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I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

JourneyHard wrote:I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

Beautiful song - like many on TBF. But something of a downer. Can't see it in a concert setting tbh.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

Beautiful song - like many on TBF. But something of a downer. Can't see it in a concert setting tbh.

I understand, but it would give Jon a chance to play the piano instrumental. I wonder how it would sound with an orchestra backing it. Perhaps if they make an orchestra album, they could include this one.

JourneyHard wrote:I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

TBF died quickly after it was obvious that Steve Perry was not going to tour. It's not a coincidence that only WYLaW was the only real successful single. Sony may have released singles, but there was no real promotion by the band after Steve Perry dropped out. They had a Grammy nominated song, the hype of the reunion, and could not capitalize on it. NO single was going to be a hit after WYLaW and Message of Love...which were released prior to the album, along with remasters of the entire Journey/Perry catalog, and a big display to set up and sell all of the above at retail. It's obvious Sony made a huge investment in Journey, thinking they had something similar to the Eagles "Hell Freezes Over".

Journey dropped the ball with TBF, and Sony dropped the ball with Arrival. With the attitudes present, I don't think either album could have done any better.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

Beautiful song - like many on TBF. But something of a downer. Can't see it in a concert setting tbh.

Agree. Not really a concert level song. Also got no radio play so the average fan is not going to recognize it at all.

Onestepper wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

Beautiful song - like many on TBF. But something of a downer. Can't see it in a concert setting tbh.

Agree. Not really a concert level song. Also got no radio play so the average fan is not going to recognize it at all.

Had history played out different, the way Journey fans in 1996 had hoped, this could have been a beautiful 'MTV Unplugged' performance.

My favourite Journey song

Onestepper wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

Beautiful song - like many on TBF. But something of a downer. Can't see it in a concert setting tbh.

Agree. Not really a concert level song. Also got no radio play so the average fan is not going to recognize it at all.

If they do an orchestra album, I hope they do more than just the dirty dozen. They need to include some deep cuts that sound good with an orchestra such as Winds of March, Still She Cries, and perhaps Tantra.

Monker wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

TBF died quickly after it was obvious that Steve Perry was not going to tour. It's not a coincidence that only WYLaW was the only real successful single. Sony may have released singles, but there was no real promotion by the band after Steve Perry dropped out. They had a Grammy nominated song, the hype of the reunion, and could not capitalize on it. NO single was going to be a hit after WYLaW and Message of Love...which were released prior to the album, along with remasters of the entire Journey/Perry catalog, and a big display to set up and sell all of the above at retail. It's obvious Sony made a huge investment in Journey, thinking they had something similar to the Eagles "Hell Freezes Over".

Journey dropped the ball with TBF, and Sony dropped the ball with Arrival. With the attitudes present, I don't think either album could have done any better.

Here in Detroit, they played Can't Tame The Lion on the radio back then. I don't know if that was before or after Perry's exit. The problem with TBF and Arrival is too many ballads. We need contrast. A beautiful ballad followed by a rocker followed by a beautiful ballad and then another rocker allows the ballads and rockers to both stand out. Putting an endless stream of ballads in a row makes them bleed together and they do NOT stand apart and they do NOT shine. Look at Escape and Frontiers albums for examples of this. They had contrast. I sure hope the new album has contrast.

JourneyHard wrote:

Monker wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:I still wonder why Journey didn't release Still She Cries from Trial By Fire as a single. To me, it sounds kinda like No Doubt's Don't Speak. Well, it has the same vibe. I think it could have been a big hit back in 1996 or 1997. Perhaps Journey should consider playing this in concert next year.

TBF died quickly after it was obvious that Steve Perry was not going to tour. It's not a coincidence that only WYLaW was the only real successful single. Sony may have released singles, but there was no real promotion by the band after Steve Perry dropped out. They had a Grammy nominated song, the hype of the reunion, and could not capitalize on it. NO single was going to be a hit after WYLaW and Message of Love...which were released prior to the album, along with remasters of the entire Journey/Perry catalog, and a big display to set up and sell all of the above at retail. It's obvious Sony made a huge investment in Journey, thinking they had something similar to the Eagles "Hell Freezes Over".

Journey dropped the ball with TBF, and Sony dropped the ball with Arrival. With the attitudes present, I don't think either album could have done any better.

Here in Detroit, they played Can't Tame The Lion on the radio back then. I don't know if that was before or after Perry's exit. The problem with TBF and Arrival is too many ballads. We need contrast. A beautiful ballad followed by a rocker followed by a beautiful ballad and then another rocker allows the ballads and rockers to both stand out. Putting an endless stream of ballads in a row makes them bleed together and they do NOT stand apart and they do NOT shine. Look at Escape and Frontiers albums for examples of this. They had contrast. I sure hope the new album has contrast.

In Cleveland they were playing "When You Love A Woman" "Message Of Love" and "Can't Tame The Lion" on the radio a lot at the time. WYLAW was getting played on Light Rock stations, and on Classic Rock stations they were playing MOL and CTTL.

Sorry, but the only song that did anything noteworthy nationally is WYLaW. That is a simple fact. I think MoL charted on the rock or AOR chart, or something like that. But, WYLaW was #1 on AC and #12 on Billboard Hot 100. Nothing else from TBF performed like that.

Having "too many ballads" may hurt the album, but it's not going to hurt the singles. Funny how the one big single was a ballad. Perhaps they needed MORE ballads! The problem with TBF was Steve Perry refusing to tour and being fired. The "problem" with Arrival was Sony expecting low sales (which Kevin Shirley even said) and not shipping to retail when they were sold out, and doing virtually NOTHING to promote the album. The Vegas DVD went PLATINUM...there was potential with Arrival, but Sony didn't care...they cared about TBF and the big pay day from that...and they didn't get it.

Monker wrote:Sorry, but the only song that did anything noteworthy nationally is WYLaW. That is a simple fact. I think MoL charted on the rock or AOR chart, or something like that. But, WYLaW was #1 on AC and #12 on Billboard Hot 100. Nothing else from TBF performed like that.

Having "too many ballads" may hurt the album, but it's not going to hurt the singles. Funny how the one big single was a ballad. Perhaps they needed MORE ballads! The problem with TBF was Steve Perry refusing to tour and being fired. The "problem" with Arrival was Sony expecting low sales (which Kevin Shirley even said) and not shipping to retail when they were sold out, and doing virtually NOTHING to promote the album. The Vegas DVD went PLATINUM...there was potential with Arrival, but Sony didn't care...they cared about TBF and the big pay day from that...and they didn't get it.

The past is LITTERED with horrible decisions from Journey management. Remember Me needed a big push with Armageddon even after it got pulled from the end credits. Journey did NOT need more ballads, they still had too many: On Arrival they rightfully added a few rockers but they should've still pulled a ballad or two....or at least tracked the album better. RED13 needed a real mix but it was Journey's best output for me. 4 different style songs showcasing their range. Still, re-releasing it with new cover art and NO promotional push was useless. Generations also needed a better mix, more teamwork writing, and more cohesive sound by not giving everyone a lead vocal. Giving it away with the tour ticket was fine but the album didn't sound finished yet.

And the band sent so many mixed messages: Steve sounds like "rock" but they load up with ballads. Journey wants to rock more so they drop Open Arms, then cave to audience. Journey wants to move forward and not be a nostalgia band but they don't support any new music (other than Higher Place) on most tours.

Back top ballads, they were the only songs that were ever going to chart well. All The Way did fair. As did After All These Years. Adult Contemporary was/is the only radio that will play new music from a classic band but it won't be rock.

LOVE this track.....its as beautiful as it is sad....

And....both lyrically and musically, I think this is one track where SP, Jon and Neal equally shine....really bringing the track forward with a nice groove backing from SS and Ross.

And the cherry on top of the cake.....the subtle, restrained string arrangement.

TBF had some gems indeed. One of my favourite records till this day.