Soul SirkUS

by **Argus** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:17 pm

Wish they were opening for VH but since that's out any news about alternate venues?

by **RubyTequila** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:37 pm

What up with Eddie's attiTUDE? sheesh!

I cant wait to see the Sirkus LIVE :-D

by **perryfaithful** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:03 am

ace wrote:Wish they were opening for VH but since that's out any news about alternate venues?

Ace ........were you scheduled to see one of those shows??

by **Monker** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:47 am

Why Soul Sirkus will not be as successful as some people think:

Name recognition. This is a new band that has no name recognition. It's not a band like Journey, or Styx, or whoever, who has been around for over 20yrs. I doubt many potential concert goers, or CD buyers, outside of those who follow melodic rock even know the band exists.

Going along with the above, there is no "Sammy Hagar" type of person to instantly gain millions of fans. Sure, Neal is there...Even though Neal has been recording for five decades, he still does not bring in the fans the way Sammy would have.

What type of label will sign them? I really have problems believing that a 'major' label would sign Soul Sirkus. They are just not 'today'. I just don't see this band going platinum or gold, or even headlining a tour. Is a Sony going to take a risk on such an unproven band? Even if they do, are they going to promote it any better then Sony promoted Arrival? I really don't think so.

What type of tour are they going to go on, and when? Van Halan would have been a dream of many fans...but, that obviously is not going to happen. So, what is? What other band could possibly give an opening band enough exposure to make Soul Sirkus an instant success? I just don't see it happening...and I absolutely do not see Soul Sirkus HEADLINING a tour.

What about radio? If Soul Sirkus does not get a decent label who believes in promoting the band, how are they going to get on radio? Where will they fit in anyway?

There is a lot of hype about Soul Sirkus. A lot of it seems to be created by the band itself (Neal and Jeff in various interviews, etc). But, I don't see it going any differently then Journey has since Arrival. In fact, I doubt it will even get that far.

It all reminds me a LOT of all of Neal's hype for Hardline. I still have a radio interview on tape where Neal says Hardline is about to explode. That is what i think will happen to Soul Sirkus...a lot of hype for : an opening band for some other established rock band (Hardline opened for Mr. Big), and an OK selling album...and then nothing else.

by **Andrew** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:55 am

Anything is possible, let's hope for the best. I know management are very jazzed about the material and the potential for them with a rock audience.

Just on Hardline, I recall they were paid an insane amount of money by the label for that album $10M I believe....but the label dropped the ball. With that initial amount of money behind them and their potential at the time, they were unlucky not to have "exploded".

by **LAWoman** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:52 pm

Oh, Monker, don't be so negative! They sound great on those MP3s on their site.

by **Monker** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:54 pm

LAWoman wrote:Oh, Monker, don't be so negative! They sound great on those MP3s on their site.

I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic.

When they sell 100,000 albums instead of going gold or platinum, what are people going to think? What they want to do isn't going to sell any better then a Two Fires album - no matter how good the songs are. Radio and the majority fo the buying public just are not into it any more.

If they were, Arrival would have sold better, Cyclorama would have sold better, Two Fires would have sold better....and it goes on and on.

Sure, it may be good music...But, does not mean it's going to live up to the hype.

by **jestor92** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:21 pm

I think the whole thing was blown way out of porportion. Everyone handled this news the wrong way. The Soul Sirkus boys should've just said we've got two potential dates with a major act for the summer, and left it at that. By saying who/when the shows were going to be with before they got all the ok's it makes Eddie look like the bad guy.

In conclusion I think Ed should've let the boys open for them because it is only 2 shows. However, I don't think he should be the one to take the blame for the whole situation because the Soul boys should've known better than to announce something that isn't signed sealed and delivered

I unfortunetly agree with Monker. Planet US with Hagar, Schon, Satriani, Castronovo, and Mikey couldn't get a record label. Remember they were rejected by the Spiderman movie which I think had a lot to do with them not making it. If Planet Us couldn't get a good record deal with that lineup what makes everyone think Jeff Scott Soto and Marco Mendoza are going to make a difference? I mean outside of Malmsteen fans and now Journey fans because of this who has actually heard of this guy and can name 4 of his songs? Same goes with Mendoza. I'm sorry guys but this thing is going to be like the Brides of Destruction all over except I don't see this band getting a record deal with a major label. Journey couldn't get Arrival pushed and they've sold how many records when that was released.

by **Bamamutt** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:05 pm

Andrew wrote:Anything is possible, let's hope for the best. I know management are very jazzed about the material and the potential for them with a rock audience.

Just on Hardline, I recall they were paid an insane amount of money by the label for that album $10M I believe....but the label dropped the ball. With that initial amount of money behind them and their potential at the time, they were unlucky not to have "exploded".

I loved listening to Hardline...

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I was listening to their music during my last year of college...It was upsetting to hear how they got shafted when the label went through a major overhaul but unfortuantly that happens in the music business.

by **Andrew** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:28 pm

[quote="jestor92"] I mean outside of Malmsteen fans and now Journey fans because of this who has actually heard of this guy and can name 4 of his songs? [quote]

His fans (me included) could name a hundred. Prepare for the e-mails!

by **LAWoman** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:32 pm

Monker wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Oh, Monker, don't be so negative! They sound great on those MP3s on their site.

I'm not being negative, I'm being realistic.

When they sell 100,000 albums instead of going gold or platinum, what are people going to think? What they want to do isn't going to sell any better then a Two Fires album - no matter how good the songs are. Radio and the majority fo the buying public just are not into it any more.

If they were, Arrival would have sold better, Cyclorama would have sold better, Two Fires would have sold better....and it goes on and on.

Sure, it may be good music...But, does not mean it's going to live up to the hype.

So these days you have to be a supergroup with huge names or just give up? Who even cares how many albums they sell. This is not Journey or Styx with a new album---it is a new group. The "hype" is that people are excited about this band. SS is going about things a little differently anyway. They seem like they want to get to Europe first. Sounds like a good strategy to me. And if you have ever seen JSS perform, he knows how to get a crowd going. People are hungry for a band like this.

by **Journeynut** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:43 pm

LAWoman wrote:
Monker wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Oh, Monker, don't be so negative! They sound great on those MP3s on their site.

.

So these days you have to be a supergroup with huge names or just give up? Who even cares how many albums they sell. This is not Journey or Styx with a new album---it is a new group. The "hype" is that people are excited about this band. SS is going about things a little differently anyway. They seem like they want to get to Europe first. Sounds like a good strategy to me. And if you have ever seen JSS perform, he knows how to get a crowd going. People are hungry for a band like this.

Isn't that how the music business is these days? You have to be young, blonde and naked to sell records (who cares if you can sing)
Real talent doesnt really matter. It is a travesty. Yes you do have to be a huge name or just give up or be a nostalgia band.
Yes there will be some people looking for this music and eagerly buying it...but will it be enough?

by **jestor92** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:22 am

His fans (me included) could name a hundred. Prepare for the e-mails!

I have to agree Soto does have his fan base as do Schon, Castronovo, and Mendoza. Facts are facts though that the band will not sell. They will either get a crap record deal or nothing at all.

La Guns and Motley Crue both have bigger fan bases than Blue Murder, and Malmsteen yet the Brides sold like 8,000 some odd records with their first collaberation.

Facts are facts though, Planet Us couldn't get a contract with Sammy I Can't Drive 55 Hagar doing the vocs and unfortunently I believe the same will happen with this band, and before long it will either dissolve or put a record out through Journey Records...either way when one does come out I'll buy it because of my being a fan of JRNY.[/quote]

by **Gaffguitars** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:01 pm

I can't wait for this album. I love everything Neal does and Jeff has an incredible voice. Should make for something great. Whether it's successful or not who knows? I just hope it's good.

by **jrnysc** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:14 pm

jestor92 wrote:

His fans (me included) could name a hundred. Prepare for the e-mails!

I have to agree Soto does have his fan base as do Schon, Castronovo, and Mendoza. Facts are facts though that the band will not sell. They will either get a crap record deal or nothing at all.

La Guns and Motley Crue both have bigger fan bases than Blue Murder, and Malmsteen yet the Brides sold like 8,000 some odd records with their first collaberation.

Facts are facts though, Planet Us couldn't get a contract with Sammy I Can't Drive 55 Hagar doing the vocs and unfortunently I believe the same will happen with this band, and before long it will either dissolve or put a record out through Journey Records...either way when one does come out I'll buy it because of my being a fan of JRNY.

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From my understanding they already have Iring Azoff as a manager, and word has been they have been made several record deals, and are saying BIG things are in the works. Im certainly not one in the know, but sounds like to me things are going VERY well at this stage.

by **Bamamutt** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:44 pm

jrnysc wrote:
From my understanding they already have Iring Azoff as a manager, and word has been they have been made several record deals, and are saying BIG things are in the works. Im certainly not one in the know, but sounds like to me things are going VERY well at this stage.

..Just curious....So is this still just one of Neal's "Side Projects" or is it something greater?

by **jrnyjetster** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:34 pm

....so you never know...I think Sirkus has the potential to be big wih the right promotion. AND if you'd been listening to MODERN ROCK radio lately, it seems that 'mainstream' rock is making a big comeback.

Saw Velvet Revolver on Leno last week and they freakin' ROCKED! GNR meets STP...interesting combination!

by **JourneyTroll** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:53 pm

Can someone tell me the band lineup for Soul Sirkus? Would they be playing original material?

Journeytroll

by **KZib** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:12 am

Jeff Scott Soto Deen Castronovo Neal Schon and Marco Mendoza and yes - I think it's all original no covers.

by **msmercury01** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:46 pm

Yes, it's all originals and I can name more than four songs by Jeff Scott Soto.

by **Argus** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:14 pm

msmercury01 wrote:Yes, it's all originals and I can name more than four songs by Jeff Scott Soto.

All I know is Believe In Me freakin' Rocks!

by **perryfaithful** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:12 pm

ace wrote:
msmercury01 wrote:Yes, it's all originals and I can name more than four songs by Jeff Scott Soto.

All I know is Believe In Me freakin' Rocks!

can I hear that on line??

by **Eric** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:57 am

jestor92:

You pose an interesting question....

by **Eric** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:57 am

Believe in Me is the direction I would love Journey to go....

by **Argus** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:30 pm

perryfaithful wrote:
ace wrote:
msmercury01 wrote:Yes, it's all originals and I can name more than four songs by Jeff Scott Soto.

All I know is Believe In Me freakin' Rocks!

can I hear that on line??

There are sound clips here--->http://www.jeffscottsoto.com/Believe_in_Me_EP/BelieveInMe-EP.htm

by **Rockindeano** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:37 pm

I hope they fail. Yes, fail. Know why? Because I am fearful of Journey dissolving. I see Neal as wanting "his type of tunes" and not Perry's. Look, I love Neal more than anyone, and I love Journey more than that.....SS needs to go away....IMHO......Hell, would you like it if SS got a lot of publicity...perhaps, AND likely more than Journey? Hell NO!!!

If Neal really wants the true limelight(as good as Augeri is), hire back Steve P. , stick with Journey, do the fucking stadiums, and dwarf VH's reunion tour.

by **jrnysc** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:44 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:I hope they fail. Yes, fail. Know why? Because I am fearful of Journey dissolving. I see Neal as wanting "his type of tunes" and not Perry's. Look, I love Neal more than anyone, and I love Journey more than that.....SS needs to go away....IMHO......Hell, would you like it if SS got a lot of publicity...perhaps, AND likely more than Journey? Hell NO!!!

If Neal really wants the true limelight(as good as Augeri is), hire back Steve P. , stick with Journey, do the fucking stadiums, and dwarf VH's reunion tour.

I will give my opinion on your post, and respect your opinion. Journey is better live now than ever IMO, and yes, that is without Perry. I have seen them with both. Augeri is a band member in every way. He tours EVERY year, and has won the hearts of Journey fans all over the country. Journey has had their hayday, and im sure they realize that. At this point they are doing what they love. And, as Jeff Scott Soto posted on the Journey message boards, Journey is far from over. He said you can take that to the bank. He knows better than I, but its great to hear. I will take them both, Journey and Soul Sirkus, and love every minute!!

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:27 am

Journey is better live now than ever IMO, and yes, that is without Perry. I have seen them with both. Augeri is a band member in every way. He tours EVERY year, and has won the hearts of Journey fans all over the country.

I know everything about Journey. I have seen them 20 times the last 4 years. I don't want that to end.

by **LAWoman** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:46 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Journey is better live now than ever IMO, and yes, that is without Perry. I have seen them with both. Augeri is a band member in every way. He tours EVERY year, and has won the hearts of Journey fans all over the country.

I know everything about Journey. I have seen them 20 times the last 4 years. I don't want that to end.

Nobody said Journey is ending, in fact, they keep saying just the opposite, but nobody seems to hear those words when they say it.

My opinion is I want to hear new music. If Neal can't get it done with Journey, then I hope he gets it done with Soul SirkUS. I am positive that Neal has a lot of great new music in him and I want to hear it. If everyone took the approach of--let's just stay with what is safe and what we already know we like, Journey wouldn't have happened in the first place. Fabulous things come from taking risks. I totally admire Neal's ability to just take a chance on something and see what happens.

by **Monker** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:24 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:I know everything about Journey. I have seen them 20 times the last 4 years. I don't want that to end.

If you don't want Journey to end, why would you ever suggest putting Perry back in the band? He doesn't want to be there. How more obvious can he make it?

I don't think Journey is "over". I think Journey being enthused about Journey's future is over. I think Journey is more excited about doing things outside of Journey then doing Journey itself. I think Journey will continue to tour but I think the true excitement is with other bands now.

MR

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VELVET REVOLVER is doing very well on the charts....

interesting

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