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So I saw a video the other day from The Real Music Observer and it peaked my curiosity, as most court cases do. Did some digging. Found this. Essentially Neal alleges that Jon is not allowing him access to the corporate Amex and therefore (I think) Neal is assuming that Jon is controlling more than 50% of the profits. I'm not sure if that's the case or Neal is saying he wants access to the Amex and separately, Jon feels Neal is not entitled to 50%. Also stuff about Jon not paying crew, not responding timely to booking opportunities, etc.

Either way, another situation that sucks because adults can't mediate with each other to a solution that works for all.

https://odyportal.cc-courts.org/Portal/ ... =False&p=0


Orig video I saw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnFMQPoyRp0

So in the past two years Neal has had legal battles with every member from the ESCAPE line up.

Way to manage the band, Neal.

Art Vandelay wrote:So in the past two years Neal has had legal battles with every member from the ESCAPE line up.

Way to manage the band, Neal.

The blame should go back to Steve Perry when he fired Herbie Herbert. I know Herbie is gone, but he should have been manager of Journey until the day he died. He always preached about sharing profits from the band equally. Even Steve Smith and Ross Vallory got an equal share even if they didn't deserve it. But Perry trashed all that and fired them and fired Herbie Herbert as well. Now, look at the court battles and so on and so forth. It could have all been avoided.

JourneyHard wrote:

Art Vandelay wrote:So in the past two years Neal has had legal battles with every member from the ESCAPE line up.

Way to manage the band, Neal.

The blame should go back to Steve Perry when he fired Herbie Herbert. I know Herbie is gone, but he should have been manager of Journey until the day he died. He always preached about sharing profits from the band equally. Even Steve Smith and Ross Vallory got an equal share even if they didn't deserve it. But Perry trashed all that and fired them and fired Herbie Herbert as well. Now, look at the court battles and so on and so forth. It could have all been avoided.

I wrote a thing, but after thinking about it, I really don't know shit.

I don't know why all of the guys in the band are fighting over all of this stuff? It's my band! I own Journey.

I know this because my TV is constantly telling me, and I quote "IT'S YOUR JOURNEY, OWN IT."

So I listened to my TV, and I own Journey.

Sounds like Jon doesn't give a fuck

Ya ever want a prime example of adult men being successful in-spite of themselves and never growing up, just look at Journey. You couldn't find a better case study.

Onestepper wrote:Ya ever want a prime example of adult men being successful in-spite of themselves and never growing up, just look at Journey. You couldn't find a better case study.

Seriously!! I got my girlfriend into Journey much more hardcore after we started dating years ago, and its always entertaining to relay all the behind the scenes drama to her and see the reaction.....its better than a friggin soap opera sometimes!! Her overall response after laughing and shaking her head at this point is "why can't these guys just hash out whatever bullshit they have going on behind closed doors instead of bringing it out into the public eye and just play their instruments!?" A bunch of 70 year old men bickering on social media isn't the best look for anyone that wants to be taken seriously. Sure, I know there are legal issues that should be resolved, but no need to do it so much in the public eye.

Loneman1 wrote:

Onestepper wrote:Ya ever want a prime example of adult men being successful in-spite of themselves and never growing up, just look at Journey. You couldn't find a better case study.

Seriously!! I got my girlfriend into Journey much more hardcore after we started dating years ago, and its always entertaining to relay all the behind the scenes drama to her and see the reaction.....its better than a friggin soap opera sometimes!! Her overall response after laughing and shaking her head at this point is "why can't these guys just hash out whatever bullshit they have going on behind closed doors instead of bringing it out into the public eye and just play their instruments!?" A bunch of 70 year old men bickering on social media isn't the best look for anyone that wants to be taken seriously. Sure, I know there are legal issues that should be resolved, but no need to do it so much in the public eye.

The thing is it's not a bunch old old men arguing on Twitter. It's one old guy. The rest are keeping it behind closed doors, outside of the public documents. Although with this Amex thing, I have not heard Neal say anything.

Memorex wrote:

Loneman1 wrote:

Onestepper wrote:Ya ever want a prime example of adult men being successful in-spite of themselves and never growing up, just look at Journey. You couldn't find a better case study.

Seriously!! I got my girlfriend into Journey much more hardcore after we started dating years ago, and its always entertaining to relay all the behind the scenes drama to her and see the reaction.....its better than a friggin soap opera sometimes!! Her overall response after laughing and shaking her head at this point is "why can't these guys just hash out whatever bullshit they have going on behind closed doors instead of bringing it out into the public eye and just play their instruments!?" A bunch of 70 year old men bickering on social media isn't the best look for anyone that wants to be taken seriously. Sure, I know there are legal issues that should be resolved, but no need to do it so much in the public eye.

The thing is it's not a bunch old old men arguing on Twitter. It's one old guy. The rest are keeping it behind closed doors, outside of the public documents. Although with this Amex thing, I have not heard Neal say anything.

Yeah that is a good point.....with all the public stuff, I kinda forget that it is all coming from mostly one source. The others have the sense to do it as adults.

Memorex wrote:

JourneyHard wrote:

Art Vandelay wrote:So in the past two years Neal has had legal battles with every member from the ESCAPE line up.

Way to manage the band, Neal.

The blame should go back to Steve Perry when he fired Herbie Herbert. I know Herbie is gone, but he should have been manager of Journey until the day he died. He always preached about sharing profits from the band equally. Even Steve Smith and Ross Vallory got an equal share even if they didn't deserve it. But Perry trashed all that and fired them and fired Herbie Herbert as well. Now, look at the court battles and so on and so forth. It could have all been avoided.

I wrote a thing, but after thinking about it, I really don't know shit.

There was an article posted here a couple years ago that had Herbie saying that Journey's biggest issue was Neal Schon. Neal quickly took to Twitter and said that he explained some things to Herbie and now Herbie understands. But, Herbie never publicly took it back. It's pretty obvious now that he is right, Neal is Journey's biggest problem.

All you have to do is reread the Castles Burning interview and see that Herbie would have never managed Journey into the TBF era. If Herbie were managing, we would have had Kevin Chalfant and NOT Steve Perry. So, that is the historic choice, Steve Perry in the band with new management or Herbie managing the band without Steve Perry.

Journey/Survivor wrote:I don't know why all of the guys in the band are fighting over all of this stuff? It's my band! I own Journey.

I know this because my TV is constantly telling me, and I quote "IT'S YOUR JOURNEY, OWN IT."

So I listened to my TV, and I own Journey.

As far as I know, Neal is the only one who says it is his band.

Also, reading this doesn't even make sense. NoMoTa does not own Journey. It had a license to perform and record Journey music following TBF and prior to Freedom. Now Freedom LLC has that license. The entire thing is about a use of a credit card and Neal not being able to see the activity on it....stupid shit all around. It doesn't matter what activity is on that card, Neal is going to flip

Yeah, Neal has now sued Jon, Steve Smith, Ross Valory, Steve Perry (as part of Nightmare), and even Herbie (as part of Nightmare). He sued Frontiers for reasons I still don't understand and it was never reported on. And, he has been sued by Steve Perry, Ross Valory, and Nightmare.

The entire Journey situation is ridiculous...and has been for years now.

A few things that I question from scanning that.

1. Perry has to be thankful every day that he doesn’t have to deal with Neal.
2. Who is the manager of Journey? I’ve read that it’s Neal, but the docs say it’s Neal and Jon. If it’s both, it sounds like Neal is getting very power hungry.
3. Cain deems some people as non essential. Is that other band members, just the touring folks? That’s not a good look on him.
4. This band needs a real management team asap.

Monker wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:I don't know why all of the guys in the band are fighting over all of this stuff? It's my band! I own Journey.

I know this because my TV is constantly telling me, and I quote "IT'S YOUR JOURNEY, OWN IT."

So I listened to my TV, and I own Journey.

As far as I know, Neal is the only one who says it is his band.

Also, reading this doesn't even make sense. NoMoTa does not own Journey. It had a license to perform and record Journey music following TBF and prior to Freedom. Now Freedom LLC has that license. The entire thing is about a use of a credit card and Neal not being able to see the activity on it....stupid shit all around. It doesn't matter what activity is on that card, Neal is going to flip

Yeah, Neal has now sued Jon, Steve Smith, Ross Valory, Steve Perry (as part of Nightmare), and even Herbie (as part of Nightmare). He sued Frontiers for reasons I still don't understand and it was never reported on. And, he has been sued by Steve Perry, Ross Valory, and Nightmare.

The entire Journey situation is ridiculous...and has been for years now.

I don't think the Perry thing is a lawsuit. It's a filing with the place that handed out the Trademarks asking them to reverse the Trademarks.

Other than the fact that it seems like Steve should have been consulted on the Trademark thing, I am 100% behind Neal getting to the bottom of everything. If it's all about money and control, fine. Who in the entire scope of Journey deserves more at this point than Neal? It doesn't sound like his is trying to stiff anyone. It doesn't sound like he is trying to take it all for himself. It sounds to me like he is saying lets all play fair, but shed some light on everything so fair can be determined. I guarantee this stuff happens with a lot of older bands and we just don't hear about it.

I know that it wasn't particularly funny. But I was making reference to a Hyundai commercial where they say "It's your Journey, own it."

Earlier today I heard a commercial for a company called Journey Restoration, and the very next commercial was for Hyundai where they use the "It's your journey, own it."

Journey/Survivor wrote:I know that it wasn't particularly funny. But I was making reference to a Hyundai commercial where they say "It's your Journey, own it."

Earlier today I heard a commercial for a company called Journey Restoration, and the very next commercial was for Hyundai where they use the "It's your journey, own it."

I got it. It was funny.

Memorex wrote:So I saw a video the other day from The Real Music Observer

There's your first mistake. Total clown. Not to mention racist, anti-vax, conspiracy theory spreading douchebag.

UrbanCoyote wrote:Sounds like Jon doesn't give a fuck

Jon is a miserable shit. Time to go. Get Rolie back.

"Idle hands are the devil's workshop." It's as if we should expect lawsuits every time a tour ends.
Do these guys actually have two jobs? Touring and suing?
At one time, details of an occasional suit were somewhat entertaining.
Now it's become laughable, and just plain pitiful.


later~

JourneyHard wrote:

Art Vandelay wrote:So in the past two years Neal has had legal battles with every member from the ESCAPE line up.

Way to manage the band, Neal.

The blame should go back to Steve Perry when he fired Herbie Herbert. I know Herbie is gone, but he should have been manager of Journey until the day he died. He always preached about sharing profits from the band equally. Even Steve Smith and Ross Vallory got an equal share even if they didn't deserve it. But Perry trashed all that and fired them and fired Herbie Herbert as well. Now, look at the court battles and so on and so forth. It could have all been avoided.

Uh...no! Blame Anysley Dunbar. He got that lawsuit ball rolling first.

jestor92 wrote:A few things that I question from scanning that.

1. Perry has to be thankful every day that he doesn’t have to deal with Neal.
2. Who is the manager of Journey? I’ve read that it’s Neal, but the docs say it’s Neal and Jon. If it’s both, it sounds like Neal is getting very power hungry.
3. Cain deems some people as non essential. Is that other band members, just the touring folks? That’s not a good look on him.
4. This band needs a real management team asap.

I agree with all 4 points.

Monker wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:I don't know why all of the guys in the band are fighting over all of this stuff? It's my band! I own Journey.

I know this because my TV is constantly telling me, and I quote "IT'S YOUR JOURNEY, OWN IT."

So I listened to my TV, and I own Journey.

As far as I know, Neal is the only one who says it is his band.

Also, reading this doesn't even make sense. NoMoTa does not own Journey. It had a license to perform and record Journey music following TBF and prior to Freedom. Now Freedom LLC has that license. The entire thing is about a use of a credit card and Neal not being able to see the activity on it....stupid shit all around. It doesn't matter what activity is on that card, Neal is going to flip

Yeah, Neal has now sued Jon, Steve Smith, Ross Valory, Steve Perry (as part of Nightmare), and even Herbie (as part of Nightmare). He sued Frontiers for reasons I still don't understand and it was never reported on. And, he has been sued by Steve Perry, Ross Valory, and Nightmare.

The entire Journey situation is ridiculous...and has been for years now.

Steve is not suing anyone Monker. Its a petition only.

Andrew wrote:

UrbanCoyote wrote:Sounds like Jon doesn't give a fuck

Jon is a miserable shit. Time to go. Get Rolie back.

QFT! Has been for a very long time!

Andrew wrote:

Memorex wrote:So I saw a video the other day from The Real Music Observer

There's your first mistake. Total clown. Not to mention racist, anti-vax, conspiracy theory spreading douchebag.

In other words, everything in that video is click bait horseshit?

ebake02 wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Memorex wrote:So I saw a video the other day from The Real Music Observer

There's your first mistake. Total clown. Not to mention racist, anti-vax, conspiracy theory spreading douchebag.

In other words, everything in that video is click bait horseshit?

I haven't seen the video or any from his channel in some years. But last I looked it was all click-bait speculation and incorrect opinions.

The link in the original post no longer works. Is this document available somewhere?

danielb wrote:The link in the original post no longer works. Is this document available somewhere?

Still works for me.

Marzdog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

UrbanCoyote wrote:Sounds like Jon doesn't give a fuck

Jon is a miserable shit. Time to go. Get Rolie back.

QFT! Has been for a very long time!

Ha when I'm onstage I'm going to try to remember how bored and ticked off Jon looks and never smiles and the same goes for Queensryche . I've seen both bands this year. Trying to smile as much as I can.

Andrew wrote:I haven't seen the video or any from his channel in some years. But last I looked it was all click-bait speculation and incorrect opinions.

A while back he was whining and complaining about Little River Band...taking Housden's side saying it's not his fault everybody quit the band and left him with the rights (which is completely NOT what happened). Then he was making fun of Beeb Birtles name. Ridiculous shit. Then he gets an interview with Beeb and suddenly he completely changes his mind and asks other former members to come on his show and be interviewed by him (could you imagine Glen Shorrock or Graham Goble, and especially John Farnham, on a video of his?). All bullshit just trying to get clicks with controversy and "celebrity" guests....and completely ignorant comments and opinions.

There was even one video where he spent time commenting on Perry's daughter. That it was a rumor, or maybe not a rumor. But, he didn't want to dive too far into these guys personal lives...but he felt he should comment on it because fans comment on it...just adding his two cents. Just feeding off of controversy....ridiculous crap.

What I hate is he turns off comments so you can't even correct his bullshit. It's just not worth reading.

Monker wrote:A while back he was whining and complaining about Little River Band...taking Housden's side saying it's not his fault everybody quit the band and left him with the rights (which is completely NOT what happened). Then he was making fun of Beeb Birtles name. Ridiculous shit. Then he gets an interview with Beeb and suddenly he completely changes his mind and asks other former members to come on his show and be interviewed by him (could you imagine Glen Shorrock or Graham Goble, and especially John Farnham, on a video of his?). All bullshit just trying to get clicks with controversy and "celebrity" guests....and completely ignorant comments and opinions.

There was even one video where he spent time commenting on Perry's daughter. That it was a rumor, or maybe not a rumor. But, he didn't want to dive too far into these guys personal lives...but he felt he should comment on it because fans comment on it...just adding his two cents. Just feeding off of controversy....ridiculous crap.

What I hate is he turns off comments so you can't even correct his bullshit. It's just not worth reading.

Sounds about the same as when I last looked a few years ago. Constant flip-flopping, trying to find some kind of angle or allies to desperately cling to in order to propel himself into self designed importance of some stature.