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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfOLcJVmwVw

https://youtu.be/zYUVnj1_2YM

https://youtu.be/rnuOhDwc6LM
Derlekta and DeenO should be singing more. This is really good from 4/1 in Sacramento.

Extended end to “Send her my Love” last night in New Orleans. REALLY COOL!

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Eric wrote:Extended end to “Send her my Love” last night in New Orleans. REALLY COOL!

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ARNEL! In that extended end!

Jon and Neal need to revisit their idea of having two shows in every city with one being the dirty dozen for the casual fans and one being deep cuts for the hardcore fan. This would be very interesting. Let ticket sales show which fans are going to these shows. I know people will probably say more casual fans are going, but with a band like Journey, they must have a lot of hardcore fans. Let's find out!

JourneyHard wrote:Jon and Neal need to revisit their idea of having two shows in every city with one being the dirty dozen for the casual fans and one being deep cuts for the hardcore fan. This would be very interesting. Let ticket sales show which fans are going to these shows. I know people will probably say more casual fans are going, but with a band like Journey, they must have a lot of hardcore fans. Let's find out!

This idea goes back 15+ years and is likely the impetus for JTT. I don't think it will ever happen. I don't think Jon wants anything to do with that (he barely looks like he wants anything to do with Journey touring at all). But I would be so down to see Journey play a smaller venue doing deep cuts and early tracks!

Journey need to at least do one show that they then release on DVD and maybe even CD where they perform nothing but deep cuts and with a lot of them being ROCKERS!

Next year will be Journey's 50th Anniversary! It would be a perfect year to do a two-show tour with the first show being the dirty dozen and maybe a few new tunes from Freedom, and then a second show where they do pre-Perry songs and all the deep cuts from Perry's time with the band plus new songs and anything else they want including from Arrival and so on.
Maybe 2023 will see this happen.

Journey/Survivor wrote:Journey need to at least do one show that they then release on DVD and maybe even CD where they perform nothing but deep cuts and with a lot of them being ROCKERS!

What they should have done is used the time in Vegas to record the Freedom songs live in concert, and released it HSAS style. The production would have been better - it couldn't be worse. It would have saved a ton of time for the dozen "sound engineers" and the album could have been released sooner. And, there would have been a preview of the entire album from crappy mobile phone videos.

jrnyman28 wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:Jon and Neal need to revisit their idea of having two shows in every city with one being the dirty dozen for the casual fans and one being deep cuts for the hardcore fan. This would be very interesting. Let ticket sales show which fans are going to these shows. I know people will probably say more casual fans are going, but with a band like Journey, they must have a lot of hardcore fans. Let's find out!

This idea goes back 15+ years and is likely the impetus for JTT. I don't think it will ever happen. I don't think Jon wants anything to do with that (he barely looks like he wants anything to do with Journey touring at all). But I would be so down to see Journey play a smaller venue doing deep cuts and early tracks!

There is also the logistics of finding two venues in every city that have open slots around the same time...and both of them being affiliated with their limited venue owner they go through now, which I can't even remember the name of. There is just no way this is possible. Also, I doubt a venue would agree to two concerts....one that may fill the arena, and one for "dedicated fans who want deep cuts" which may not even fill half of it. No reason to do that.

Also, I think JTT ended up being Neal's way of taking over the Journey name and doing whatever he wanted to with it...and that is what started the entire lawsuit thing, with Nightmare suing Neal before it went too far.

Monker wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:Jon and Neal need to revisit their idea of having two shows in every city with one being the dirty dozen for the casual fans and one being deep cuts for the hardcore fan. This would be very interesting. Let ticket sales show which fans are going to these shows. I know people will probably say more casual fans are going, but with a band like Journey, they must have a lot of hardcore fans. Let's find out!

This idea goes back 15+ years and is likely the impetus for JTT. I don't think it will ever happen. I don't think Jon wants anything to do with that (he barely looks like he wants anything to do with Journey touring at all). But I would be so down to see Journey play a smaller venue doing deep cuts and early tracks!

There is also the logistics of finding two venues in every city that have open slots around the same time...and both of them being affiliated with their limited venue owner they go through now, which I can't even remember the name of. There is just no way this is possible. Also, I doubt a venue would agree to two concerts....one that may fill the arena, and one for "dedicated fans who want deep cuts" which may not even fill half of it. No reason to do that.

Also, I think JTT ended up being Neal's way of taking over the Journey name and doing whatever he wanted to with it...and that is what started the entire lawsuit thing, with Nightmare suing Neal before it went too far.

Hey could you elaborate on this? What lawsuit? Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. Very interested in what this is all about. Thanks!

19td73 wrote:Hey could you elaborate on this? What lawsuit? Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. Very interested in what this is all about. Thanks!

Nightmare sued JTT/Neal claiming trademark violations....essentially that they were coming too close to copying Journey trademarks that they needed. This includes logos/graphics and they were being advertised.

Neal then sued Nightmare, Steve Smith, and Ross Valory claiming that Steve and Ross were trying to take over Journey via Nightmare. They (Schon/Cain) claimed that there was a meeting that occurred where Steve and Ross were voted into leadership positions at Nightmare and Jon and Neal were voted out...and documents had a forged e-signatures that allowed the meeting. Schon/Cain also claimed this was Smith/Valory's retirement plan. Neal also insists they did not want to record. That is why Smith and Valory are not in the band. Then Ross counter sued basically saying Schon/Cain's suit was baseless and they wanted to be paid for the next tour they were to be part of...which would have been Journey/Pretenders which never happened. Neal hired replacements for Smith/Valory in Narada and Randy Jackson, they did one live Zoom thing over the internet, and are in the animated video, and are on the new album....but this version never shared a concert stage and performed.

The lawsuits were settled out of court early last year. Not sure about the original Nightmare suit over the trademark. It's probably irrelevant because JTT seems to no longer exist....and that may also be part of the settlement.

There is also some weird lawsuit against Frontiers that has something to do with a misrepresentation and some of their employees are located in France...It was not publicized much I don't really understand what Journey's complaint is.

Monker wrote:

19td73 wrote:Hey could you elaborate on this? What lawsuit? Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. Very interested in what this is all about. Thanks!

Nightmare sued JTT/Neal claiming trademark violations....essentially that they were coming too close to copying Journey trademarks that they needed. This includes logos/graphics and they were being advertised.

Neal then sued Nightmare, Steve Smith, and Ross Valory claiming that Steve and Ross were trying to take over Journey via Nightmare. They (Schon/Cain) claimed that there was a meeting that occurred where Steve and Ross were voted into leadership positions at Nightmare and Jon and Neal were voted out...and documents had a forged e-signatures that allowed the meeting. Schon/Cain also claimed this was Smith/Valory's retirement plan. Neal also insists they did not want to record. That is why Smith and Valory are not in the band. Then Ross counter sued basically saying Schon/Cain's suit was baseless and they wanted to be paid for the next tour they were to be part of...which would have been Journey/Pretenders which never happened. Neal hired replacements for Smith/Valory in Narada and Randy Jackson, they did one live Zoom thing over the internet, and are in the animated video, and are on the new album....but this version never shared a concert stage and performed.

The lawsuits were settled out of court early last year. Not sure about the original Nightmare suit over the trademark. It's probably irrelevant because JTT seems to no longer exist....and that may also be part of the settlement.

There is also some weird lawsuit against Frontiers that has something to do with a misrepresentation and some of their employees are located in France...It was not publicized much I don't really understand what Journey's complaint is.

Thanks Monker! I was a aware of the Smith/Valory lawsuit but was just curious about nightmare one. Very intresting cause I was hoping for more JTT at the time and wondered why it was shelved or why I havent heard Neal talking about it for the last couple of years. Thanks again for the reply! Peace.

How does anybody know the second show will have only half the tickets sold? Until they actually have two shows in every city, it is all guessing. Journey has millions of hard-core fans in every state. The second show might actually have more ticket sales. We don't know.

If they are too afraid to try two shows in every city, I guess Journey can do another two-hour plus show for their 50th Anniversary next year. They did it before where they played pre-Perry material and some Infinity tracks then had an intermission and then they played the other hits and deep cuts and new material.

But the deep cuts will anger the casual fans and hearing the hits again will be tedious for hardcore fans. I was just trying to make everybody happy with two separate shows.