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Journey/Survivor wrote:Also, if you don't mind, can you please name a few singers who you would name ahead of Jamison and Gramm (Besides Perry) if there are singers who you like better than Jamison and Gramm?
Journey/Survivor wrote:Steve Perry is my second favorite singer of all time, just a hair behind Jimi Jamison, and just a hair ahead of Lou Gramm.
I'm curious as to how well any of you would rank Jimi Jamison and Lou Gramm compared to Steve Perry?My Ranking would be close to yours with Perry,Jamison then Gramm in the top 3
Assuming that Perry is your favorite singer, would you rank Jamison and Gramm close behind Perry? Would you rank them way behind Perry?
If you like Perry's singing better, can you tell me why it is that you rank Perry ahead of Jamison and Gramm? What is it that you feel is better about Perry's singing than Jamison and Gramm?Jamison and Gramm are pure rockers no doubt. Love em' But Perry's delivery was pure emotive excellence imo. I Love the soul sound he had and I;m a big fan of his heroes like Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Jackie Wilson also. The Temptations were Gold imo No disrespect to Gramm or Jamison. You can't go wrong with all three. Top notch vocalists all around. Wish Jimi was still with us.
Many of you are probably already aware of this without me telling you? But Jimi Jamison sang "High On You" "I Can't Hold Back" "The Search Is Over" "Burning Heart" and "Is This Love." He did NOT sing "Eye Of The Tiger."
19td73 wrote:Journey/Survivor wrote:Also, if you don't mind, can you please name a few singers who you would name ahead of Jamison and Gramm (Besides Perry) if there are singers who you like better than Jamison and Gramm?
I wouldn't put these above Jamison or Gramm but here are few on the top of my head that I love. Perry is the king of my list also lol! But these are some of my alltime faves. Much respect and enjoyable to my ears
Freddie Mercury
Mickey Thomas ( Just saw him in March and still sounds unbelievable at his age)
Tommy Shaw
Dennis Deyoung
Rik Emmitt
Bobby Kimball
C.J Snare (Firehouse)
Kevin Chalfant
Gil Moore
Joseph Williams
Dave Bickler
There are so many more but ill stop here Love these guys voices,
C.J. Snare was during the hair band era and imo very underrated vocalist. He still has the pipes! And Gil Moore was the drummer/singer for Triumph. Typing this made remember another great drummer/singer i really enjoy being Kelly Keagy of Night Ranger.
No problem! sorry if I went alittle off topic with naming so many of my personal faves. There are so many more that need mentions. Sorry to hear about your friend. He sounds like he was a true rocker and had good taste in music.
19td73 wrote:I do not know who C.J Snare is, other than you having said which band he's from. And I don't really know who Gil Moore is? The name does sound slightly familiar though.C.J. Snare was during the hair band era and imo very underrated vocalist. He still has the pipes! And Gil Moore was the drummer/singer for Triumph. Typing this made remember another great drummer/singer i really enjoy being Kelly Keagy of Night Ranger.
I like all of the others who you named though.
Bickler, Chalfant, Kimball, Shaw and Thomas all rank very high on my list.
A friend of mine who died back in 2015 was a mammoth fan of Rik Emmitt. Jamison, Meniketti and Emmitt were his top 3 favorites. Lou Gramm and Dave Bickler were also extremely high on his list. That friend of mine was a singer himself. He had a great high range like Perry and Emmitt.
Thanks for answering my questions!
[/quote]No problem! sorry if I went alittle off topic with naming so many of my personal faves. There are so many more that need mentions. Sorry to hear about your friend. He sounds like he was a true rocker and had good taste in music.
Jeremey wrote:Tons of singers that I enjoy as much or better than Steve Perry or others on this list. But it's totally subjective. AND it also separates the song from the singer, which is hard to do. I love Steve Perry singing classic Journey songs, because they are great songs and he's a great singer. I didn't warm up to Traces, the songs just didn't appeal to me. I love Colin Hay from Men at Work; he's much less technically gifted than Steve Perry but he's an amazing songwriter in his own right and hearing him sing his songs is magic. Looking at classic rock or AOR, I'd say I love Robert Plant just as much as Steve Perry. Because I love his songs and the way he sings them. I don't like to listen to him sing with Alison Krauss, I just don't like those songs.
George Michael is, in my opinion, technically a better singer than Steve Perry, though that means nothing in the context of what you prefer in a singer. George has a touch more control I think and he's certainly a better songwriter. Both George and Steve have a deep R&B influence to their singing style, but Steve is more Sam Cooke and David Ruffin where George is more Stevie Wonder, and as a younger artist than Perry is more influences by Freddie M and Elton John. I'd put him singing "Praying for Time" or "My Mother Had a Brother" right up there with anything Steve Perry sings, from a technical standpoint - but I'd put Steve Perry singing "I Believe" or "Foolish Heart" or "After the Fall" above George singing "Fastlove" or "This is How We Want You to Get High" ...
So I guess that's my way of saying don't forget about the song. It's not always about technically who is best. That's the magic of vocals versus any other instrument... that interpretation of the song and the way a singer delivers it to your heart is always worth so much more in my book than technically who is best (be it guitar, drums, piano, etc).
Don't forget the songs!
EDIT: Now I have to listen to "I Believe" and man it's such a great song. Steve does such an amazing job on the vocals and the throwback vibe is perfection.
Jeremey wrote:So I guess that's my way of saying don't forget about the song. It's not always about technically who is best. That's the magic of vocals versus any other instrument... that interpretation of the song and the way a singer delivers it to your heart is always worth so much more in my book than technically who is best (be it guitar, drums, piano, etc).
Don't forget the songs!
EDIT: Now I have to listen to "I Believe" and man it's such a great song. Steve does such an amazing job on the vocals and the throwback vibe is perfection.
Monker wrote:Jeremey wrote:So I guess that's my way of saying don't forget about the song. It's not always about technically who is best. That's the magic of vocals versus any other instrument... that interpretation of the song and the way a singer delivers it to your heart is always worth so much more in my book than technically who is best (be it guitar, drums, piano, etc).
Don't forget the songs!
EDIT: Now I have to listen to "I Believe" and man it's such a great song. Steve does such an amazing job on the vocals and the throwback vibe is perfection.
And, what do you do when one singer covers a legendary band and can blow you away just as much as the original, or maybe even remake a song in a vision that is better than the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Yi6TV ... ovomestsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv54giO ... mandoRamos
And, then inspires a third legend to cover the cover version instead of the original legends version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cro7kZ ... TinaTurner
Arnel covered it as Farnham's version as well.
Yes, I understand what you are saying about the song being important and how you relate to it. But, you relate to it because of the singer's ability to create a vocal that causes your emotional response. If he is the writer, he writes the lyrics thinking of the vocal. That is also part of the talent equation.
BTW, when I heard Farnham's 33 1/3 album my first thought was that this should have been a Steve Perry album. I think this song could have been on Traces....he could have even kept it in his range. Could Perry have done it better than Farnham back in 2000? I don't know...they both have a voice that matches that style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zNr4Vj ... eeTheRocks
And, if you want funky "Don't Tell Me Why You're Leavin'":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK9uhGm ... eeTheRocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gKlO7w ... eeTheRocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxatb8k ... oshitzMico
Perry should have done songs like this instead of FTLOSM...or after and said "fuck it" and thrown hit singles out the window and just did it. I wish he had...if you search YouTube, there are some crazy bad quality pre-Journey things that show this wild R&B funky style so you KNOW he had to have this in his soul. I really wish he had let it out more than just a few songs, "I Believe" and "Don't Tell Me Why You're Leavin'" included.
Monker wrote:
And, what do you do when one singer covers a legendary band and can blow you away just as much as the original, or maybe even remake a song in a vision that is better than the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Yi6TV ... ovomestsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv54giO ... mandoRamos
And, then inspires a third legend to cover the cover version instead of the original legends version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cro7kZ ... TinaTurner
Arnel covered it as Farnham's version as well.
Yes, I understand what you are saying about the song being important and how you relate to it. But, you relate to it because of the singer's ability to create a vocal that causes your emotional response. If he is the writer, he writes the lyrics thinking of the vocal. That is also part of the talent equation.
BTW, when I heard Farnham's 33 1/3 album my first thought was that this should have been a Steve Perry album. I think this song could have been on Traces....he could have even kept it in his range. Could Perry have done it better than Farnham back in 2000? I don't know...they both have a voice that matches that style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zNr4Vj ... eeTheRocks
And, if you want funky "Don't Tell Me Why You're Leavin'":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK9uhGm ... eeTheRocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gKlO7w ... eeTheRocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxatb8k ... oshitzMico
Perry should have done songs like this instead of FTLOSM...or after and said "fuck it" and thrown hit singles out the window and just did it. I wish he had...if you search YouTube, there are some crazy bad quality pre-Journey things that show this wild R&B funky style so you KNOW he had to have this in his soul. I really wish he had let it out more than just a few songs, "I Believe" and "Don't Tell Me Why You're Leavin'" included.
Journey/Survivor wrote:
Hey Jeremy. Thank you for the response to my question.
I agree with you in most ways about who the best singers are being a subjective question and answer.
How familiar are you with Jimi Jamison and Lou Gramm's singing? Do you mostly just know the hits, or do you know a lot of the deep cuts from the albums that they sang on?
Jeremey wrote:Journey/Survivor wrote:
Hey Jeremy. Thank you for the response to my question.
I agree with you in most ways about who the best singers are being a subjective question and answer.
How familiar are you with Jimi Jamison and Lou Gramm's singing? Do you mostly just know the hits, or do you know a lot of the deep cuts from the albums that they sang on?
I'm not very familiar with much of Jimi Jamison's songs - I know he was the singer for Survivor and I know Survivor had 2 lead singers and unfortunately I am not sure which one sang which song... I am much more familiar with Lou Gramm and I was actually a fan of Foreigner in the early 80s when I was a kid long before I started listening to Journey in the 90s. But unfortunately with Lou I'm only familiar with the songs on Foreigner 4 and their greatest hits.
Journey/Survivor wrote:
Jim Jamison was Survivor's second singer. The Survivor hits that Jamison sang that you are probably familiar with are "I Cant Hold Back" "High On You" "The Search Is Over" "Is This Love" and "Burning Heart" which was in Rock IV. You might also be familiar with the Survivor/Jamison song "The Moment Of Truth" which was in the first The Karate Kid movie? And Jamison also sang the theme song for Baywatch "I'm Always Here."
Dave Bickler was Survivors first singer. He sang "Eye Of The Tiger" "Poor Man's Son" "Caught In The Game" and "American Heartbeat" among other Survivor hits.
Journey/Survivor wrote:Survivor did have a number of hits with Dave Bickler. This is where those songs charted on Billboard....
Eye Of The Tiger # 1 for six weeks straight
American Heartbeat #17
Poor Mans Son #33 (#19 on the Rock Chart)
Summer Nights #62
Somewhere In America #70
The One That Really Matters #74
Caught In The Game #77 (#16 on the Rock chart)
But yes, most of the Survivor hits that people remember outside of Eye Of The Tiger were sung by Jimi Jamison
Burning Heart #2
The Search Is Over #4
High On You #8
Is This Love #9
I Can't Hold Back #13
How Much Love #51
First Night #53
Didn't Know It Was Love #62
The Moment Of Truth #63
Across The Miles #74 (#17 on the AC Chart)
Man Against The World #86
Jeremey wrote:I remember hearing "I've Got A lot to Learn About Love" on the radio when I was a senior in HS and this was before I was really any fan of Journey at thinking "Oh Journey has a new song out, that's kind of a weird stylistic choice after "Girl Can't Help It," "I"ll Be Alright" and "Be Good to Yourself" it seemed like a much weaker song but man it did sound like Steve Perry singing.
Jeremey wrote:I remember hearing "I've Got A lot to Learn About Love" on the radio when I was a senior in HS and this was before I was really any fan of Journey at thinking "Oh Journey has a new song out, that's kind of a weird stylistic choice after "Girl Can't Help It," "I"ll Be Alright" and "Be Good to Yourself" it seemed like a much weaker song but man it did sound like Steve Perry singing.
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