lead singer. (Thanks, Jeremey). Reminds me of the Journey press release in early 2006 that “Steve Augeri is the longest tenured Lead Singer the band has ever had” – to the delight and relish of Augie fans throwing it in the face of Perry fans on the BackTalk forums. We all know how that worked out for SA and the band. Just months into that year’s tour, the sky was falling, and they threw their “longest tenured” lead singer under the bus.
SA joined in 1997…2006 was his 9th year, but he didn’t make it out. Arnel joined in 2007… 2015 is only his 8th year. As Jeremey pointed out, SP spent 10 yrs. in the band (1977-1987…not to mention, the short-lived reunion, 1995-96).
Great guitar player, but math is not Neal’s strong suit.
annie89509 wrote:Had to look at the dates to find out if this is a rehashed article. It’s not…but same old “door is always open” and “it’s him that don’t wanna, not us (or me)” response from Neal.
Granted, every interviewer brings up the same old topic, what’s he supposed to say? Well, Neal could try to be a little more like Jon … use tactful language instead of being so damn confrontational.
Some posts in this thread showed the inconsistencies of Neal when it has to do with Steve P. So, another example is Neal’s public statement that Arnel is now Journey’s longest tenured lead singer. (Thanks, Jeremey). Reminds me of the Journey press release in early 2006 that “Steve Augeri is the longest tenured Lead Singer the band has ever had” – to the delight and relish of Augie fans throwing it in the face of Perry fans on the BackTalk forums. We all know how that worked out for SA and the band. Just months into that year’s tour, the sky was falling, and they threw their “longest tenured” lead singer under the bus.
SA joined in 1997…2006 was his 9th year, but he didn’t make it out. Arnel joined in 2007… 2015 is only his 8th year. As Jeremey pointed out, SP spent 10 yrs. in the band (1977-1987…not to mention, the short-lived reunion, 1995-96).
Great guitar player, but math is not Neal’s strong suit.
annie89509 wrote:Had to look at the dates to find out if this is a rehashed article. It’s not…but same old “door is always open” and “it’s him that don’t wanna, not us (or me)” response from Neal.
Granted, every interviewer brings up the same old topic, what’s he supposed to say? Well, Neal could try to be a little more like Jon … use tactful language instead of being so damn confrontational.
Some posts in this thread showed the inconsistencies of Neal when it has to do with Steve P. So, another example is Neal’s public statement that Arnel is now Journey’s longest tenured lead singer. (Thanks, Jeremey). Reminds me of the Journey press release in early 2006 that “Steve Augeri is the longest tenured Lead Singer the band has ever had” – to the delight and relish of Augie fans throwing it in the face of Perry fans on the BackTalk forums. We all know how that worked out for SA and the band. Just months into that year’s tour, the sky was falling, and they threw their “longest tenured” lead singer under the bus.
SA joined in 1997…2006 was his 9th year, but he didn’t make it out. Arnel joined in 2007… 2015 is only his 8th year. As Jeremey pointed out, SP spent 10 yrs. in the band (1977-1987…not to mention, the short-lived reunion, 1995-96).
Great guitar player, but math is not Neal’s strong suit.
Majestic wrote:annie89509 wrote:Had to look at the dates to find out if this is a rehashed article. It’s not…but same old “door is always open” and “it’s him that don’t wanna, not us (or me)” response from Neal.
Granted, every interviewer brings up the same old topic, what’s he supposed to say? Well, Neal could try to be a little more like Jon … use tactful language instead of being so damn confrontational.
Some posts in this thread showed the inconsistencies of Neal when it has to do with Steve P. So, another example is Neal’s public statement that Arnel is now Journey’s longest tenured lead singer. (Thanks, Jeremey). Reminds me of the Journey press release in early 2006 that “Steve Augeri is the longest tenured Lead Singer the band has ever had” – to the delight and relish of Augie fans throwing it in the face of Perry fans on the BackTalk forums. We all know how that worked out for SA and the band. Just months into that year’s tour, the sky was falling, and they threw their “longest tenured” lead singer under the bus.
SA joined in 1997…2006 was his 9th year, but he didn’t make it out. Arnel joined in 2007… 2015 is only his 8th year. As Jeremey pointed out, SP spent 10 yrs. in the band (1977-1987…not to mention, the short-lived reunion, 1995-96).
Great guitar player, but math is not Neal’s strong suit.
Actually, there was an interview posted on YouTube that also circulated here where Perry himself more or less said the same thing, that it ain't happening. That was to shoot down some early rumor that a reunion could be in the works based on a misreading of his early remarks "we're trying" that were misconstrued by many media outlets.
If you take into account what Perry said, I would say that Neal's story is straight and is exactly what is going on.
Majestic wrote:annie89509 wrote:Had to look at the dates to find out if this is a rehashed article. It’s not…but same old “door is always open” and “it’s him that don’t wanna, not us (or me)” response from Neal.
Granted, every interviewer brings up the same old topic, what’s he supposed to say? Well, Neal could try to be a little more like Jon … use tactful language instead of being so damn confrontational.
Some posts in this thread showed the inconsistencies of Neal when it has to do with Steve P. So, another example is Neal’s public statement that Arnel is now Journey’s longest tenured lead singer. (Thanks, Jeremey). Reminds me of the Journey press release in early 2006 that “Steve Augeri is the longest tenured Lead Singer the band has ever had” – to the delight and relish of Augie fans throwing it in the face of Perry fans on the BackTalk forums. We all know how that worked out for SA and the band. Just months into that year’s tour, the sky was falling, and they threw their “longest tenured” lead singer under the bus.
SA joined in 1997…2006 was his 9th year, but he didn’t make it out. Arnel joined in 2007… 2015 is only his 8th year. As Jeremey pointed out, SP spent 10 yrs. in the band (1977-1987…not to mention, the short-lived reunion, 1995-96).
Great guitar player, but math is not Neal’s strong suit.
I don't think they threw Augeri under the bus. It was certainly an unfortunate situation, but the fact is he couldn't sing anymore and they needed to finish the tour. His voice was shredded doing those songs and he always struggled with them even when he was doing a fair job of them. It seems to me they realized they would either need to shut it down or get a new singer at that point. Perhaps it would have been better if they hung it up over some ethical principle and not "throw him under the bus" but I fail to see how that would be good for the band or how it would even be good for Augeri. As it is, he still gets to sing Journey songs as he is able to, he is performing, he is making music and seems to be in a happy place. Part of the reason he is able to do that is because of the money he made with Journey. As bad as things were, it seems like everything turned out as well as one could hope.
Onestepper wrote:If one person has to go through a lawyer to have any communication with the other person, that is really not a relationship that is healthy in any way.
Not casting judgment, but I have a feeling there is a heck of a lot better chance of Neal being open to taking Perry's call then the other way around. Especially when Neal has to go through a lawyer to see if Steve just wants to have a beer or even a conversation.
Common sense goes a long way in these instances.
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