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I like making songs using AI. I don't know shit about music so I find it to be a lot of fun doing something I otherwise can't do.

My latest song, 'She Cries' inspired from Journey's 'With A Tear' pays tribute to Journeys iconic 80s sound. It was made using Udio.

https://youtu.be/O41B3Ju559w

Enjoy!

With all due respect for your efforts in experimenting and playing with these new tools/technologies (and I am fascinated by AI and how it might help the music creation process), that track is really bad. Absolutely void of any trace of soul... the lyrics are hideous. The music tracks sound 100% fake. This is not a criticism of you but of the output of AI in terms of being anything people would want to listen to (and I hope I never hear that track again!). AI has a long way to go before it produces something that truly feels human. I need to go listen to Traces to get that bad taste out of my mouth ...

ADALBL wrote:With all due respect for your efforts in experimenting and playing with these new tools/technologies (and I am fascinated by AI and how it might help the music creation process), that track is really bad. Absolutely void of any trace of soul... the lyrics are hideous. The music tracks sound 100% fake. This is not a criticism of you but of the output of AI in terms of being anything people would want to listen to (and I hope I never hear that track again!). AI has a long way to go before it produces something that truly feels human. I need to go listen to Traces to get that bad taste out of my mouth ...

Wow, I did not think it was that bad...definitely not deserving that level of critique. I don't think it's the highest quality song ever, maybe 7/10. I would not go comparing anything to Traces...

If this is 100% AI generated and performed, I can see why an artist may try to use AI to create a demo like this and then go in and tweak it here and there to make it more their own...and then generate the sheet music to record with real musicians. It could really make someone prolific.

ADALBL wrote:With all due respect for your efforts in experimenting and playing with these new tools/technologies (and I am fascinated by AI and how it might help the music creation process), that track is really bad. Absolutely void of any trace of soul... the lyrics are hideous. The music tracks sound 100% fake. This is not a criticism of you but of the output of AI in terms of being anything people would want to listen to (and I hope I never hear that track again!). AI has a long way to go before it produces something that truly feels human. I need to go listen to Traces to get that bad taste out of my mouth ...

Think you’re being very dramatic ha. AI is pretty incredible and the track is listenable. I’m not to bothered that AI can’t produce something that oozes soul yet, it’s already doing stuff that a year a go it had no chance. The speed that it is improving is insane, I don’t think there’s a long way to go at all.



In fact now I’ve listened to the whole song, in a general play list I don’t think the average person would notice it’s AI, could be a standard Frontiers record

Feels like a semi-legit song! Kinda getting an almost Def Leppard (maybe someone else?) feel at times with the drums and guitars. Something I've kicked around forever in my head is turning the instrumental of "Into Your Arms" from Time3 into a full on song with lyrics since you can almost hear the beginning of the chorus there already. I'm sure AI could do SOMETHING with that but I haven't messed with that at all yet.

Cool experiment!

Loneman1 wrote:Feels like a semi-legit song! Kinda getting an almost Def Leppard (maybe someone else?) feel at times with the drums and guitars. Something I've kicked around forever in my head is turning the instrumental of "Into Your Arms" from Time3 into a full on song with lyrics since you can almost hear the beginning of the chorus there already. I'm sure AI could do SOMETHING with that but I haven't messed with that at all yet.

Cool experiment!

There is a writing demo where Perry sings "With a Tear". It seems they had a chorus but not much else...Perry is trying but nothing decent is coming out of it. I'm sure it is on YouTube somewhere. All I remember from it is, "With a tear in her eye she is cryin'".

Monker wrote:

Loneman1 wrote:Feels like a semi-legit song! Kinda getting an almost Def Leppard (maybe someone else?) feel at times with the drums and guitars. Something I've kicked around forever in my head is turning the instrumental of "Into Your Arms" from Time3 into a full on song with lyrics since you can almost hear the beginning of the chorus there already. I'm sure AI could do SOMETHING with that but I haven't messed with that at all yet.

Cool experiment!

There is a writing demo where Perry sings "With a Tear". It seems they had a chorus but not much else...Perry is trying but nothing decent is coming out of it. I'm sure it is on YouTube somewhere. All I remember from it is, "With a tear in her eye she is cryin'".

Yup, I love that one too! I've had it for years and it was one of my favorite boots early on. I'd kill for collection of just ROR demos/outtakes alone.

UrbanCoyote wrote:I like making songs using AI. I don't know shit about music so I find it to be a lot of fun doing something I otherwise can't do.

My latest song, 'She Cries' inspired from Journey's 'With A Tear' pays tribute to Journeys iconic 80s sound. It was made using Udio.

https://youtu.be/O41B3Ju559w

Enjoy!

I lIke it! Very cool! Thanks for sharing.

ADALBL wrote:With all due respect for your efforts in experimenting and playing with these new tools/technologies (and I am fascinated by AI and how it might help the music creation process), that track is really bad. Absolutely void of any trace of soul... the lyrics are hideous. The music tracks sound 100% fake. This is not a criticism of you but of the output of AI in terms of being anything people would want to listen to (and I hope I never hear that track again!). AI has a long way to go before it produces something that truly feels human. I need to go listen to Traces to get that bad taste out of my mouth ...

Takes a big man to put something out there that is experimental and knowing not everyone will accept it for what it is. Kudos to the OP.

To be honest, if you need Traces to clean your palet, you're not the music aficionado you may think you are.

Bravo on dipping your toes into the creative water!

Great singer (or is that AI too?).

My (half-joking) advice.....send it to Serafino Perugino or Alessandro Del Vecchio of Frontiers records.

I could easily hear this on the next Revelation Saints or one of their other cookie-cutter AOR efforts.

Love the conversation here. Even those who disagree with me.

I do give credit for putting this together and putting it out there - I mean it.

That said, two things can simultaneously be true which in this case: (1) I respect and give props for putting this together and putting it out there. I do admire the effort and the willingness to put yourself out there. (2) The song itself is not good and that's OK and it does not make the first point untrue

I would ask this: Would anyone who heard this song ever want to hear it again? I doubt it - unless it is just for the purpose of studying what AI can do these days, not for actual enjoyment.

As for me not being the music aficionado I may think I am, that may be true, but I am a full time composer now (early in my new career so no major success yet but I do have a few credits including scoring part of a movie on a major streaming service and I have had interest in my rock songs from a few bands often discussed on these forums) and I do use lots of tools when I write music including AI tools so I am reasonably familiar with this area. I am intrigued with how these tools can inspire ideas and help with the songwriting and recording process.

I’ve written lots of bad stuff and some stuff that I am proud of and think is at least “not bad”. Being a huge Journey/Steve Perry fan I always ask myself if I think my songs are at least in the ball park of my favorite Journey songs (once in a while I think “maybe” and I would not put this song in that category or even close.

As for not telling if it’s an AI song or not, Rick Beato recently did a video on this where both of his kids could tell instantly when there was an AI voice so while the vocal technology has come a long way and will keep getting better, it ain’t there yet and I have yet to hear anything I would want to listen to for actual enjoyment- especially when talking about AI voices.

Anyway - interesting conversation for sure and I appreciate the dissenting points of view.

ADALBL wrote:Love the conversation here. Even those who disagree with me.

I do give credit for putting this together and putting it out there - I mean it.

That said, two things can simultaneously be true which in this case: (1) I respect and give props for putting this together and putting it out there. I do admire the effort and the willingness to put yourself out there. (2) The song itself is not good and that's OK and it does not make the first point untrue

I would ask this: Would anyone who heard this song ever want to hear it again? I doubt it - unless it is just for the purpose of studying what AI can do these days, not for actual enjoyment.

As for me not being the music aficionado I may think I am, that may be true, but I am a full time composer now (early in my new career so no major success yet but I do have a few credits including scoring part of a movie on a major streaming service and I have had interest in my rock songs from a few bands often discussed on these forums) and I do use lots of tools when I write music including AI tools so I am reasonably familiar with this area. I am intrigued with how these tools can inspire ideas and help with the songwriting and recording process.

I’ve written lots of bad stuff and some stuff that I am proud of and think is at least “not bad”. Being a huge Journey/Steve Perry fan I always ask myself if I think my songs are at least in the ball park of my favorite Journey songs (once in a while I think “maybe” and I would not put this song in that category or even close.

As for not telling if it’s an AI song or not, Rick Beato recently did a video on this where both of his kids could tell instantly when there was an AI voice so while the vocal technology has come a long way and will keep getting better, it ain’t there yet and I have yet to hear anything I would want to listen to for actual enjoyment- especially when talking about AI voices.

Anyway - interesting conversation for sure and I appreciate the dissenting points of view.

I've seen that video by Beato too. Funny thing is he also did a video recently where he was talking about how his kids could NOT tell when something was out of tune. So his kids can tell when it's AI, but not if something is out of tune.

To me though there's two separate questions... 'can something made by AI right now already be good enough to be passable to the average ear' and 'can AI make something that I would want to listen to and connect with'

Yes to the first, and most likely eventually to the second. Or it certainly will to the youngest generation coming up I think

ADALBL wrote:Love the conversation here. Even those who disagree with me.

I do give credit for putting this together and putting it out there - I mean it.

That said, two things can simultaneously be true which in this case: (1) I respect and give props for putting this together and putting it out there. I do admire the effort and the willingness to put yourself out there. (2) The song itself is not good and that's OK and it does not make the first point untrue

I would ask this: Would anyone who heard this song ever want to hear it again? I doubt it - unless it is just for the purpose of studying what AI can do these days, not for actual enjoyment.

As for me not being the music aficionado I may think I am, that may be true, but I am a full time composer now (early in my new career so no major success yet but I do have a few credits including scoring part of a movie on a major streaming service and I have had interest in my rock songs from a few bands often discussed on these forums) and I do use lots of tools when I write music including AI tools so I am reasonably familiar with this area. I am intrigued with how these tools can inspire ideas and help with the songwriting and recording process.

I’ve written lots of bad stuff and some stuff that I am proud of and think is at least “not bad”. Being a huge Journey/Steve Perry fan I always ask myself if I think my songs are at least in the ball park of my favorite Journey songs (once in a while I think “maybe” and I would not put this song in that category or even close.

As for not telling if it’s an AI song or not, Rick Beato recently did a video on this where both of his kids could tell instantly when there was an AI voice so while the vocal technology has come a long way and will keep getting better, it ain’t there yet and I have yet to hear anything I would want to listen to for actual enjoyment- especially when talking about AI voices.

Anyway - interesting conversation for sure and I appreciate the dissenting points of view.

I like it. Good job.