Steve was gettting it back at the end of the FTLOSM tour..

[Kor'n]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLRJW1DOT2I&feature=BFa&list=PLC52BFACF5B432363&lf=results_video&index=11



3:13 to 3:20 is all that needs to be heard.

That embodies the magic that is SP and why he's regarded as the greatest rock/pop/ballad singer of all time.

By a relatively small segment of the population. Journey and its members have always been criminally underrated and Perry is no exception.

Compared to whom? Of the entire WORLD'S population? Maybe. But of music fans over the age of 20, underated my ass.....

Perry is not "underated".

Ask around and see what "The Voice" means to music fans.

"The Voice" is John Farnham.

Did that "Voice" make the Top 100 Singers List?

Doen't matter. Ask any music fan in Australia who "The Voice" is and and none of them would say Perry, and all of them would say John Farnham...That's just the way it is. If

This entire "The Voice" thing did not come about until the mid-90's when boots showed up with Bon Jovi calling referring to Perry that way. Perry fans grabbed onto that, exaggerated it, and made into something it never was while he sang in Journey. He was never known as "The Voice' prior to 1995 or so.

Sorry, but your person is the #2 Voice

100 Greatest Live Rock Vocalists
UPDATED: 6/23/10

This list is based on the following criteria:

- Ability to stay on-pitch.
- The difficulty of the material that is attempted.
- How long their careers have/had produced impressive Live material.
- Ability to improvise.
- According to all of the Vocal criteria, how big the disparity is between Studio Recordings and Live performances.
- Reputation / acclaim as a Live vocalist.


1. Steve Perry
2. John Farnham
3. Jackie Wilson
4. Ronnie James Dio
5. Roger Daltrey
6. Aretha Franklin
7. Ian Gillan
8. Elvis Presley
9. Freddie Mercury
10. Jeff Buckley
11. Etta James
12. Tim Buckley
13. Adam Lambert
14. Stevie Wonder
15. Rob Halford
16. Ann Wilson
17. Robert Plant
18. Eddie Vedder
19. Bruce Dickinson
20. Chris Cornell

[Gideon]

Sorry, but your "evidence" is in no way authoritative.
DigitalDreamDoor's lists change routinely, consensus is not required, and refers to technical ability live. This is not what's being discussed in the thread and in no way, shape, or form indicates what is being discussed: Whether or not Perry is regarded as the greatest rock singer of all time.

[perryswoman]

The guy's voice is gone. His hoarse laugh is telling. Nothing was coming back. It was just so bad at the beginning that raising the bar to mediocrity seemed huge. If he COULD sing with Journey he would. But he can't.

Why WOULD he? Some relationships are just fractured beyond repair.

To use his analogy, imagine having kids, and having them taken away from you, only to be raised by someone else. It kills him ... every day.

I just listened to that Euro interview he did about a year ago, and his laugh is so hoarse and hollow. Perhaps SOME of that is from lack of use, but the majority of it is from irreparable damage.

I think you can have a vacation until you get treatment for your issues.

I'm sure he doesn't sound like he once did and WHO cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just want to see him on stage with Neal and Jon one last time and I can close my book! I will continue to hold out till that day and yes I do think it will come. Maybe for only a night or two but that's fine.!!!!

[Kor'n]

Sorry, but your "evidence" is in no way authoritative.
DigitalDreamDoor's lists change routinely, consensus is not required, and refers to technical ability live. This is not what's being discussed in the thread and in no way, shape, or form indicates what is being discussed: Whether or not Perry is regarded as the greatest rock singer of all time.

Sorry, in no way is your post the "Law of the Land."

[Gideon]

Sorry, but your "evidence" is in no way authoritative.
DigitalDreamDoor's lists change routinely, consensus is not required, and refers to technical ability live. This is not what's being discussed in the thread and in no way, shape, or form indicates what is being discussed: Whether or not Perry is regarded as the greatest rock singer of all time.

Sorry, in no way is your post the "Law of the Land."

I'd like to say that if you spent as much time formulating your pro-Perry arguments as you to crafting your obvious deflections that you'd be a lot more successful, but the truth is that you pretty much suck at both.

The bottom line is that both of your responses to Monker were the very embodiment of stupidity. First, citing a top 100 list as though it's authoritative undermines your position: Bob Dylan ranked higher on Rolling Stone's list than Perry, ergo I guess he's the better "Voice" than either Farnham or Perry. Second, you turn around and cite a list of dubious credibility and consistency to try to prove your point that Perry is somehow better than Farnham {which Monker didn't claim, he was just referencing the nickname} misses the point entirely in addition to being outright hilarious. What's next, anecdotes? Your grandmother said Steve Perry was the Voice, end of discussion?

[Monker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLRJW1DOT2I&feature=BFa&list=PLC52BFACF5B432363&lf=results_video&index=11



3:13 to 3:20 is all that needs to be heard.

That embodies the magic that is SP and why he's regarded as the greatest rock/pop/ballad singer of all time.

By a relatively small segment of the population. Journey and its members have always been criminally underrated and Perry is no exception.

Compared to whom? Of the entire WORLD'S population? Maybe. But of music fans over the age of 20, underated my ass.....

Perry is not "underated".

Ask around and see what "The Voice" means to music fans.

"The Voice" is John Farnham.

Did that "Voice" make the Top 100 Singers List?

Doen't matter. Ask any music fan in Australia who "The Voice" is and and none of them would say Perry, and all of them would say John Farnham...That's just the way it is. If

This entire "The Voice" thing did not come about until the mid-90's when boots showed up with Bon Jovi calling referring to Perry that way. Perry fans grabbed onto that, exaggerated it, and made into something it never was while he sang in Journey. He was never known as "The Voice' prior to 1995 or so.

Sorry, but your person is the #2 Voice

100 Greatest Live Rock Vocalists
UPDATED: 6/23/10

This list is based on the following criteria:

- Ability to stay on-pitch.
- The difficulty of the material that is attempted.
- How long their careers have/had produced impressive Live material.
- Ability to improvise.
- According to all of the Vocal criteria, how big the disparity is between Studio Recordings and Live performances.
- Reputation / acclaim as a Live vocalist.

Sorry, but it's also based of preference and bias. I would put Farnham against Perry on any of those criteria....and some f them he blows Perry away...For example, longevity, Farnahm started singing professionally in the early 60's...and still performs to huge crowds even today. And, the guy has hardly lost anything. I could pull up a song from the early 80's and the same song from the late 90's and you would hardly hear a difference. Do it with "Please Don't Ask Me" and then Perry doing "Open Arms" from Escape and FTLOSM. Perry's voice had OBVIOUS changes, Farnham's doesn't. Perry has put the mic down for years. Farnham tried to, and couldn't resist coming back and touring. That is the difference to me, and why I will always think Farnham has the better voice.

If Perry wants to break in Australia, he should open for Farnham...that would be interesting to see...and impossible.

[Andrew]

Farnham is still a freak. Saw him last year and he holds his mike a foot from his mouth when going for the big notes. So freekign loud and strong. Amazing...

[DracIsBack]

The guy's voice is gone. .

That's a little all or nothing don't you think? In the grand scheme of things, he's probably still a wayy above average singer.

Certainly better than you, I'm sure! Definitely better than me!

[Monker]

The guy's voice is gone. .

That's a little all or nothing don't you think? In the grand scheme of things, he's probably still a wayy above average singer.

Certainly better than you, I'm sure! Definitely better than me!

I think Perry would sound great releasing an album...where he could take the time to get it right. And, I do hope he does a release where goes more R&B instead of A/C. For Beatles, I'd like to hear him do the slower version of "Help" (ie: Tina Turner and John Farnham both did this...and Arnel covers it this way). Even with a lower voice, he could make this songs sound awesome.

But, touring, I just don't think his voice could hold out for it...even a few songs. Look at Augeri at the end of his last Journey tour...I think that's where Perry would be after just a few songs in on his first concert. If that is the way it would be, and he should know if it is, then I'd rather he not even try. And, touring, he would have have to cover Journey, and he should just try to break away from them if he wants to be solo anyway.

He could entertain his audience for years if he recorded and released some albums...he doesn't need to tour.

[Jeremey]

LOL, people still argue about Perry's voice these days. Haha, the guy can write new songs for his voice and sing the hell out of them. If you want to hear "Don't Stop Believin'" as recorded in 1981 then go put on Escape. He's Steve Fuckin Perry. He didn't "forget" how to use his voice, no matter the changes he's been through. He's got a golden instrument that I'm sure he's still very capable of working with. He's smart at his age not to go out and have to sing "Don't Stop Believin'" again every night. Not even mentioning the emotional stress of reliving what those days were like all over again at the age of sixty whatever.

[Aaron]

There is no doubt, Perry was the best ever in his prime. +1

Farnham is indeed The Voice here in Oz. and Glenn Hughes is the voice of rock.

But Perry still had the best voice ever in his prime.

[Kor'n]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLRJW1DOT2I&feature=BFa&list=PLC52BFACF5B432363&lf=results_video&index=11



3:13 to 3:20 is all that needs to be heard.

That embodies the magic that is SP and why he's regarded as the greatest rock/pop/ballad singer of all time.

By a relatively small segment of the population. Journey and its members have always been criminally underrated and Perry is no exception.

Compared to whom? Of the entire WORLD'S population? Maybe. But of music fans over the age of 20, underated my ass.....

Perry is not "underated".

Ask around and see what "The Voice" means to music fans.

"The Voice" is John Farnham.

Did that "Voice" make the Top 100 Singers List?

Doen't matter. Ask any music fan in Australia who "The Voice" is and and none of them would say Perry, and all of them would say John Farnham...That's just the way it is. If

This entire "The Voice" thing did not come about until the mid-90's when boots showed up with Bon Jovi calling referring to Perry that way. Perry fans grabbed onto that, exaggerated it, and made into something it never was while he sang in Journey. He was never known as "The Voice' prior to 1995 or so.

Sorry, but your person is the #2 Voice

100 Greatest Live Rock Vocalists
UPDATED: 6/23/10

This list is based on the following criteria:

- Ability to stay on-pitch.
- The difficulty of the material that is attempted.
- How long their careers have/had produced impressive Live material.
- Ability to improvise.
- According to all of the Vocal criteria, how big the disparity is between Studio Recordings and Live performances.
- Reputation / acclaim as a Live vocalist.

Sorry, but it's also based of preference and bias. I would put Farnham against Perry on any of those criteria....and some f them he blows Perry away...For example, longevity, Farnahm started singing professionally in the early 60's...and still performs to huge crowds even today. And, the guy has hardly lost anything. I could pull up a song from the early 80's and the same song from the late 90's and you would hardly hear a difference. Do it with "Please Don't Ask Me" and then Perry doing "Open Arms" from Escape and FTLOSM. Perry's voice had OBVIOUS changes, Farnham's doesn't. Perry has put the mic down for years. Farnham tried to, and couldn't resist coming back and touring. That is the difference to me, and why I will always think Farnham has the better voice.

If Perry wants to break in Australia, he should open for Farnham...that would be interesting to see...and impossible.

Name the smallest continent.

[Kor'n]

Sorry, but your "evidence" is in no way authoritative.
DigitalDreamDoor's lists change routinely, consensus is not required, and refers to technical ability live. This is not what's being discussed in the thread and in no way, shape, or form indicates what is being discussed: Whether or not Perry is regarded as the greatest rock singer of all time.

Sorry, in no way is your post the "Law of the Land."

I'd like to say that if you spent as much time formulating your pro-Perry arguments as you to crafting your obvious deflections that you'd be a lot more successful, but the truth is that you pretty much suck at both. .

“I’d like to say that if you spent as much time formulating common sense as you to (should that be do?) crafting your obvious” ignoramus sayings upon others, “that you’d be a lot more successful” in trying to be a plausible intellectual (although doubtful), and I would not have to giggle so at your ridiculous self-serving, chastising, pathetic sayings, echoed as though you are the “Law of the Land.” But “the [absolute] truth is that you [completely] suck” PERIOD! Wow! Did I capture all?????

The bottom line is that both of your responses to Monker were the very embodiment of stupidity.

“The bottom line is that [ALL] of your responses” ARE “the very embodiment of [utter] stupidity” and let’s not forget arrogance.

First, citing a top 100 list as though it's authoritative undermines your position: Bob Dylan ranked higher on Rolling Stone's list than Perry, ergo I guess he's the better "Voice" than either Farnham or Perry.

“First” responding to a cited “top 100 list” that you know is not “authoritative,” but came from a website where the guys just post their thoughts, as is often done ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE in cyberspace, “undermines your” sanity as you respond in such an emboldened manner.

Second, you turn around and cite a list of dubious credibility and consistency to try to prove your point that Perry is somehow better than Farnham {which Monker didn't claim, he was just referencing the nickname} misses the point entirely in addition to being outright hilarious. What's next, anecdotes? Your grandmother said Steve Perry was the Voice, end of discussion?

“Second, you turn around [re] cite a list that you [supposedly know is of] dubious credibility and consistency to try to [un] prove” my point (FACT), that the guys at that website list Steve Perry as numero uno when it comes to live singing. Too bad Monker cannot speak for himself, for that would allow you more time to clear the “air of arrogance.”

“What’s next, anecdotes?” My “grandmother” [3x + 1 removed] said Steve Perry [IS] the Voice, end of discussion?”

Sorry, no time or energy left for a smiley face….

[Monker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLRJW1DOT2I&feature=BFa&list=PLC52BFACF5B432363&lf=results_video&index=11



3:13 to 3:20 is all that needs to be heard.

That embodies the magic that is SP and why he's regarded as the greatest rock/pop/ballad singer of all time.

By a relatively small segment of the population. Journey and its members have always been criminally underrated and Perry is no exception.

Compared to whom? Of the entire WORLD'S population? Maybe. But of music fans over the age of 20, underated my ass.....

Perry is not "underated".

Ask around and see what "The Voice" means to music fans.

"The Voice" is John Farnham.

Did that "Voice" make the Top 100 Singers List?

Doen't matter. Ask any music fan in Australia who "The Voice" is and and none of them would say Perry, and all of them would say John Farnham...That's just the way it is. If

This entire "The Voice" thing did not come about until the mid-90's when boots showed up with Bon Jovi calling referring to Perry that way. Perry fans grabbed onto that, exaggerated it, and made into something it never was while he sang in Journey. He was never known as "The Voice' prior to 1995 or so.

Sorry, but your person is the #2 Voice

100 Greatest Live Rock Vocalists
UPDATED: 6/23/10

This list is based on the following criteria:

- Ability to stay on-pitch.
- The difficulty of the material that is attempted.
- How long their careers have/had produced impressive Live material.
- Ability to improvise.
- According to all of the Vocal criteria, how big the disparity is between Studio Recordings and Live performances.
- Reputation / acclaim as a Live vocalist.

Sorry, but it's also based of preference and bias. I would put Farnham against Perry on any of those criteria....and some f them he blows Perry away...For example, longevity, Farnahm started singing professionally in the early 60's...and still performs to huge crowds even today. And, the guy has hardly lost anything. I could pull up a song from the early 80's and the same song from the late 90's and you would hardly hear a difference. Do it with "Please Don't Ask Me" and then Perry doing "Open Arms" from Escape and FTLOSM. Perry's voice had OBVIOUS changes, Farnham's doesn't. Perry has put the mic down for years. Farnham tried to, and couldn't resist coming back and touring. That is the difference to me, and why I will always think Farnham has the better voice.

If Perry wants to break in Australia, he should open for Farnham...that would be interesting to see...and impossible.

Name the smallest continent.

Ok! Ummm, I'll name it George so you can take him home and love it, and cuddle it, and it will be yours forever and ever!

[Gideon]

Sorry, no time or energy left for a smiley face….

Given that you've had days to prepare your response and the vast majority of it was blindly ripped from my posts, I find this very hard to believe. But what is easy to believe is that your creativity is as limited as your intellect, which would explain the army of quotation marks and the lack of valid points.

“First” responding to a cited “top 100 list” that you know is not “authoritative,” but came from a website where the guys just post their thoughts, as is often done ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE in cyberspace, “undermines your” sanity as you respond in such an emboldened manner.

First, you twice tried to pass off a list from website ran by individuals whose credibility is unattested as something that is authoritative in this discussion, which doesn't work.

Second, coming from someone who jumped boldly out of the proverbial gate at Saint John and then me {for simply noting you share similarities with another user}, you have no room to talk about an emboldened manner. You want civility, show some of it. Until then you'll be treated by me exactly as you treat anyone else who disagrees with you. Better strap in, because I show little mercy towards Loons {particularly the aggressive ones}. If you want it to change, then perhaps your next post will be more polite?

The bottom line is that while Steve Perry may be "the Voice" {and he certainly is insofar as that it is a recognized moniker and reference to him}, that list does nothing to prove anything other than the fact at least one guy on the internet thinks Perry is the best live singer in rock history and that is neither what was asserted or discussed.

[Jeremey]

Ok! Ummm, I'll name it George so you can take him home and love it, and cuddle it, and it will be yours forever and ever!

Excellent post, Monker.

[Gideon]

Ok! Ummm, I'll name it George so you can take him home and love it, and cuddle it, and it will be yours forever and ever!

Excellent post, Monker.

Didn't see that post til just now. Funny stuff, Monker.

[Don]

Watching Farnham sing with LRB, the guy was simply amazing. He showed no fear as a vocalist or a frontman.

[Gideon]

I'm not going to lie, even though Kor'n's made a glaring fallacy or two, I'm inclined to side with it. Farnham's got the edge in longevity, but I prefer Perry's voice by a country mile.

[Monker]

Too bad Monker cannot speak for himself, for that would allow you more time to clear the “air of arrogance.”

“What’s next, anecdotes?” My “grandmother” [3x + 1 removed] said Steve Perry [IS] the Voice, end of discussion?”

Sorry, no time or energy left for a smiley face….

I can speak for myself, in a post you conveniently ignored. The fact is you said to ask anyone who "The Voice" is. Well, I gave you an entire part of the world who would answer "John Farnham" and NOT Steve Perry. THAT is a fact - not my opinion...A fact that Andrew even backed up. I even gave you the history of this entire "The Voice" thing came about...again you ignore that and instead choose to believe in some kinda fiction.

And, I just love this news bit, "The Voice Returns". Ooops, it's not Steve Perry, sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuYyALAIybQ

[Gideon]

Too bad Monker cannot speak for himself, for that would allow you more time to clear the “air of arrogance.”

“What’s next, anecdotes?” My “grandmother” [3x + 1 removed] said Steve Perry [IS] the Voice, end of discussion?”

Sorry, no time or energy left for a smiley face….

I can speak for myself, in a post you conveniently ignored. The fact is you said to ask anyone who "The Voice" is. Well, I gave you an entire part of the world who would answer "John Farnham" and NOT Steve Perry. THAT is a fact - not my opinion...A fact that Andrew even backed up. I even gave you the history of this entire "The Voice" thing came about...again you ignore that and instead choose to believe in some kinda fiction.

And, I just love this news bit, "The Voice Returns". Ooops, it's not Steve Perry, sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuYyALAIybQ

Kor'n's list didn't even address the moniker, either. You win this round for citing a credible source.

[Don]

I'm not going to lie, even though Kor'n's made a glaring fallacy or two, I'm inclined to side with it. Farnham's got the edge in longevity, but I prefer Perry's voice by a country mile.

I have to put Perry below Farnham AND George Michael. Saw the latter in the late 80s in Japan and he was simply amazing. The dude even covered some Chaka Khan. George could sing the phonebook back then and it would sound great.

[Gideon]

I'm not going to lie, even though Kor'n's made a glaring fallacy or two, I'm inclined to side with it. Farnham's got the edge in longevity, but I prefer Perry's voice by a country mile.

I have to put Perry below Farnham AND George Michael. Saw the latter in the late 80s in Japan and he was simply amazing. The dude even covered some Chaka Khan. George could sing the phonebook back then and it would sound great.

The best I ever heard George was at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert; I'm not sure why he didn't tour with Queen instead of Paul. Maybe they were afraid he would imitate Freddie too closely, given their many similarities?

Still, I can't put George ahead of Steve, but then I'm not as familiar with his catalog.

[Don]

I'm not going to lie, even though Kor'n's made a glaring fallacy or two, I'm inclined to side with it. Farnham's got the edge in longevity, but I prefer Perry's voice by a country mile.

I have to put Perry below Farnham AND George Michael. Saw the latter in the late 80s in Japan and he was simply amazing. The dude even covered some Chaka Khan. George could sing the phonebook back then and it would sound great.

The best I ever heard George was at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert; I'm not sure why he didn't tour with Queen instead of Paul. Maybe they were afraid he would imitate Freddie too closely, given their many similarities?

Still, I can't put George ahead of Steve, but then I'm not as familiar with his catalog.

I think George was just too big a star to have fronting them. The guy sells out stadiums on his own, Queen might have been seen as just a support act to their own catalog if they toured together.

[Jeremey]

George Michael is the single greatest male pop singer alive right now. Period. He's outlasted all of them. All of the melodic rockers out there can barf in my lunchbox, but strictly speaking, the man has no equal. He's selling out stadiums across Europe as we speak with his covers & orchestra tour. I don't know how he does it. The man smoked 20 j's a day and he can still slay.

[Gideon]

Interesting, I'll have to look more into his work.

[scarygirl]

George Michael is the single greatest male pop singer alive right now. Period. He's outlasted all of them. All of the melodic rockers out there can barf in my lunchbox, but strictly speaking, the man has no equal. He's selling out stadiums across Europe as we speak with his covers & orchestra tour. I don't know how he does it. The man smoked 20 j's a day and he can still slay.

He really does have a beautiful voice.

[artist4perry]

The guy's voice is gone. His hoarse laugh is telling. Nothing was coming back. It was just so bad at the beginning that raising the bar to mediocrity seemed huge. If he COULD sing with Journey he would. But he can't.

Enough already. Shit a brick SJ. ENOUGH!

Funny thing is, Steve had a hoarse like laugh in his hay day. He has always laughed like that. Something I find quite endearing by the way.

[artist4perry]

George Michael is the single greatest male pop singer alive right now. Period. He's outlasted all of them. All of the melodic rockers out there can barf in my lunchbox, but strictly speaking, the man has no equal. He's selling out stadiums across Europe as we speak with his covers & orchestra tour. I don't know how he does it. The man smoked 20 j's a day and he can still slay.

Yeah, I am sure, but he leaves me cold. But with legendary songs like this who could resist.

http://youtu.be/pIgZ7gMze7A

[Ftloperry]

George Michael is the single greatest male pop singer alive right now. Period. He's outlasted all of them. All of the melodic rockers out there can barf in my lunchbox, but strictly speaking, the man has no equal. He's selling out stadiums across Europe as we speak with his covers & orchestra tour. I don't know how he does it. The man smoked 20 j's a day and he can still slay.

I totally agree. His rendition of "The Long and Winding Road" is flawless perfection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzRQjRiGc1Q&feature=related