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Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Sun Oct 06, 2024 12:21 pmby The_Noble_Cause
Jonathan played at a 100th Anniversary concert for his Chicago High School, East Leyden, on October 4th.
A friend of mine attended.
Mugs was on drums. Madison and other Cain family members sang back-up.
Cain opened with a medley of Only The Young, Stone In Love, and Be Good To Yourself.
He also performed Don't Stop Believin and Faithfully.
Most notably, Jonathan played and sang "Every Generation" from 2005's Generations album.
Michael Bolton's How Am I Supposed To Live Without You was sung by Madison.
From the footage I was sent, it sounded good. Touring norwegian-korean guitarist, Kevin Eknes, also sounded superb.
Hopefully some of the footage finds its way online.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Mon Oct 07, 2024 1:09 amby ebake02
Every Generation is a deep cut that I’ve always enjoyed, I always wanted to hear Steve A. sing it too.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:13 amby Pelata
I never rated that song. It always seemed so "dad joke" and cliche.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:32 amby Eric
I grew to really like this tune. And Schon's solo at the end is one of his most underrated.
Not Augeri singing lead... but he is playing rhythm guitar and is on background vocal duty here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rLZuHckANI
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:09 pmby scarab
Jon should never ever sing...anything lead. And the terrible generations worst.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Wed Oct 09, 2024 3:33 amby Monker
scarab wrote:Jon should never ever sing...anything lead. And the terrible generations worst.
I have always felt that the critique of Jonathan's vocals is greatly exaggerated. He is not at the exceptional level of Perry or any other Journey lead singer. But, saying he should never sing lead is just wrong. Back when "Back to the Innocence" was released I instantly felt he sounded like Bruce Hornsby, especially in the title song and "Full Circle". When he writes songs in his range for his voice, he is fine as a lead singer. When he tries to sing songs written for a Journey like voice, he is out of his element...but so are 90% of ALL singers.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Wed Oct 09, 2024 4:20 amby brywool
Monker wrote:scarab wrote:Jon should never ever sing...anything lead. And the terrible generations worst.
I have always felt that the critique of Jonathan's vocals is greatly exaggerated. He is not at the exceptional level of Perry or any other Journey lead singer. But, saying he should never sing lead is just wrong. Back when "Back to the Innocence" was released I instantly felt he sounded like Bruce Hornsby, especially in the title song and "Full Circle". When he writes songs in his range for his voice, he is fine as a lead singer. When he tries to sing songs written for a Journey like voice, he is out of his element...but so are 90% of ALL singers.
I agree. "Turn Around in Tokyo" (Babys) is a great tune (not to mention the drum part) and he handles that and "Generations" well. He has also been fine on "Just the Same Way" live. His voice sits right in that range. It's a bit "strident" here, but that's fine for the song. I DO think Steve would've done a better job, but as a feature for Jon, it's cool. "Back to the Innocence" was a decent album, for what it was. Though I haven't played it for years, such is the way of cassettes from the ancient times.
The video of him singing it above- is that from the show where all the gals were moved to the front and then they didn't release the footage? Never seen that. Holy crap, how Deen has changed.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:44 amby Eric
Monker wrote:scarab wrote:Jon should never ever sing...anything lead. And the terrible generations worst.
I have always felt that the critique of Jonathan's vocals is greatly exaggerated. He is not at the exceptional level of Perry or any other Journey lead singer. But, saying he should never sing lead is just wrong. Back when "Back to the Innocence" was released I instantly felt he sounded like Bruce Hornsby, especially in the title song and "Full Circle". When he writes songs in his range for his voice, he is fine as a lead singer. When he tries to sing songs written for a Journey like voice, he is out of his element...but so are 90% of ALL singers.
I think its just comparing him to Rolie, who has a much better voice.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:29 amby The_Noble_Cause
Monker wrote:scarab wrote:Jon should never ever sing...anything lead. And the terrible generations worst.
I have always felt that the critique of Jonathan's vocals is greatly exaggerated. He is not at the exceptional level of Perry or any other Journey lead singer. But, saying he should never sing lead is just wrong. Back when "Back to the Innocence" was released I instantly felt he sounded like Bruce Hornsby, especially in the title song and "Full Circle". When he writes songs in his range for his voice, he is fine as a lead singer. When he tries to sing songs written for a Journey like voice, he is out of his element...but so are 90% of ALL singers.
The duet sound of Rolie / Perry, could have and should have continued on with Augeri and Cain. I think I remember rumors of them writing a new shared vocal song at one point.
Regarding Cain's singing, I believe Herbie said that Cain's singing wasn't as good as Gregg but was adequate, and I think that's fair. Lately I think Cain has improved somewhat.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:46 amby The_Noble_Cause
brywool wrote:The video of him singing it above- is that from the show where all the gals were moved to the front and then they didn't release the footage? Never seen that. Holy crap, how Deen has changed.
I don't think so. I thought that show was in Dallas, Texas or somewhere similar. This is from NH. The same YouTubere also has a NH Journey from 2004 and multiple other artists like Boston and MeatLoaf.
I assume he worked for the venue in some capacity.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Wed Oct 09, 2024 9:36 amby Journey/Survivor
Monker wrote:scarab wrote:Jon should never ever sing...anything lead. And the terrible generations worst.
I have always felt that the critique of Jonathan's vocals is greatly exaggerated. He is not at the exceptional level of Perry or any other Journey lead singer. But, saying he should never sing lead is just wrong. Back when "Back to the Innocence" was released I instantly felt he sounded like Bruce Hornsby, especially in the title song and "Full Circle". When he writes songs in his range for his voice, he is fine as a lead singer. When he tries to sing songs written for a Journey like voice, he is out of his element...but so are 90% of ALL singers.
IMO Cain should never sing lead in Journey with the exception of live when singing Rolie's parts from past Journey songs.
But there's nothing wrong with Cain singing lead on his own solo albums.
Cain's not a bad singer. He's just far off from Journey level lead vocals.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:44 amby The_Noble_Cause
Journey/Survivor wrote:
IMO Cain should never sing lead in Journey with the exception of live when singing Rolie's parts from past Journey songs.
While I think Generations overdid it (with Ross, Neal, etc), I think there is a place for a voice like Jon's in Journey - albeit in a limited capacity.
Once they left Perry and Sony, they had the ability to harkon back to that Rolie / Perry sound if they chose to. Maybe a song or two here and there.
Closest we got was some of The Storm material with Kevin and Gregg trading off. Just brilliant stuff.
https://youtu.be/-ouiFwXeR-8?si=AaOmjvG_L1gAUNj6
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:23 amby Gideon
Hot take: "Every Generation" is lyrically and musically one of Journey's best songs and Cain does alright singing it
Had Perry, Augeri, or Pineda sang it, it would probably be A+
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:52 amby The_Noble_Cause
Gideon wrote:Hot take: "Every Generation" is lyrically and musically one of Journey's best songs and Cain does alright singing it
Had Perry, Augeri, or Pineda sang it, it would probably be A+
That IS a hot take. I like the song, but lyrically it is pure Cain schmaltz.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:53 amby Gideon
idk bud, tells a pretty compelling story of generational aspirations, passing the torch, and shared struggles; it ain't Rush, but there's a cohesive lyrical vision for this song that you don't see in most of Journey's stuff
Kids hanging out on a Saturday night
Waitin' on wheels, wanna go for a ride
Cruisin' 'round town, just feels right
Got to get away
Blasting rock and hip hop, they know
All dressed down with no place to go
A difficult age just takin' it slow
Wait for better days
Can't stop the wild and restless
Still the ritual goes on
Following the footsteps
Where their fathers used to run
Turn around and face the change
Young hearts all beat the same
The fire in the soul remains
Ooh, in every generation
Young rebels have their time
Glory days are gonna shine
Ooh, there's a brand new face waiting right behind
Every generation
Fashions go and come back around
And vinyl LPs still got a cool sound
Flash back to retro (retro)
It's all new again
Fighting wars under different names
Losing daughters and sons, we all feel the pain
Through the tears, why don't things ever change
Between now and then
While the radio's still playin'
That familiar sweet love song
We still share the same desire
We all need to belong
Turn around and face the change
Young hearts all beat the same
The fire in the soul remains
Ooh in every generation
Young rebels have their time
Glory days are gonna shine
Ooh there's a brand new face waiting right behind
Every generation
Some generations leave us heroes of their day
With magic moments that still take our breaths away
Some will inherit all the politics and blame
And some will leave this world a better place
Turn around and face the change
Young hearts all beat the same
The fire in the soul remains
Ooh in every generation
Young rebels have their time
Glory days are gonna shine
Ooh there's a brand new face waiting right behind
Every generation
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Every generation
They keep comin' around
Every generation
Na na na na na
Yeah
Na na na na na
Na na na na na na
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Fri Oct 11, 2024 3:05 amby Pelata
That's just bad
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:57 amby JohnH
Lots of comments on that you tube video that Cain is lipping ? I’m not a lip sync expert. There was lipping that year, so it wouldn’t surprised me if they had JC doing it too. Not a hard song to sing though.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:34 pmby The_Noble_Cause
JohnH wrote:Lots of comments on that you tube video that Cain is lipping ? I’m not a lip sync expert. There was lipping that year, so it wouldn’t surprised me if they had JC doing it too. Not a hard song to sing though.
From what I recall, Dean said that Jon lipped in a sign of solidarity with Augeri, who was lipping the majority of the Generations shows. It's probably accurate. I never looked into Cain. It was one song and I didn't care.
Jon def sounded good and live singing this at the concert mentioned in the original post.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:01 pmby JourneyHard
Like it or not, Jon needs to sing more in Journey concerts. Arnel's voice is getting trashed by singing too much. He needs all the breaks he can get.
Re: Jonathan Dusts Off Every Generation
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Thu Oct 17, 2024 10:26 pmby Onestepper
JourneyHard wrote:Like it or not, Jon needs to sing more in Journey concerts. Arnel's voice is getting trashed by singing too much. He needs all the breaks he can get.
No, that's why they brought Jason in for. And they also have Deen if they need to take some of the work off Arnel's plate. Jon should only be backup vocals.