Perry Never Looks At The Audience???

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Postby Jeremey » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:48 am

journeyrock wrote:Very interesting, thanks for that Jeremey! BTW, as much as I don't care for HH, I DO believe that he was VERY instrumental in the success of Journey, he is the one that pushed and pushed and marketed and marketed, since the band became successful on touring, not hits. Steve was the voice behind it, but in actuality, Herbie was the business behind it. For that I am grateful to HH.

And Perry reiterated that at the WOF ceremony as well!


Very true about Herbie, and I don't take anything away from what he accomplished for the band. It was Herbie that knew the band needed Perry initially, and it was his business acumen that helped them rake in the dough. But as with anything in life, there's always the possibility of a hidden agenda, so I just wanted to put that side of the story out there!
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Postby journeyrock » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:59 am

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journeyrock wrote:Very interesting, thanks for that Jeremey! BTW, as much as I don't care for HH, I DO believe that he was VERY instrumental in the success of Journey, he is the one that pushed and pushed and marketed and marketed, since the band became successful on touring, not hits. Steve was the voice behind it, but in actuality, Herbie was the business behind it. For that I am grateful to HH.

And Perry reiterated that at the WOF ceremony as well!


Very true about Herbie, and I don't take anything away from what he accomplished for the band. It was Herbie that knew the band needed Perry initially, and it was his business acumen that helped them rake in the dough. But as with anything in life, there's always the possibility of a hidden agenda, so I just wanted to put that side of the story out there!
yup, and thank you. I was agreeing with you on all accounts. It's nice to hear some truth to some of this from someone who got it from the horses mouth.
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Postby tammy » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:29 am

Well, we can be grateful for HH's vision...he did recognize the shining star that SP is and put him in the band (even if he was complaining about it)...he did understand the business & pioneered some of the things that no other band had done before (apparently even Mick Jagger came to him to learn some business stuff)...so yes, he is a huge part of the success. But, we don't know what went on behind the scenes that maybe SP knew about.
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Postby annie89509 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:34 pm

Jeremey wrote:I never saw Perry live, but he never appeared to be too shy about engaging the audience, which I think is the point Herbie tried making in his interview. To be honest, I am willing to bet that with rare exceptions, Perry never was able to see much past the third or fourth row of the crowd anyway.

Jonathan Cain told me a story about why there was so much lingering animosity for Perry with Herbie. It was basically a business situation, and Perry was very strong willed in his belief that Herbie was overstepping some boundaries. The band sided with Perry, and apparently Herbie still carries some of that anger around. After all, the guy does believe that he was the reason for all of Journey's success and popularity, and that's an awful lot of "$ucce$$" to lose control of...

Jeremey, thanks for that insight from JC. Pretty much what we have all concluded from gathering all the little tidbits that are out there. One particular excerpt from HH's interview had him describing Journey's business meetings as each accompanied by his lawyer ... Herbie sitting at one end of long conference table and SP at the other end ... yelling at each other ... nobody else saying a word sitting on both sides of the table ... swinging their heads toward whoever is talking, like they are watching a tennis match. Very funny visual :P .

And there are the promo tapes: 1 from ROR and 1 from TBF. Each one has Steve-Neal-Jon talking about having to work out business matters before they could go into the studio. Business invariably meant financial and work conditions. As much as people would like to think that the band couldn’t stand SP, it’s not hard to fathom that they supported Steve 100% in their business dealings with Herbie. Fighting for concessions from management is a universal theme among any working class of people, and I gotta think Steve achieved a lot for the group … in their time together.
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Postby squirt1 » Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:08 pm

Jeremy- Your insights are appreciated.
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Postby RaisedOnRadio92 » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:56 am

This one pretty much proves Herbie wrong, too.

I never could figure out what gig Steve played outside and during the day on the FTLOSM tour, though.

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Postby Deb » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:03 am

tammy wrote:Well, we can be grateful for HH's vision...he did recognize the shining star that SP is and put him in the band (even if he was complaining about it)...he did understand the business & pioneered some of the things that no other band had done before (apparently even Mick Jagger came to him to learn some business stuff)...so yes, he is a huge part of the success. But, we don't know what went on behind the scenes that maybe SP knew about.


True, like him or not, he knew a GREAT singer when he heard one. Managed two of my all-time favorite vocalists in SP and EM. :)
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Postby BudACAD » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:24 am

We saw Journey live in the mid 80's at Cavalries County. Mountain Air II. My co worker and I went right up front and Steve was looking at everyone... At one point the entire band was looking right at me<Grin>. All the sudden I feel beer spilling all over my head and back of my neck. This girl is on her boyfriends shoulders and she flashed the band. When she did, I got a bath at the same time. I can tell you that everyone was looking that way then<Grin>. 8)

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Postby perryfaithful » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:48 am

RaisedOnRadio92 wrote:This one pretty much proves Herbie wrong, too.

I never could figure out what gig Steve played outside and during the day on the FTLOSM tour, though.

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never saw this pic before! nice.....
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Postby Ftloperry » Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:24 am

Was this one of the pics taken in Puerto Rico? Anyone know? It looks to be.
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Postby cyndy! » Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:53 am

Ftloperry wrote:Was this one of the pics taken in Puerto Rico? Anyone know? It looks to be.

i'm pretty sure this was taken during soundcheck in puerto rico. a soundcheck experience was included in the fan club travel package.
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Postby perryfaithful » Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:26 am

cyndy! wrote:
Ftloperry wrote:Was this one of the pics taken in Puerto Rico? Anyone know? It looks to be.

i'm pretty sure this was taken during soundcheck in puerto rico. a soundcheck experience was included in the fan club travel package.



thanks much cyndy!
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