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Nice to see this back in the set.

Everybody sounds good. Jon is using a crazy amount of reverb (or something).

https://youtu.be/1w0wxB5BK_A?si=6W1HKi2rkmZ-RMO2

Here's Steve Perry/Journey lip syncing from 1979 on Midnight special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUYsy2MD54

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Nice to see this back in the set.

Everybody sounds good. Jon is using a crazy amount of reverb (or something).

https://youtu.be/1w0wxB5BK_A?si=6W1HKi2rkmZ-RMO2

That sounds great!

Journey/Survivor wrote:Here's Steve Perry/Journey lip syncing from 1979 on Midnight special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUYsy2MD54

Very cool to hear FTW. Not sure why you're sharing this here, though.

Art Vandelay wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:Here's Steve Perry/Journey lip syncing from 1979 on Midnight special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUYsy2MD54

Very cool to hear FTW. Not sure why you're sharing this here, though.

I couldn't remember which thread all of the talk was going on in about Pineda lip syncing on one particular TV appearance recently? I would have posted this in that thread if I remembered which thread that it was.

The only reason that I posted the part about the lip syncing is to help verify that it is at least somewhat common for bands to lip sync on TV appearances. Nothing more, nothing less.

Journey/Survivor wrote:

Art Vandelay wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:Here's Steve Perry/Journey lip syncing from 1979 on Midnight special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUYsy2MD54

Very cool to hear FTW. Not sure why you're sharing this here, though.

I couldn't remember which thread all of the talk was going on in about Pineda lip syncing on one particular TV appearance recently? I would have posted this in that thread if I remembered which thread that it was.

The only reason that I posted the part about the lip syncing is to help verify that it is at least somewhat common for bands to lip sync on TV appearances. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anybody's opinion on this board about reasons for lip syncing performances on TV are just that. Opinions. Unless you know...you don't know. Yes, the link you shared was definitely performed to the album tracks. Why was this decided? Who knows for sure. They killed it live the year before on the Midnight Special and the jam session was live during this performance. My guess, and again this is just a guess like everyone else's here, is that they were trying to preserve Steve's voice. Take a look at the Evolution tour schedule. This episode aired May 18th, not sure if it was live or taped. Either way, by May 18th they would have done 16 shows with one day off, and a massive amount of dates with limited breaks after this, straight through to September. Would I choose to back off of the vocals if I could for a one-off performance? Hell yeah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_Tour_(Journey)

Journey/Survivor wrote:The only reason that I posted the part about the lip syncing is to help verify that it is at least somewhat common for bands to lip sync on TV appearances.

If it was so common in the Pineda era, posters like you could have easily pointed to other recent televised clips. Instead, you’re resorting to digging up old musty bullshit. Up until this year, all of their prominent TV appearances, (ex. Ryan Seacrest NYE, Oprah, CNN broadcast, IHeartRadio), were 100% live. It’s completely legitimate to ask WHY and WHAT changed. Could be technical reasons, or AP jet lag. You don’t know, and I don’t know. It was never common for JRNY to do this at all.

Additionally, the band nearly imploded because of lip syncing. For this reason alone, even when done for completely valid reasons, they should steer clear of it.

In the public consciousness, the bar to replace Perry remains high. Do you think it’s a good look for any of his successors to go out there and fake it? The band is playing with fire.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:The only reason that I posted the part about the lip syncing is to help verify that it is at least somewhat common for bands to lip sync on TV appearances.

If it was so common in the Pineda era, defensive posters like you could have easily pointed to other recent televised clips. Instead, you’re resorting to digging up old musty bullshit. Up until this year, all of their prominent TV appearances, (ex. Ryan Seacrest NYE, Oprah, CNN broadcast, IHeartRadio), was 100% live. It’s completely legitimate to ask WHY and WHAT changed. Could be technical reasons, or AP jet lag. You don’t know, and I don’t know. It was never common for JRNY to do this at all.

Additionally, the band nearly imploded because of lip syncing. For this reason alone, even when done for completely valid reasons, they should steer clear of it.

In the public consciousness, the bar to replace Perry remains high. Do you think it’s a good look for any of his successors to go out there and fake it? The band is playing with fire.

Lastly, you’re posting in the wrong thread.

I was on YouTube looking up Journey clips strictly for my own listening pleasure. I came across the clip that I posted a link for and I watched it. While I was watching it I thought to myself that it's obviously just lip syncing. About a minute later I remembered some of your irrational overreaction to Pineda lip syncing to ONE TV broadcast, and I figured what the hell, I'll just post this to show that that is done by almost all bands at some point while they're doing a TV appearance.

I was in no way, shape or form being defensive, as my opinion all along was that you were just overreacting about Pineda. I ultimately don't care enough one way or another to be "defensive" about it.

I already mentioned that I couldn't remember which thread you were complaining about Pineda lip syncing in, so I just posted it in this thread. It was late at night when I posted the link. I was about to go to bed, and I didn't want to take the time to search for the right thread.

By the way, Tapegate didn't hurt the band at all. Don't get me wrong, I don't want them lip syncing at their concerts either! But Tapegate didn't and would not have destroyed the band in anyway. Maybe it would have 30 years ago, but not now. There are a number of Classic Rock bands that are (Unfortunately) lip syncing in some form or another live now.
There is no longer any such thing as bad publicity.

Great hearing this again. Not sure why Jon’s vocals have such a crazy effect but still good

Journey/Survivor wrote:... and I figured what the hell, I'll just post this to show that that is done by almost all bands at some point while they're doing a TV appearance.

Nobody ever argued this. Very familiar with televised playback appearances.

Journey/Survivor wrote:I ultimately don't care enough one way or another to be "defensive" about it.

And yet here you are derailing a completely unrelated thread about it.

Journey/Survivor wrote:It was late at night when I posted the link.

Sounds like your obsessed to the point of insomnia. You sure you don't care? Arnel lipped on live TV. I had the audacity to ask why. Sorry you can't handle that.

Journey/Survivor wrote:By the way, Tapegate didn't hurt the band at all. Don't get me wrong, I don't want them lip syncing at their concerts either! But Tapegate didn't and would not have destroyed the band in anyway.

Herbie Herbert (ever hear of him?) said something to the effect of "they dodged a real bullet." Which is what I basically said as well. You are just completely wrong.

Journey/Survivor wrote:There are a number of Classic Rock bands that are (Unfortunately) lip syncing in some form or another live now.

And how many of those bands are built around the vocalist they way Journey was?

Back to the thread topic....they also did Anytime, as expected. You can see it on the video posted in the full concert thread.
Love seeing this. These two songs have always been favorites of mine, just a damn good groove. Cain and Deen do an admirable job on these, and it gives Arnel a nice break.

Art Vandelay wrote:Back to the thread topic....they also did Anytime, as expected. You can see it on the video posted in the full concert thread.
Love seeing this. These two songs have always been favorites of mine, just a damn good groove. Cain and Deen do an admirable job on these, and it gives Arnel a nice break.

I give Arnel all the usual concessions of age, the difficulty of the material, and being Journey's longest tenured lead vocalist...but he is definitely struggling in much of that show. He may need a break.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:... and I figured what the hell, I'll just post this to show that that is done by almost all bands at some point while they're doing a TV appearance.

Nobody ever argued this. Very familiar with televised playback appearances.

Journey/Survivor wrote:I ultimately don't care enough one way or another to be "defensive" about it.

And yet here you are derailing a completely unrelated thread about it.

Journey/Survivor wrote:It was late at night when I posted the link.

Sounds like your obsessed to the point of insomnia. You sure you don't care? Arnel lipped on live TV. I had the audacity to ask why. Sorry you can't handle that.

Journey/Survivor wrote:By the way, Tapegate didn't hurt the band at all. Don't get me wrong, I don't want them lip syncing at their concerts either! But Tapegate didn't and would not have destroyed the band in anyway.

Herbie Herbert (ever hear of him?) said something to the effect of "they dodged a real bullet." Which is what I basically said as well. You are just completely wrong.

Journey/Survivor wrote:There are a number of Classic Rock bands that are (Unfortunately) lip syncing in some form or another live now.

And how many of those bands are built around the vocalist they way Journey was?

More ridiculous hyperbole.

I explained why I was on YouTube. It had zero to do with anything that you or anyone else on MR had said. I coincidentally came across that particular clip that I posted a link for. I was watching it for at least a full minute before I even thought about your comments about Pineda lip syncing to that one recent TV appearance.

I stay up late every night. It doesn't have anything to do with Journey or anything that anyone on here says. If I hadn't bothered to give a link to that clip right then, I wouldn't have bothered at all.

Herbie had a history of saying lots of ridiculous stuff.
The "Tapegate" thing wasn't even a blip on the radar in terms of hurting the band's sales. The overwhelming majority of people still to this day know nothing about it.

I said at the time that the Castronovo arrest was not going to harm the band's popularity at all, and it didn't. This is a different world now from the Milli Vanilli days.

I already explained why I posted that link in this thread. You are the one who chose to respond even though I never mentioned you personally in that initial post of mine. If you want to drop it, we'll drop it?!

You nimrods will argue about anything. Your lads get to play for Wolfman Jack and they “Lip” live like every other performer before or after and you’ve got to make it some big conspiracy. Watch any band on American Bandstand or shows like it and you’re gonna see the same shite. If you listen to the last couple seconds, you can tell that they’re playing and singing live, but the recorded track is being broadcasted. Can’t you just agree that they were fookin awesome in this period and had to bend to the requirements of the respective programs?

You’ve always got Soundstage to refer back to to show that they could light it up anytime, anywhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPF1PjkqHQc

Nimrods

koberry wrote:You nimrods will argue about anything.

Nimrods

The effect you are hearing on Jonny boy’s vocals sounds like Delay, reverb and auto tune, which I’m sure he picked up from his mega church gigs. Honestly to me it sounds more tolerable than when he sang these songs in 2005 or so on the generations tour

FishinMagician wrote:The effect you are hearing on Jonny boy’s vocals sounds like Delay, reverb and auto tune, which I’m sure he picked up from his mega church gigs. Honestly to me it sounds more tolerable than when he sang these songs in 2005 or so on the generations tour

Sounds to me like an old school phase shifter with a little echo, or adjusted rate & depth.
Definitely gives him more of a pronounced Rolie feel than his regular voice.


later~

He's 74...let him use whatever effects he needs to.