Victory Parade for the Giants

[Saint John]

This is very interesting in that Steve recently commented in an interview that he didn't realize until he was remastering the Houston show that Neal sounded like a train on train tracks. He also said he didn't know if Neal realized he was doing it but that's what it sounded like.

Aside from that, it certainly doesn't sound like it was Cain's invention just because he came up with "Don't Stop Believin". The guy's a little zealous I would say. Must come from the huge muscle between his ears.

First, if the Nostrildamus comment is true, he's either suffering from the early stages of dementia or just plain forgot. Fuck, everyone knows that he's imitating a train!

Second, neither Cain nor I said he "invented" anything. As I said before, he had a concept for a song (DSB) that he, Steve and Neal expanded on, and turned into a masterpiece. But, I would say that Cain is, arguably, the one that brought the most creative influence.

[journeyrock]

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This is very interesting in that Steve recently commented in an interview that he didn't realize until he was remastering the Houston show that Neal sounded like a train on train tracks. He also said he didn't know if Neal realized he was doing it but that's what it sounded like.

Aside from that, it certainly doesn't sound like it was Cain's invention just because he came up with "Don't Stop Believin". The guy's a little zealous I would say. Must come from the huge muscle between his ears.

First, if the Nostrildamus comment is true, he's either suffering from the early stages of dementia or just plain forgot. Fuck, everyone knows that he's imitating a train!

Second, neither Cain nor I said he "invented" anything. As I said before, he had a concept for a song (DSB) that he, Steve and Neal expanded on, and turned into a masterpiece. But, I would say that Cain is, arguably, the one that brought the most creative influence.[/quote]



Because he came up with the words "Don't Stop Believin", that gives him the most creative influence? I must be missing something. Cain said that Steve told him to do the piano riff at the beginning and that Steve told Neal to sound like a train. I'd call THAT creative influence more than three words.

And yes, Steve DID say that. I think it's the interview with the Canadian guy a few months back where he gets choked up talking about his Mom.

[Saint John]

Because he came up with the words "Don't Stop Believin", that gives him the most creative influence? I must be missing something. Cain said that Steve told him to do the piano riff at the beginning and that Steve told Neal to sound like a train. I'd call THAT creative influence more than three words.

And yes, Steve DID say that. I think it's the interview with the Canadian guy a few months back where he gets choked up talking about his Mom.

Jon had the idea, the chorus (Don't stop believin' hold on to that feeling"), "streetlight people," and the keys to that song are the most copied in history. The keys progression that Jonathan came up with have been used more than any other. I'd say that trumps everything. Regardless, as always, it took the contributions of all of them to make the song the incredible finished product that it became.

And I'll give Nostrildamus a "mulligan" on his obvious gaffe. I'm sure talking about his mother was extremely emotional.

[journeyrock]

Because he came up with the words "Don't Stop Believin", that gives him the most creative influence? I must be missing something. Cain said that Steve told him to do the piano riff at the beginning and that Steve told Neal to sound like a train. I'd call THAT creative influence more than three words.

And yes, Steve DID say that. I think it's the interview with the Canadian guy a few months back where he gets choked up talking about his Mom.

Jon had the idea, the chorus (Don't stop believin' hold on to that feeling"), "streetlight people," and the keys to that song are the most copied in history. The keys progression that Jonathan came up with have been used more than any other. I'd say that trumps everything. Regardless, as always, it took the contributions of all of them to make the song the incredible finished product that it became.

And I'll give Nostrildamus a "mulligan" on his obvious gaffe. I'm sure talking about his mother was extremely emotional.

I'll be damned, you DO have a good side. SHHHHH, I won't tell anyone. It's our secret.

Okay, I'll concede on this one, you have a good point. And like the one who shall not be named has said, everyone in that band was talented in their own right. That's what made them so magical.

[Saint John]

And like the one who shall not be named has said, everyone in that band was talented in their own right. That's what made them so magical.

I think the creative tension always brought out the best in everyone. Kind of that "I'll show that motherfucker with this chord/note/melody" thing going on. While all this was going on I can see Ross and Smitty sitting there saying "Can you believe these 3 assholes still can't get along!"

[journeyrock]

And like the one who shall not be named has said, everyone in that band was talented in their own right. That's what made them so magical.

I think the creative tension always brought out the best in everyone. Kind of that "I'll show that motherfucker with this chord/note/melody" thing going on. While all this was going on I can see Ross and Smitty sitting there saying "Can you believe these 3 assholes still can't get along!"

And what's changed in 30 years?

[Don]

And that is why, with the exception of Faithfully and The Party's Over, the creativity generated by these three guys when they have to write by themselves is simply not up to standard.

[journeyrock]

And that is why, with the exception of Faithfully and The Party's Over, the creativity generated by these three guys when they have to write by themselves is simply not up to standard.

The trouble is they set the standard too high! It's a crying shame their egos can't allow them to put aside their differences. Hell, these guys are in or close to their 60's. I guess some guys NEVER grow up.

[Saint John]

And that is why, with the exception of Faithfully and The Party's Over, the creativity generated by these three guys when they have to write by themselves is simply not up to standard.

The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) is one fucking epic song. Perry's greatest writing contribution to Journey. That song also contains my favorite Schon solo (the 1981 Japan extended solo). I wonder why he didn't play that on the FTLOSM tour? Probably too hard on the vox, but, man, would I have loved to have heard it.

[perryfaithful]

[quote="journeyrock"]The trouble is they set the standard too high! It's a crying shame their egos can't allow them to put aside their differences. Hell, these guys are in or close to their 60's. I guess some guys NEVER grow up. [/quote

egos.....crying shame.....put the damn differences aside...

with you 100%

[Saint John]

The trouble is they set the standard too high! It's a crying shame their egos can't allow them to put aside their differences. Hell, these guys are in or close to their 60's. I guess some guys NEVER grow up. [/quote

egos.....crying shame.....put the damn differences aside...

with you 100%

They're all ready to roll, save for one.

[RedWingFan]

Jon had the idea, the chorus (Don't stop believin' hold on to that feeling"), "streetlight people," and the keys to that song are the most copied in history. The keys progression that Jonathan came up with have been used more than any other. I'd say that trumps everything. Regardless, as always, it took the contributions of all of them to make the song the incredible finished product that it became.

Too bad Jon didn't sing lead on this so that it could become a timeless masterpiece like his version of "Faithfully".

The song isn't shit without Perry, just like the rest of the dirty dozen!

[whirlwind]

Jon had the idea, the chorus (Don't stop believin' hold on to that feeling"), "streetlight people," and the keys to that song are the most copied in history. The keys progression that Jonathan came up with have been used more than any other. I'd say that trumps everything. Regardless, as always, it took the contributions of all of them to make the song the incredible finished product that it became.

Too bad Jon didn't sing lead on this so that it could become a timeless masterpiece like his version of "Faithfully".

The song isn't shit without Perry, just like the rest of the dirty dozen!

My thinking exactly! This makes us Perryheads. I guess that most everyone else thinks this way also since Steve is the person that is picked to represent any Journey concept.

[annie89509]

Wow the ceremonies are starting with DSB!!!

Great to see Jonathan Cain's concept get so much love these past few years.


"Don't Stop Believin'" – I brought in the title and the end piece and certainly the lyrics. -Jonathan Cain

Steve Smith must be stewing too, since he put together such an interesting drum piece for it.

lol
But...but it's SP's voice that made this song....special!!!!