Neal takes shots at Leppard on Twitter over a poster

[Gideon]

As cringe as Jon's wife and religious cultishness are, there's no fucking question that Neal is the most obviously, interpersonally toxic person in that band. By far.

Leppard dropped a poster for the 2024 tour and Neal is obviously pissed that it doesn't include Journey.

(Pretty sure coheadlining bands drop their own stuff all the time and it's not like Leppard's been shy about marketing this effort with Journey, but whatever.)

https://x.com/NealSchonMusic/status/177 ... 04090?s=20

https://x.com/NealSchonMusic/status/177 ... 72807?s=20

This shit is so cringe and awkward. Someone should take his fucking social media away.

[Pelata]

Crybaby...

[Monker]

This is from Def Leppard's FB page, not generic advert for the world.

Such a fragile ego.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As cringe as Jon's wife and religious cultishness are, there's no fucking question that Neal is the most obviously, interpersonally toxic person in that band.

Paula isn't attacking fans or industry peers. Neal can't live without drama. Would he say any of this to Joe Elliott's face?

[Gideon]

lol fuck no, he wouldn’t.

Also, I was just scrolling through Instagram and Neal replied to a Leppard post under Journey’s name with “yes don’t forget about us boys”

Pathetic.

[Andrew]

Actually...if I saw that and I was Neal, I'd be pissed too. Depending on the source and how widespread the advertising is.

[Monker]

Actually...if I saw that and I was Neal, I'd be pissed too. Depending on the source and how widespread the advertising is.

If you were Neal, why would you be trolling DL's Facebook page instead of paying attention to your band and your playing on the current tour? The only place I have seen this pic is on DL's FB page, announcing tour dates. Where else is it? All DL did was take some old photo that I see on their official page and added the dates to it and put it out on their FB page.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Actually...if I saw that and I was Neal, I'd be pissed too. Depending on the source and how widespread the advertising is.

Perhaps. But would you take it public?

[Aaron]

Why, DL has set the tone for decades. Journey opened for them back in the late 00's so why would they? Journey already proved DL right.

Actually...if I saw that and I was Neal, I'd be pissed too. Depending on the source and how widespread the advertising is.

[Journey/Survivor]

I'm fairly certain that that was a co-headlining tour? Journey never should have agreed to anything less than co-headlining, one way or another.

[danielb]

If you were Neal, why would you be trolling DL's Facebook page instead of paying attention to your band and your playing on the current tour? The only place I have seen this pic is on DL's FB page, announcing tour dates. Where else is it? All DL did was take some old photo that I see on their official page and added the dates to it and put it out on their FB page.

Yes, this is a complete non story.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Neal has a point here

Shouldn’t be on twitter though

[Pelata]

I mean, it does say "All dates with Journey" on the poster...and I feel like Joe Elliot would be completely unbothered if it were reversed.

[Monker]

Why, DL has set the tone for decades. Journey opened for them back in the late 00's so why would they? Journey already proved DL right.

ON the JSS tour, they were also supposed to be "coheadliners" but Journey was first every show, had no stage show or SFX, not really much other than the band playing. DL came out with a huge stage show and gave a bunch of SFX. Journey looked like they were playing the part of the opening band...and losing Augeri mid-tour and replacing him with JSS and the struggles that came before - they SHOULD have been the opening band because they were scrambling to even stay together.

But, I no longer think that is true. They seem to be basically equals. Frankly, I think DL and Journey are perfect touring partners. I'm sure their fanbases overlap and each band probably brings in some who would not see the other band if they were touring by themselves.

[Pelata]

All "co-headliner" means is equal set lengths.

[Aaron]

Maybe, maybe not but opinions vary. Once Journey caved to DL as the headliner why would they expect any different. Look around see what life delivers.

Why, DL has set the tone for decades. Journey opened for them back in the late 00's so why would they? Journey already proved DL right.

ON the JSS tour, they were also supposed to be "coheadliners" but Journey was first every show, had no stage show or SFX, not really much other than the band playing. DL came out with a huge stage show and gave a bunch of SFX. Journey looked like they were playing the part of the opening band...and losing Augeri mid-tour and replacing him with JSS and the struggles that came before - they SHOULD have been the opening band because they were scrambling to even stay together.

But, I no longer think that is true. They seem to be basically equals. Frankly, I think DL and Journey are perfect touring partners. I'm sure their fanbases overlap and each band probably brings in some who would not see the other band if they were touring by themselves.

[Aaron]

I mean, it does say "All dates with Journey" on the poster...and I feel like Joe Elliot would be completely unbothered if it were reversed.

Truth ^^^^^^^

[Monker]

It is not a matter of opinion. They are either coheadliners or not. Even on the JSS tour, they were coheadlining. It may not have LOOKED that way, but they were. That is just a simple fact.

Maybe, maybe not but opinions vary. Once Journey caved to DL as the headliner why would they expect any different. Look around see what life delivers.

Why, DL has set the tone for decades. Journey opened for them back in the late 00's so why would they? Journey already proved DL right.

ON the JSS tour, they were also supposed to be "coheadliners" but Journey was first every show, had no stage show or SFX, not really much other than the band playing. DL came out with a huge stage show and gave a bunch of SFX. Journey looked like they were playing the part of the opening band...and losing Augeri mid-tour and replacing him with JSS and the struggles that came before - they SHOULD have been the opening band because they were scrambling to even stay together.

But, I no longer think that is true. They seem to be basically equals. Frankly, I think DL and Journey are perfect touring partners. I'm sure their fanbases overlap and each band probably brings in some who would not see the other band if they were touring by themselves.

[Aaron]

I saw the concert you arrogant fuck. Journey opened, sucked and was the bitch. Say what you want but if I was DF, running my original singer and crew (minus deaths) I would do the same.

[Pelata]

If Journey and Def Leppard have equal set times, then it's a co-headline regardless of who plays last.

[Monker]

I saw the concert you arrogant fuck. Journey opened, sucked and was the bitch. Say what you want but if I was DF, running my original singer and crew (minus deaths) I would do the same.

You are wrong. They were coheadliners. That is how that tour was advertised and ran. Journey may have looked the part of the "opening band", but on paper they were the second headlining act.

[Eric]

I saw the concert you arrogant fuck. Journey opened, sucked and was the bitch.

Incorrect.

[Pelata]

Looking at the set lists for this tour:

Def Leppard played an average of 15 songs per night.

Journey played an average of 18 songs per night.,

Co-headliners co-headlining.

[ebake02]

I saw the concert you arrogant fuck. Journey opened, sucked and was the bitch.

I was at that concert too and I saw nothing of the sort. I would argue that Journey with JSS put on a better show than Def Leppard did that tour.

[Journey/Survivor]

I've seen Def Leppard 3 times. The first time I went to one of their concerts just to see them. The next two times was when they were co-headlining with Journey.

I like a lot of Leppard's songs and I think they're a good band. But I don't remember ever being overly impressed with them in a live setting? Not that they were bad or boring. Just average.

Journey always put on truly great shows up until at least Arnel joining the band. To be totally clear, Arnel is NOT the reason why the Journey shows started to be less impressive live. The reason why is that after Arnel joined and the band started to get much more high profile again, more similar to the Perry years, they started playing it too safe. Playing mostly the dirty dozen, few deep cuts, less extended jams within the songs. It really pisses me off that they don't have Deen do a drum solo. I always loved Deen's solos with Bad English and Hardline.

With that said, I do recall Journey still having been more impressive than Leppard live.

[jestor92]

I've seen Def Leppard 3 times. The first time I went to one of their concerts just to see them. The next two times was when they were co-headlining with Journey.

I like a lot of Leppard's songs and I think they're a good band. But I don't remember ever being overly impressed with them in a live setting? Not that they were bad or boring. Just average.

Journey always put on truly great shows up until at least Arnel joining the band. To be totally clear, Arnel is NOT the reason why the Journey shows started to be less impressive live. The reason why is that after Arnel joined and the band started to get much more high profile again, more similar to the Perry years, they started playing it too safe. Playing mostly the dirty dozen, few deep cuts, less extended jams within the songs. It really pisses me off that they don't have Deen do a drum solo. I always loved Deen's solos with Bad English and Hardline.

With that said, I do recall Journey still having been more impressive than Leppard live.

I have to disagree with you. I’ve never been to a Journey show with Perry and won’t see them live because of tapegate. That said I saw them with Styx and REO with Augeri and Styx blew them off the stage. Saw them with Augeri open for Leppard back in 06 and Leppard blew them off the stage (and Leppard wasn’t by any means great).

[Journey/Survivor]

I've seen Def Leppard 3 times. The first time I went to one of their concerts just to see them. The next two times was when they were co-headlining with Journey.

I like a lot of Leppard's songs and I think they're a good band. But I don't remember ever being overly impressed with them in a live setting? Not that they were bad or boring. Just average.

Journey always put on truly great shows up until at least Arnel joining the band. To be totally clear, Arnel is NOT the reason why the Journey shows started to be less impressive live. The reason why is that after Arnel joined and the band started to get much more high profile again, more similar to the Perry years, they started playing it too safe. Playing mostly the dirty dozen, few deep cuts, less extended jams within the songs. It really pisses me off that they don't have Deen do a drum solo. I always loved Deen's solos with Bad English and Hardline.

With that said, I do recall Journey still having been more impressive than Leppard live.

I have to disagree with you. I’ve never been to a Journey show with Perry and won’t see them live because of tapegate. That said I saw them with Styx and REO with Augeri and Styx blew them off the stage. Saw them with Augeri open for Leppard back in 06 and Leppard blew them off the stage (and Leppard wasn’t by any means great).

Well, it's possible that we are impressed by different types of things that bands do live?

I really don't care what style of clothes bands wear on stage, or the stage lights, or running around the stage. I'm NOT saying that you do. Maybe you don't either?

But what I consider a great show involves band members performing great solos on their respective instruments, extended jams of songs like adding in extra parts to the songs, and playing deep cuts. Unfortunately, Journey have gotten too far away from playing deep cuts live for a while now. But at least they aren't as bad as Foreigner were when I saw them the last few times and they only played hits.

[jestor92]

I've seen Def Leppard 3 times. The first time I went to one of their concerts just to see them. The next two times was when they were co-headlining with Journey.

I like a lot of Leppard's songs and I think they're a good band. But I don't remember ever being overly impressed with them in a live setting? Not that they were bad or boring. Just average.

Journey always put on truly great shows up until at least Arnel joining the band. To be totally clear, Arnel is NOT the reason why the Journey shows started to be less impressive live. The reason why is that after Arnel joined and the band started to get much more high profile again, more similar to the Perry years, they started playing it too safe. Playing mostly the dirty dozen, few deep cuts, less extended jams within the songs. It really pisses me off that they don't have Deen do a drum solo. I always loved Deen's solos with Bad English and Hardline.

With that said, I do recall Journey still having been more impressive than Leppard live.

I have to disagree with you. I’ve never been to a Journey show with Perry and won’t see them live because of tapegate. That said I saw them with Styx and REO with Augeri and Styx blew them off the stage. Saw them with Augeri open for Leppard back in 06 and Leppard blew them off the stage (and Leppard wasn’t by any means great).

Well, it's possible that we are impressed by different types of things that bands do live?

I really don't care what style of clothes bands wear on stage, or the stage lights, or running around the stage. I'm NOT saying that you do. Maybe you don't either?

But what I consider a great show involves band members performing great solos on their respective instruments, extended jams of songs like adding in extra parts to the songs, and playing deep cuts. Unfortunately, Journey have gotten too far away from playing deep cuts live for a while now. But at least they aren't as bad as Foreigner were when I saw them the last few times and they only played hits.

I saw Foreigner prior to Covid. They played like 9 songs. It was a joke.

The Journey show I saw with Styx and Reo, Styx played a great set and were energetic. Burtnik was a madman. The band sounded great. Reo was solid. Journey was actually the worst of the three because they looked mostly disinterested except Neal. The sound wasn’t good because the vocals were buried in the mix (in hindsight I wonder if that was due to them trying to hide the tapes). Also from reading comments here and other places they still seem to not be able to get a good sound mix.

The show I saw when they opened for Leppard was not to long before they replaced Steve.I bought tickets prior to the tapegate coming to light or I wouldn’t have bought tickets. The performance musically was good, but Steve’s performance really killed the show. I remember during Escape he stopped singing and Dean sang most of the song. This is the last Journey show I’ll attend. I’ll support the new music (it’s been hard in recent releases), but not the live product.

[Monker]

The Journey show I saw with Styx and Reo, Styx played a great set and were energetic. Burtnik was a madman. The band sounded great. Reo was solid. Journey was actually the worst of the three because they looked mostly disinterested except Neal. The sound wasn’t good because the vocals were buried in the mix (in hindsight I wonder if that was due to them trying to hide the tapes). Also from reading comments here and other places they still seem to not be able to get a good sound mix.

Didn't that tape thing start in 2004? Was the 2003, Main Event, tour also accused?

To me, Journey just looked wore out and tired. Styx was the exact opposite, full of energy and entertaining. Burtnik was definitely a highlight of the show. REO was OK...Kevin did so much talking between songs that it was annoying. Journey's sound was just too loud. Styx sounded perfect...and has always had a great live sound. I think Journey just likes it turned up to 11 as if louder is better. I was in the third row and did not have any problems hearing Augeri or the vocals in general. Also, Styx performed maybe 4 songs from Cyclorama...close to half their set. I think Journey only did "Higher Place" for a new song. So, yeah, I would say Styx was the best band of the night

[The_Noble_Cause]

Didn't that tape thing start in 2004? Was the 2003, Main Event, tour also accused?

It really only became a pervasive problem in 2005 the Generations tour. Prior to that, any usage of tapes was on a limited, almost ad-hoc basis (a song here or there, or a challenging high part) - and a lot of bands do stuff like that. 2005 is when it just became full blown.