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Regarding the planned upcoming 26-27 tour involving longer deeper sets etc., I was informed that this is a "farewell" tour. An announcement will be made by end of the year. Make of that what you will. I have no further info.

While I think it's probably time (assuming they aren't going to do any new music), I have a hard time thinking NS would give up the gravy train. Even if he goes out on his own, it wouldn't compare to the income that the band gives him. Just my opinion.

As with pretty much every band, it's a "Farewell...until we need another big check" tour.

So many bands and singers have had “farewell tours” only to come after so I stopped believing these a long time ago. Also, Neal is a lifer so I can’t picture him ever retiring from the road.

I saw TNC's post last night, and I was thinking that I can see Cain and Pineda leaving Journey after a 2026 tour. But I can't see Schon or Castronovo leaving Journey in the next year or two.

I think that Schon, Castronovo and probably Jensen would continue on. Ideally with Rolie in the band, but I doubt that that will happen.

If Schon could convince Sammy Hagar to join Journey, and if they had a lineup of......
Lead Vocals: Sammy Hagar
Lead Guitar: Neal Schon
Keyboards and Lead Vocals: Gregg Rolie
Drums and Lead Vocals: Deen Castronovo
Bass: Todd Jensen (Or someone else)..........

They could generate some buzz, and with 3 very good lead singers they could probably handle the lead vocals without it being too stressful on one guy the way that it largely is for Pineda at this current stage in his career.

Hagar could even take over some of the rhythm guitar playing that they would lose with the absence of Cain in the band.

If the Mark of Cain is in the band I don't care if they did dream after dream in entirety the band w9nt get a dime from me.
Why doest he go back in time and instead of holding baby
Ms White he can @$&^#! her.

scarab wrote:Why doest he go back in time and instead of holding baby
Ms White he can @$&^#! her.

That's pretty extreme, but I do appreciate the lyrical reference to Generations' "Knowing That You Love Me."

Can't see Cain leaving Journey.

Sammy Hagar hates touring and has said last year was the last time. I know people say that line as much as the farewell BS, but I believe him. That 2024 tour was a lot for him. He can still do fly outs and residencies. He's not joining Journey.

Cain is now Paula's B*tch.
He does whatever she says.
Oh yeah. When she says jump. Cains bailing.
I just wish she'd say jon go jump off a &%$^%!

JohnH wrote:Sammy Hagar hates touring and has said last year was the last time. I know people say that line as much as the farewell BS, but I believe him. That 2024 tour was a lot for him. He can still do fly outs and residencies. He's not joining Journey.

I didn't really figure that he would join Journey. I was just throwing out a hypothetical option that I figured could be good if both he and Schon were interested in doing that.

scarab wrote:Cain is now Paula's B*tch.
He does whatever she says.
Oh yeah. When she says jump. Cains bailing.
I just wish she'd say jon go jump off a &%$^%!

Why would Paula want Cain to leave Journey? It's a gravy train. It keeps big money rolling in... It keeps his profile high, which helps her ministry.

Today's news (Jon leaving Journey) prompted me to listen to some of his most recent interviews.

On an October 2nd edition of The Strang Report podcast (no idea what this is), Jon says the following at 20:27:

"I'm coming with an EP at the end of the year and then of course we go on the Journey tour, umm, uhh, in 2026 on our farewell journey tour, so i'll be saying goodbye to that and I'll prolly move on to ministry."

https://youtu.be/rprRTxAIze0?si=VvTDRK3uQJX_XuQp

FamilyMan wrote:Why would Paula want Cain to leave Journey? It's a gravy train. It keeps big money rolling in... It keeps his profile high, which helps her ministry.

He can talk about retirement all he wants, we all know he’ll still milk that gravy train off the road as much as possible. Journey is the only reason people know who he is.

Na I think you're probably wrong now, he will definitely be able to get a new lucrative audience from all the right-wing religious lunatics

ebake02 wrote:

FamilyMan wrote:Why would Paula want Cain to leave Journey? It's a gravy train. It keeps big money rolling in... It keeps his profile high, which helps her ministry.

He can talk about retirement all he wants, we all know he’ll still milk that gravy train off the road as much as possible. Journey is the only reason people know who he is.

ebake02 wrote:

FamilyMan wrote:Why would Paula want Cain to leave Journey? It's a gravy train. It keeps big money rolling in... It keeps his profile high, which helps her ministry.

He can talk about retirement all he wants, we all know he’ll still milk that gravy train off the road as much as possible. Journey is the only reason people know who he is.

I doubt many people know who Jonathan Cain is.

I remember back when "The Hunger" came out for Michael Bolton. This is back in 1987...not too long after the ROR tour. So, Journey was very much NOT out of the public mind. Bolten went on David Letterman to sing "Dock of the Bay". Dave introduced him as, "...and now Michael Bolton and....that guy from Journey." He did not know NEAL SCHON's name. So, if Neal is just "that guy from Journey" back in 1987, I definitely do not believe the general public knows the name of that guy behind the red piano. I'm sure some do, but not that many. I do not think it helps Paula's ministry....I think Paula's ministry helps him about as much as Journey does, maybe more.

Monker wrote:

ebake02 wrote:

FamilyMan wrote:Why would Paula want Cain to leave Journey? It's a gravy train. It keeps big money rolling in... It keeps his profile high, which helps her ministry.

He can talk about retirement all he wants, we all know he’ll still milk that gravy train off the road as much as possible. Journey is the only reason people know who he is.

I doubt many people know who Jonathan Cain is.

I remember back when "The Hunger" came out for Michael Bolton. This is back in 1987...not too long after the ROR tour. So, Journey was very much NOT out of the public mind. Bolten went on David Letterman to sing "Dock of the Bay". Dave introduced him as, "...and now Michael Bolton and....that guy from Journey." He did not know NEAL SCHON's name. So, if Neal is just "that guy from Journey" back in 1987, I definitely do not believe the general public knows the name of that guy behind the red piano. I'm sure some do, but not that many. I do not think it helps Paula's ministry....I think Paula's ministry helps him about as much as Journey does, maybe more.

Perry was their identity still at this time. I remember hearing Journey when I was a kid. I was 10 in 1983. I knew who Perry was. I didn't know any of the other band member names until I got their Greatest Hits cassette. I did know their initials from the Atari game.
I remember when Bad English played the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly. This was either just around or just before the first album was released. It was mentioned in the Daily News as a supergroup featuring John Waite and two guys from Journey.
When I saw Steve Smith and Vital Information back in 2001, there was a table of older couples sitting next to us. Someone asked who was playing that night. One of the others said some band with the drummer from Foreigner.
So yeah, to the everyday fan Journey was Steve Perry.

Art Vandelay wrote:Perry was their identity still at this time. I remember hearing Journey when I was a kid. I was 10 in 1983. I knew who Perry was. I didn't know any of the other band member names until I got their Greatest Hits cassette. I did know their initials from the Atari game.
I remember when Bad English played the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly. This was either just around or just before the first album was released. It was mentioned in the Daily News as a supergroup featuring John Waite and two guys from Journey.
When I saw Steve Smith and Vital Information back in 2001, there was a table of older couples sitting next to us. Someone asked who was playing that night. One of the others said some band with the drummer from Foreigner.
So yeah, to the everyday fan Journey was Steve Perry.

Wasn't Ron Wikso with The Storm before he was with Foreigner?

I'm fairly sure that the first two times that I ever saw Wikso in concert was with The Storm, and then a few years later I saw him with Foreigner.

I think that Schon, Cain, Rolie, Valory, etc, etc are pretty big names with people who pay attention to music beyond being the casual listener who only cares about hit songs and who doesn't pat very close attention to music in general.

I remember when Bad English formed that I was hearing kind of the opposite of what you mentioned about them. I was hearing Schon and Cain along with that singer who's name I can't remember.

Journey/Survivor wrote:

Art Vandelay wrote:Perry was their identity still at this time. I remember hearing Journey when I was a kid. I was 10 in 1983. I knew who Perry was. I didn't know any of the other band member names until I got their Greatest Hits cassette. I did know their initials from the Atari game.
I remember when Bad English played the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly. This was either just around or just before the first album was released. It was mentioned in the Daily News as a supergroup featuring John Waite and two guys from Journey.
When I saw Steve Smith and Vital Information back in 2001, there was a table of older couples sitting next to us. Someone asked who was playing that night. One of the others said some band with the drummer from Foreigner.
So yeah, to the everyday fan Journey was Steve Perry.

Wasn't Ron Wikso with The Storm before he was with Foreigner?

I'm fairly sure that the first two times that I ever saw Wikso in concert was with The Storm, and then a few years later I saw him with Foreigner.

I think that Schon, Cain, Rolie, Valory, etc, etc are pretty big names with people who pay attention to music beyond being the casual listener who only cares about hit songs and who doesn't pat very close attention to music in general.

I remember when Bad English formed that I was hearing kind of the opposite of what you mentioned about them. I was hearing Schon and Cain along with that singer whose name I can't remember.

Ha! Yeah, Wikso was with the Storm. But I really doubt that is what these people were referring to. The Storm wasn't on their radar lol. But that's a funny coincidence.
And yes, your point shows that music is totally subjective. It's where your focus lands. My older cousin is a jazz drummer and not so much a Journey fan. When I told him I was listening to them, he said "eh...but their drummer Steve Smith is amazing!"

Journey/Survivor wrote:I think that Schon, Cain, Rolie, Valory, etc, etc are pretty big names with people who pay attention to music beyond being the casual listener who only cares about

Monker is right. None of these people are household names.

Journey/Survivor wrote:

Art Vandelay wrote:Perry was their identity still at this time. I remember hearing Journey when I was a kid. I was 10 in 1983. I knew who Perry was. I didn't know any of the other band member names until I got their Greatest Hits cassette. I did know their initials from the Atari game.
I remember when Bad English played the Chestnut Cabaret in Philly. This was either just around or just before the first album was released. It was mentioned in the Daily News as a supergroup featuring John Waite and two guys from Journey.
When I saw Steve Smith and Vital Information back in 2001, there was a table of older couples sitting next to us. Someone asked who was playing that night. One of the others said some band with the drummer from Foreigner.
So yeah, to the everyday fan Journey was Steve Perry.

Wasn't Ron Wikso with The Storm before he was with Foreigner?

I'm fairly sure that the first two times that I ever saw Wikso in concert was with The Storm, and then a few years later I saw him with Foreigner.

I think that Schon, Cain, Rolie, Valory, etc, etc are pretty big names with people who pay attention to music beyond being the casual listener who only cares about hit songs and who doesn't pat very close attention to music in general.

I remember when Bad English formed that I was hearing kind of the opposite of what you mentioned about them. I was hearing Schon and Cain along with that singer who's name I can't remember.

Yes, Ron Wikso was with the Storm. Steve Smith was on the album but did not want to be a permanent member and tour with the band...because of his involvement in Vital Information. So, they got Wikso. But, they only toured for the first album. Wikso recorded for the second album. But, Interscope changed focus towards alternative/grunge and dropped the band and never released the album. The band broke up after that...and "Eye of the Storm" was released years later under a different label. Chalfant and Josh Ramos then continued as Two Fires, with no other members from The Storm.

Art Vandelay wrote:Ha! Yeah, Wikso was with the Storm. But I really doubt that is what these people were referring to. The Storm wasn't on their radar lol. But that's a funny coincidence.
And yes, your point shows that music is totally subjective. It's where your focus lands. My older cousin is a jazz drummer and not so much a Journey fan. When I told him I was listening to them, he said "eh...but their drummer Steve Smith is amazing!"

Back in the late 80s or early 90s a guy who worked at a record store told me that he always used to go to Journey concerts in the 80s, but that it was mainly to see Steve Smith perform.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Journey/Survivor wrote:I think that Schon, Cain, Rolie, Valory, etc, etc are pretty big names with people who pay attention to music beyond being the casual listener who only cares about

Monker is right. None of these people are household names.

Again, I would say that it depends on what you mean by "Household names."

Does the average person who isn't big into music know who they are? No.
But does the average person who is big into Rock music know who they are? Yes, with almost everyone who I've ever discussed music with at length. And that has been tons of people over the last 40 years.

I'm a huge Survivor fan and I consider Frankie Sullivan to be massively underrated as a guitarist But I've had many people over the years tell me "Never heard of him" when I bring him up.

I don't recall having ever heard someone say "Never heard of him" to me about Schon, Cain, Rolie, Valory or Smith.

I typed into Google Gemini "Do most big fans of rock music know who Neal Schon is."

Gemini's answer: While casual listeners may not know his name, most big fans of rock music absolutely know who Neal Schon is.
He is a respected and influential figure due to his extensive career and technical skill, particularly among classic rock and guitar-focused audiences.

Gemini then goes on to talk about how Schon is a virtuoso guitarist and a master technical player and how he has written and recorded some of the most famous Rock songs in history. It also mentions his legacy from other bands like Santana, Bad English, HSAS, Schon & Hammer, his work with Paul Rodgers, Sammy Hagar and many others. It mentions the fact that he's a Rock Hall Of Fame member and other accomplishments as well.

It then ends by saying....

Gemini: While major rock fans know Schon by name, more casual listeners who enjoy Journey's biggest hits might not.
For the general public, the bands success is most commonly associated with the distinctive vocals of former lead singer Steve Perry.
However, the iconic guitar riffs and soaring solos that define Journey's sound are all Neal Schon's work.



Again, I stand by my statement that Schon, Cain, Rolie, Smith and Valory are definitely household names among any serious Rock fans.

Rush announced they are going to tour next year with a new drummer. There is too much money out there for classic rock bands to make and they enjoy playing their music. So, Journey will keep touring in one shape or another.