jrnyman28 wrote:Sorta like how they jumped the gun in announcing JSS as Augeri's replacement....
ebake02 wrote:jrnyman28 wrote:Sorta like how they jumped the gun in announcing JSS as Augeri's replacement....
If he was ever really actually in band at all in the first place.
DK23 wrote:Neal posted on Facebook a vid of him playing. The caption for his video had the 2022 tour information, and so I asked him who would be playing bass for the tour. He replied Todd Jensen. Seems like Randy is officially out of the band beyond maybe some publicity for when the album releases.
https://fb.watch/9jIiAGf1zT/
Kind of a bummer, I’m sure more than a few of us were hoping we would get a surprise and he would play on tour for at least some of the shows.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:DK23 wrote:Neal posted on Facebook a vid of him playing. The caption for his video had the 2022 tour information, and so I asked him who would be playing bass for the tour. He replied Todd Jensen. Seems like Randy is officially out of the band beyond maybe some publicity for when the album releases.
https://fb.watch/9jIiAGf1zT/
Kind of a bummer, I’m sure more than a few of us were hoping we would get a surprise and he would play on tour for at least some of the shows.
It's disappointing. But at least we have him on the new cd. The one press release I read says this about the tour lineup...
"JOURNEY features founder Neal Schon (lead guitarist), Jonathan Cain (keyboards, backing vocals), Arnel Pineda (lead vocals) Jason Derlatka (keyboards, backing vocals), and Deen Castranovo (drums, backing vocals)."
For whatever reason, they are leaving the bassist position open.
jrnyman28 wrote:I'm sure they left it open because Todd isn't a "member" and might not be available for all the dates.
Monker wrote:jrnyman28 wrote:I'm sure they left it open because Todd isn't a "member" and might not be available for all the dates.
Deen and Arnel are not "member's" either. Schon and Cain are the only member's of Journey.
If you read Ross's counter suit you will see that the agreement for the Pretenders tour named the players in the band. So, Todd Jensen is named in the tour contract but Schon/Cain do not want him permanent or left him out of the tour contract so they can be Spinal Tap and have the bass player be whoever decides to show up.
FamilyMan wrote:All throughout the pandemic, we were led to believe the "new" Journey would be Randy on bass and Narada on drums. Now, we get neither one. Really disappointing.
jrnyman28 wrote:Semantics, you know what I meant. Arnel may not be a controlling member, he may be contractual, but he is a member of Journey. Deen, with his history, may also be contractual, but he is accepted as a member. Todd, is likely 100% a touring fill-in.
Monker wrote:So, Todd Jensen is named in the tour contract but Schon/Cain do not want him permanent or left him out of the tour contract so they can be Spinal Tap and have the bass player be whoever decides to show up.
FamilyMan wrote:All throughout the pandemic, we were led to believe the "new" Journey would be Randy on bass and Narada on drums. Now, we get neither one. Really disappointing.
jrnyman28 wrote:I understand that Neal and Jon own the name so they "are Journey", but Arnel was hired to be the singer in Journey as a member of the band. And before him, Deen was hired to be the drummer as a member of the band. If you recall, what Journey moved on without Perry they were required to list the members of the band on the cover of Arrival, that included Steve and Deen. There was a press release announcing Narada and Randy as members of Journey. Todd is likely only hired as a touring member.
It is possible to be a hired member of the band, hired by the owners of the name....
Monker wrote:Neal and Jon do NOT own the Journey name. Nightmare does. They license the use to Neal and Jon's corporate entity....that is Journey. All these other people are EMPLOYEES of Journey.
Listing the players on Arrival was to show to the public that Steve Perry was not in the band. It was not some type of proof of anything beyond that.
Neals lawsuit boldly claimed that Smith and Vallory were Sidemen. That is how JOURNEY views them. Meaningless and replaceable...and that is how they have been treated for the past year or so.jrnyman28 wrote:I understand that Neal and Jon own the name so they "are Journey", but Arnel was hired to be the singer in Journey as a member of the band. And before him, Deen was hired to be the drummer as a member of the band. If you recall, what Journey moved on without Perry they were required to list the members of the band on the cover of Arrival, that included Steve and Deen. There was a press release announcing Narada and Randy as members of Journey. Todd is likely only hired as a touring member.
It is possible to be a hired member of the band, hired by the owners of the name....
Monker wrote:Exactly....and they could have taken that lineup on tour for a 40th anniversary of the Escape album.
FamilyMan wrote:
Legal disputes, contracts and Neal rants not withstanding, the FANS care who's on stage with them. I think Journey managed to fill arenas again in recent years in part because it was the closest thing to the Escape/Frontiers lineup since Perry left.
Onestepper wrote:FamilyMan wrote:
Legal disputes, contracts and Neal rants not withstanding, the FANS care who's on stage with them. I think Journey managed to fill arenas again in recent years in part because it was the closest thing to the Escape/Frontiers lineup since Perry left.
The average fan doesn't give a damn about who's on stage, as long as they sound like the Journey they grew up with. Most of my friends that are good but casual Journey fans have no idea who is playing base or drums, etc. They still refer to Arnel as "the guy from the Philippines that sounds like Steve Perry". The hard core fans, yes, stuff like this matters. But for the most people don't care about the individual players.
FamilyMan wrote: I think Journey managed to fill arenas again in recent years in part because it was the closest thing to the Escape/Frontiers lineup since Perry left.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The consolation is we get the new album with Randy and Narada (hopefully).
Onestepper wrote:FamilyMan wrote:
Legal disputes, contracts and Neal rants not withstanding, the FANS care who's on stage with them. I think Journey managed to fill arenas again in recent years in part because it was the closest thing to the Escape/Frontiers lineup since Perry left.
The average fan doesn't give a damn about who's on stage, as long as they sound like the Journey they grew up with. Most of my friends that are good but casual Journey fans have no idea who is playing base or drums, etc. They still refer to Arnel as "the guy from the Philippines that sounds like Steve Perry". The hard core fans, yes, stuff like this matters. But for the most people don't care about the individual players.
Monker wrote:Onestepper wrote:FamilyMan wrote:
Legal disputes, contracts and Neal rants not withstanding, the FANS care who's on stage with them. I think Journey managed to fill arenas again in recent years in part because it was the closest thing to the Escape/Frontiers lineup since Perry left.
The average fan doesn't give a damn about who's on stage, as long as they sound like the Journey they grew up with. Most of my friends that are good but casual Journey fans have no idea who is playing base or drums, etc. They still refer to Arnel as "the guy from the Philippines that sounds like Steve Perry". The hard core fans, yes, stuff like this matters. But for the most people don't care about the individual players.
With some creative marketing, they would care.
Create a YouTube video where on the left side you clips from the MTV Escape concert, on the right side have clips from modern concerts...have "Then" and "Now" above each. Go through each band member and show a clip of them performing DSB. At the bottom of the screen, announce each member. When it gets to Arnel, have Perry's HOF quote posted where he endorsed Arnel. At the end have a Journey logo displayed and an announcer say, "Journey presents a celebration of their most successful album." The Journey logo turns into an Escape logo and the Perry audio is heard from the Escape concert where he announced Escape was the #1 album in the nation. Then "On tour 2020 - 2021"....or whatever dates it would have been.
Have that youtube be an made into an ad on Facebook and Twitter.
THEN people would care.
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