When You Love A Woman

[Saint John]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

[Deb]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Don't you mean coach.

[Jana]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Don't you mean coach.

I thought he meant couch, like psychiatric.

[portland]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Don't you mean coach.

I thought he meant couch, like psychiatric.

No that's what Dan needs some couch time

[Jana]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Don't you mean coach.

I thought he meant couch, like psychiatric.

No that's what Dan needs some couch time

[StoneCold]

I can't even talk about this song...

Why not?

[Saint John]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Don't you mean coach.

I thought he meant couch, like psychiatric.

No that's what Dan needs some couch time

I'll be on that motherfucker all day tomorrow watching college football.

[Michigan Girl]

I can't even talk about this song...

Why not?

LMAO!!!
Noooooo, but nice try!!!

[KDOUBLEU]

I can't even talk about this song...

Why not?

LMAO!!!
Noooooo, but nice try!!!

I was wondering the same thing MG Whats up with that???

[Red13JoePa]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Don't you mean coach.

I thought he meant couch, like psychiatric.

No that's what Dan needs some couch time

I'll be on that motherfucker all day tomorrow watching college football.

Right on, HUGE Big11 game in Happy Valley as 4-2 Minny visits the JoePas in the snow...
Red River Shootout tommorrow, USC-ND, 'Bama vs The Old Ballcoach, playoff baseball tomm night we could go on

[tammy]

Love the song and the video for it. Wayne Isham did a stellar job on the video! He directed some of my all-time favorite videos from the 80s and 90s. Especially the live footage vids.

http://www.mvdbase.com/tech.php?last=Isham&first=Wayne

Wow, he has done a lot. When I first saw the "When you love a woman" I was crying like a baby...if you can imagine having loved someone (SP, in this case) and not seeing or hearing him for 25 yrs and then seeing and hearing them again...well, that is what it was for me. It actually hurt in my heart...but, it was so beautiful, too *heavy sigh*. (Most excellent job, Mr. Wayne Isham.)

[Deb]

Love the song and the video for it. Wayne Isham did a stellar job on the video! He directed some of my all-time favorite videos from the 80s and 90s. Especially the live footage vids.

http://www.mvdbase.com/tech.php?last=Isham&first=Wayne

Wow, he has done a lot. When I first saw the "When you love a woman" I was crying like a baby...if you can imagine having loved someone (SP, in this case) and not seeing or hearing him for 25 yrs and then seeing and hearing them again...well, that is what it was for me. It actually hurt in my heart...but, it was so beautiful, too *heavy sigh*. (Most excellent job, Mr. Wayne Isham.)

I first heard of him years ago, he's the one who is pretty much responsible for ALL of Bon Jovi's live videos and many, many others. He also directed Journey's Raised On Radio Documentary.

This is him directing a video of Aldo Nova's with Jon Bon Jovi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZDu3c-f1RM

[G.I.Jim]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Note to self... Play some REAL Journey very loud right now!!!

[Saint John]

Love the song and the video for it. Wayne Isham did a stellar job on the video! He directed some of my all-time favorite videos from the 80s and 90s. Especially the live footage vids.

http://www.mvdbase.com/tech.php?last=Isham&first=Wayne

Wow, he has done a lot. When I first saw the "When you love a woman" I was crying like a baby...if you can imagine having loved someone (SP, in this case) and not seeing or hearing him for 25 yrs and then seeing and hearing them again...well, that is what it was for me. It actually hurt in my heart...but, it was so beautiful, too *heavy sigh*. (Most excellent job, Mr. Wayne Isham.)

You sound like a mental case.

[Michigan Girl]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Note to self... Play some REAL Journey very loud right now!!!

I am LMAO!!!

I said THIS song!!!
And it's never been put to the test, LIVE...THANK GOD!!

[Ehwmatt]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Note to self... Play some REAL Journey very loud right now!!!

Oh for fucks sake Jim i'm sure you know some sweet sexy lounge piano to make that cocktail dress fall off that cna beat twinkleFriga's riffs (wylaw is a good one for him though)

[G.I.Jim]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Note to self... Play some REAL Journey very loud right now!!!

Oh for fucks sake Jim i'm sure you know some sweet sexy lounge piano to make that cocktail dress fall off that cna beat twinkleFriga's riffs (wylaw is a good one for him though)

While I do my best... I'm no John Cain! I did have some luck with the ladies when I was younger though (keyboards were used frequently in my plan of attack!).

[KDOUBLEU]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Note to self... Play some REAL Journey very loud right now!!!

Oh for fucks sake Jim i'm sure you know some sweet sexy lounge piano to make that cocktail dress fall off that cna beat twinkleFriga's riffs (wylaw is a good one for him though)

While I do my best... I'm no John Cain! I did have some luck with the ladies when I was younger though (keyboards were used frequently in my plan of attack!).

Im sure it still works with your wife everytime Right??

[G.I.Jim]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Note to self... Play some REAL Journey very loud right now!!!

Oh for fucks sake Jim i'm sure you know some sweet sexy lounge piano to make that cocktail dress fall off that cna beat twinkleFriga's riffs (wylaw is a good one for him though)

While I do my best... I'm no John Cain! I did have some luck with the ladies when I was younger though (keyboards were used frequently in my plan of attack!).

Im sure it still works with your wife everytime Right??

Not at all... she tunes it out! She doesn't even listen to me play anymore. I try to get her interested, but she's probably just bored with hearing me play 80's tunes for the last 15 years! She likes country and a lot of newer rock... WTF is WRONG with her?

[KDOUBLEU]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Note to self... Play some REAL Journey very loud right now!!!

Oh for fucks sake Jim i'm sure you know some sweet sexy lounge piano to make that cocktail dress fall off that cna beat twinkleFriga's riffs (wylaw is a good one for him though)

While I do my best... I'm no John Cain! I did have some luck with the ladies when I was younger though (keyboards were used frequently in my plan of attack!).

Im sure it still works with your wife everytime Right??

Not at all... she tunes it out! She doesn't even listen to me play anymore. I try to get her interested, but she's probably just bored with hearing me play 80's tunes for the last 15 years! She likes country and a lot of newer rock... WTF is WRONG with her?

Sounds like she needs a good spanking!!

[G.I.Jim]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Note to self... Play some REAL Journey very loud right now!!!

Oh for fucks sake Jim i'm sure you know some sweet sexy lounge piano to make that cocktail dress fall off that cna beat twinkleFriga's riffs (wylaw is a good one for him though)

While I do my best... I'm no John Cain! I did have some luck with the ladies when I was younger though (keyboards were used frequently in my plan of attack!).

Im sure it still works with your wife everytime Right??

Not at all... she tunes it out! She doesn't even listen to me play anymore. I try to get her interested, but she's probably just bored with hearing me play 80's tunes for the last 15 years! She likes country and a lot of newer rock... WTF is WRONG with her?

Sounds like she needs a good spanking!!

I agree... she HAS been naughty!

[Escape81]

One of my favorite Journey ballads. I'm a huge fan of Trial By Fire and this song demonstrates that Steve doesn't need to have his old range and power to be an effective singer... the strength of this vocal performance is its simplicity... sure, Steve probably couldn't sing the old catalogue anything like he used to, but TBF remains a fantastic album just the same.

[Author2]

One of my favorite Journey ballads. I'm a huge fan of Trial By Fire and this song demonstrates that Steve doesn't need to have his old range and power to be an effective singer... the strength of this vocal performance is its simplicity... sure, Steve probably couldn't sing the old catalogue anything like he used to, but TBF remains a fantastic album just the same.

Indeed!

[Tomulator]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

I've heard it....great version for remaining celebate!!!

So true....talk about jolting you right out of the mood. I clicked on one of the youtube videos of this song,performed by the new Journey by accident. Not pleasant to my ears,it's like when you order an ice cold Coke,and they bring you an RC Cola instead (believe me I can tell the difference in a big way!).

I have never tried to take away anything from AP, but I have always said...if my clothes
are still on at the end of this song it ain't the real thang!!!

Nice "descriptive" way of putting it MG!

Well done.

[steveo777]

Journey does a fantastic live version of this song on the #1 selling Manila DVD

hahah, now the playing field is even...we get AP inserted or worked into any thread as SP is...no harm no foul...its all good, thats what the forum is all about.

Time to put all the kids back in the sandbox again!!!

Oh, yeah, good idea. Then with the Perry photos, we can add Neal photos and Jon photos and Arnel photos and Deen photos and even Ross photos since it would be a Journey forum.

I got your Neal photo in my avatar Jana.

WYLAW is a great song. I have to say that I love Arnel's take on this song. I like the original too.

[Escape81]

I know this is the Steve Perry forum, so I'll refrain from posting too much about Arnel's take on the song... but I really do like it too.

[Author2]

I like Perry's take on the song such emotion and passion - can understand why nominated for a grammy. Can't really get into Arnel's theatrical sound - sounds like Shakesphere reciting poetry. As evident by all the great soulful/passionate singers without that theatrical sound, you can still be manly, without recitals. There was a teleprompter discussion about the DVD, but I believe it was said that he moves around too much to really be using it so maybe having mimicked others for so long and basically committed others songs to memory rather than heart gives him that recital tone?

[steveo777]

I like Perry's take on the song such emotion and passion - can understand why nominated for a grammy. Can't really get into Arnel's theatrical sound - sounds like Shakesphere reciting poetry. As evident by all the great soulful/passionate singers without that theatrical sound, you can still be manly, without recitals. There was a teleprompter discussion about the DVD, but I believe it was said that he moves around too much to really be using it so maybe having mimicked others for so long and basically committed others songs to memory rather than heart gives him that recital tone?

No, he just really is that good.

[Jana]

I like Perry's take on the song such emotion and passion - can understand why nominated for a grammy. Can't really get into Arnel's theatrical sound - sounds like Shakesphere reciting poetry. As evident by all the great soulful/passionate singers without that theatrical sound, you can still be manly, without recitals. There was a teleprompter discussion about the DVD, but I believe it was said that he moves around too much to really be using it so maybe having mimicked others for so long and basically committed others songs to memory rather than heart gives him that recital tone?

Steve Perry is the man, definitely, and perfection on WYLAW on TBF. But you ended your post with a question mark, so I will respond. You don't hear heart in Arnel's delivery. I absolutely do. He sings with great emotion and soulfulness to me in his ballads and am always moved. I don't hear a theatrical sound in Arnel's rendition of WYLAW. Everyone reacts to a singer differently or a particular song performed. It's just a matter of preference, for the most part, when being moved by a singer, subjective.

[KDOUBLEU]

I like Perry's take on the song such emotion and passion - can understand why nominated for a grammy. Can't really get into Arnel's theatrical sound - sounds like Shakesphere reciting poetry. As evident by all the great soulful/passionate singers without that theatrical sound, you can still be manly, without recitals. There was a teleprompter discussion about the DVD, but I believe it was said that he moves around too much to really be using it so maybe having mimicked others for so long and basically committed others songs to memory rather than heart gives him that recital tone?

Steve Perry is the man, definitely, and perfection on WYLAW on TBF. But you ended your post with a question mark, so I will respond. You don't hear heart in Arnel's delivery. I absolutely do. He sings with great emotion and soulfulness to me in his ballads and am always moved. I don't hear a theatrical sound in Arnel's rendition of WYLAW. Everyone reacts to a singer differently or a particular song performed. It's just a matter of preference, for the most part, when being moved by a singer, subjective.

I think the difference is Steve Perry put his soul into these songs He helped write them all. Arnel is just the singer of these songs now, he has no emotional connection with them. When he starts helping the band write new material then maybe he will sound more soulful/passionate.