When You Love A Woman

[Deb]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

[Michigan Girl]

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

You had to post it...I had to click on it!!!
You, my dear, are absolutely SPOT ON!!!

[Deb]

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

You had to post it...I had to click on it!!!
You, my dear, are abolutely SPOT ON!!!

This soul brothah has got some pretty fine delivery too........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gn8TzSoF1M

PS: Donna, didn't you have a nice clear video of this song from Leesburg up on youtube at one time? Where did it go?

[Lora]

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

My all-time favorite Journey video from my all-time favorite Journey album. Thanks for the reminder, Debster.

[Michigan Girl]

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

You had to post it...I had to click on it!!!
You, my dear, are abolutely SPOT ON!!!

This soul brothah has got some pretty fine delivery too........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gn8TzSoF1M

PS: Donna, didn't you have a nice clear video of this song from Leesburg up on youtube at one time? Where did it go?

Deb~I have never, ever heard him sing this...beautiful!!! and way too short!!!

[Lula]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

wow, just wow! that never gets old, that is pure gold. thanks deb

[Deb]

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

My all-time favorite Journey video from my all-time favorite Journey album. Thanks for the reminder, Debster.

Any time, dollface. Wayne Isham did a stellar job on that video. Probably one of the classiest music videos I've ever seen, all of them look and sound great and top it off with Perry's emotion-filled vocals.......ahhh perfection!

[Deb]

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

You had to post it...I had to click on it!!!
You, my dear, are abolutely SPOT ON!!!

This soul brothah has got some pretty fine delivery too........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gn8TzSoF1M

PS: Donna, didn't you have a nice clear video of this song from Leesburg up on youtube at one time? Where did it go?

Deb~I have never, ever heard him sing this...beautiful!!! and way too short!!!

I know, eh?! There is a reason why him and EM are right under Perry as my all-time fave vocalists.............it's all about the soulful delivery! Ya either gots it or ya don't!

[Escape81]

The video with Jeff was very poor quality..... are there better ones out there??

[donnaplease]

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

You had to post it...I had to click on it!!!
You, my dear, are abolutely SPOT ON!!!

This soul brothah has got some pretty fine delivery too........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gn8TzSoF1M

PS: Donna, didn't you have a nice clear video of this song from Leesburg up on youtube at one time? Where did it go?

Debbie, I looked in my YT and photobucket accounts and didn't see it. Travis video'd the show, so I know I have it somewhere. I'll see what I can find. Sorry...

[donnaplease]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Yo, Daniel...

I think I can speak for many of my fellow loons when I smile at you and happily say: STFU!

Seriously, though, I would think that would be one of the easier songs from the Journey catalog for SP to sing, if he is having the problems that some suggest he is having. My personal opinion... he's gonna blow us all away here in a few months. Can't wait to rub it in...

[tammy]

Love the song and the video for it. Wayne Isham did a stellar job on the video! He directed some of my all-time favorite videos from the 80s and 90s. Especially the live footage vids.

http://www.mvdbase.com/tech.php?last=Isham&first=Wayne

Wow, he has done a lot. When I first saw the "When you love a woman" I was crying like a baby...if you can imagine having loved someone (SP, in this case) and not seeing or hearing him for 25 yrs and then seeing and hearing them again...well, that is what it was for me. It actually hurt in my heart...but, it was so beautiful, too *heavy sigh*. (Most excellent job, Mr. Wayne Isham.)

You sound like a mental case.

I am.

[SherriBerry]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Since Herbie is on record saying that SP came in to the TBF sessions and impressed the band the first day singing the old songs, I would say your source on that one is full of it. He could not have pulled that off yet needed 184 separate takes to string a recording of this song together. Not to mention that if his voice were really that deteriorated, no amount of training and vocal therapy would have gotten it strong enough to tour even if the songs were sped up fast enough to sound like chipmunks and the band would have known it. There is a huge difference between being out of practice (Bill Graham Tribute) and completely gone in the condition you describe. Sorry, another shot bites the dust.

[escapefan]

Don't care how many vocal takes it took..........nobody but nobody delivers a song quite like him! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0zGpl7Ckhg

My all-time favorite Journey video from my all-time favorite Journey album. Thanks for the reminder, Debster.

Absolute classy video. Best Journey video ever IMO.

[Escape81]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Since Herbie is on record saying that SP came in to the TBF sessions and impressed the band the first day singing the old songs, I would say your source on that one is full of it. He could not have pulled that off yet needed 184 separate takes to string a recording of this song together. Not to mention that if his voice were really that deteriorated, no amount of training and vocal therapy would have gotten it strong enough to tour even if the songs were sped up fast enough to sound like chipmunks and the band would have known it. There is a huge difference between being out of practice (Bill Graham Tribute) and completely gone in the condition you describe. Sorry, another shot bites the dust.

Put that into context please..... was Herbie there? How were they impressed? Impressed = sing exactly like he used to or impressed = he could carry a tune? These guys were also impressed with Steve A.... sorry, but this is way too vague. I love TBF, but anyone with a set of functioning ears can hear that the man's power and range was nothing compared to what he used to have...... he ducks notes and doesn't do any of the vocal acrobats he did on previous songs....

But that's okay! he sounded pleasant enough to carry those great songs on TBF.

[SherriBerry]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Since Herbie is on record saying that SP came in to the TBF sessions and impressed the band the first day singing the old songs, I would say your source on that one is full of it. He could not have pulled that off yet needed 184 separate takes to string a recording of this song together. Not to mention that if his voice were really that deteriorated, no amount of training and vocal therapy would have gotten it strong enough to tour even if the songs were sped up fast enough to sound like chipmunks and the band would have known it. There is a huge difference between being out of practice (Bill Graham Tribute) and completely gone in the condition you describe. Sorry, another shot bites the dust.

Put that into context please..... was Herbie there? How were they impressed? Impressed = sing exactly like he used to or impressed = he could carry a tune? These guys were also impressed with Steve A.... sorry, but this is way too vague. I love TBF, but anyone with a set of functioning ears can hear that the man's power and range was nothing compared to what he used to have...... he ducks notes and doesn't do any of the vocal acrobats he did on previous songs....

But that's okay! he sounded pleasant enough to carry those great songs on TBF.

I'm assuming you know who Herbie is and why he would know exactly what happened in the studio whether he was there or not - particularly from Neal. As for what he meant by impressed, it is at least evident that if SP sounded any level of good on the much more challenging classics, he couldn't have had such deteriorated vocals that he couldn't croak out a decent version of 'When You Love a Woman' and needed 184 takes of phrase groupings. In this context it isn't relevant whether he could sound like it was 1983 or 1987 - it matters that he was still good enough that the band was impressed with it. Unless SJ can quote a source that is on record and reliable, I'm not buying his story!

We all know and accept that SP's voice during TBF had lost much of its power and higher range, but he could still work a song like no one else!

[Escape81]

I do know who Herbie is.... but you're passing his word as though it's the gospel.... and it could very well be accurate, but being "impressed" is vague. I question it because I hear quite plainly that Steve P.'s voice is very withered and raspy. His higher range is practically nonexistent and his power seems cut down by half.... So again I ask: "what is impressed?" I don't think Saint John is completely accurate with 100+ takes, which is why I didnt agree with it, but TBF wasnt exactly a masterpiece showcase for Steve's vocals.

As far as Neal goes, he's always been supportive of EVERY singer Journey has had.... Steve P., Steve A., Jeff Soto, and Arnel.... all have been called the "real deal" and he's praised them all, even when their performances were questionable....

I just can't get over what I hear. And what I hear is a very PLEASANT, stellar voice... but also a limited one. Id go so far to say that ALL of Journey's post-TBF albums yielded better vocal performances by far in terms of raw ability.

[Jana]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Since Herbie is on record saying that SP came in to the TBF sessions and impressed the band the first day singing the old songs, I would say your source on that one is full of it. He could not have pulled that off yet needed 184 separate takes to string a recording of this song together. Not to mention that if his voice were really that deteriorated, no amount of training and vocal therapy would have gotten it strong enough to tour even if the songs were sped up fast enough to sound like chipmunks and the band would have known it. There is a huge difference between being out of practice (Bill Graham Tribute) and completely gone in the condition you describe. Sorry, another shot bites the dust.

Put that into context please..... was Herbie there? How were they impressed? Impressed = sing exactly like he used to or impressed = he could carry a tune? These guys were also impressed with Steve A.... sorry, but this is way too vague. I love TBF, but anyone with a set of functioning ears can hear that the man's power and range was nothing compared to what he used to have...... he ducks notes and doesn't do any of the vocal acrobats he did on previous songs....

But that's okay! he sounded pleasant enough to carry those great songs on TBF.

I'm assuming you know who Herbie is and why he would know exactly what happened in the studio whether he was there or not - particularly from Neal. As for what he meant by impressed, it is at least evident that if SP sounded any level of good on the much more challenging classics, he couldn't have had such deteriorated vocals that he couldn't croak out a decent version of 'When You Love a Woman' and needed 184 takes of phrase groupings. In this context it isn't relevant whether he could sound like it was 1983 or 1987 - it matters that he was still good enough that the band was impressed with it. Unless SJ can quote a source that is on record and reliable, I'm not buying his story!

We all know and accept that SP's voice during TBF had lost much of its power and higher range, but he could still work a song like no one else!

True statement. Unlike many on here TBF just isn't a CD I listen to much b/c of the slowness of the second half (which is really nice on a rainy day, though), but really more so b/c of Perry's high vocals. There is a hollowness to them on many songs and the sound grates on my ears and I don't know why. I've tried and tried to listen but it bothers me. I wish it didn't. But there's many songs that work and sound great like WYLAW and IJTR and One More, etc. But his emotional, nuanced delivery is always impeccable and one of a kind. ROR, his vocal tone, even though a little different from the classic songs, was fantastic and high register still powerful.

[SherriBerry]

I do know who Herbie is.... but you're passing his word as though it's the gospel.... and it could very well be accurate, but being "impressed" is vague. I question it because I hear quite plainly that Steve P.'s voice is very withered and raspy. His higher range is practically nonexistent and his power seems cut down by half.... So again I ask: "what is impressed?" I don't think Saint John is completely accurate with 100+ takes, which is why I didnt agree with it, but TBF wasnt exactly a masterpiece showcase for Steve's vocals.

As far as Neal goes, he's always been supportive of EVERY singer Journey has had.... Steve P., Steve A., Jeff Soto, and Arnel.... all have been called the "real deal" and he's praised them all, even when their performances were questionable....

You're completely missing the point - if SP could sing the classics decently enough that the band had a positive reaction (ie "impressed"), then SP's voice could not be so deteriorated that it would take piecing together 184 (or anything near that) takes of phrases to get a recording of a much less challenging song like 'When You Love A Woman'. It doesn't matter that impressed is vague to you - impressed is a positive reaction as opposed to a negative one like disappointed, concerned, horrified, incredulous, etc. etc. No one is claiming that SP's voice was in top condition or hadn't lost much of its power and part of the higher register, but that is a far cry what SJ keeps claiming.

Herbie's word isn't "gospel", but he takes every opportunity to slam Steve Perry. On the rare occasions that he says anything remotely positive about him, it is certainly noteworthy and while I said Neal in particular, you are naive if you think he would be Herbie's only access to the outcome of the studio sessions. And yes, Neal has been very supportive of each singer initially - perhaps because they all did in fact sound good in the studio. It's touring the catalogue on the road that shredded Steve A's vocals and impacted Arnel's enough to tune down. If the TBF sessions had been after a tour, you might have a point.

[SherriBerry]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Since Herbie is on record saying that SP came in to the TBF sessions and impressed the band the first day singing the old songs, I would say your source on that one is full of it. He could not have pulled that off yet needed 184 separate takes to string a recording of this song together. Not to mention that if his voice were really that deteriorated, no amount of training and vocal therapy would have gotten it strong enough to tour even if the songs were sped up fast enough to sound like chipmunks and the band would have known it. There is a huge difference between being out of practice (Bill Graham Tribute) and completely gone in the condition you describe. Sorry, another shot bites the dust.

Put that into context please..... was Herbie there? How were they impressed? Impressed = sing exactly like he used to or impressed = he could carry a tune? These guys were also impressed with Steve A.... sorry, but this is way too vague. I love TBF, but anyone with a set of functioning ears can hear that the man's power and range was nothing compared to what he used to have...... he ducks notes and doesn't do any of the vocal acrobats he did on previous songs....

But that's okay! he sounded pleasant enough to carry those great songs on TBF.

I'm assuming you know who Herbie is and why he would know exactly what happened in the studio whether he was there or not - particularly from Neal. As for what he meant by impressed, it is at least evident that if SP sounded any level of good on the much more challenging classics, he couldn't have had such deteriorated vocals that he couldn't croak out a decent version of 'When You Love a Woman' and needed 184 takes of phrase groupings. In this context it isn't relevant whether he could sound like it was 1983 or 1987 - it matters that he was still good enough that the band was impressed with it. Unless SJ can quote a source that is on record and reliable, I'm not buying his story!

We all know and accept that SP's voice during TBF had lost much of its power and higher range, but he could still work a song like no one else!

True statement. Unlike many on here TBF just isn't a CD I listen to much b/c of the slowness of the second half (which is really nice on a rainy day, though), but really more so b/c of Perry's high vocals. There is a hollowness to them on many songs and the sound grates on my ears and I don't know why. I've tried and tried to listen but it bothers me. I wish it didn't. But there's many songs that work and sound great like WYLAW and IJTR and One More, etc. But his emotional, nuanced delivery is always impeccable and one of a kind. ROR, his vocal tone, even though a little different from the classic songs, was fantastic and high register still powerful.

I also love 'Easy to Fall' on TBF! There was more depth to the lyrics on many of this album's songs, but I definitely agree that TBF fell a bit flat with what Herbie called a monotone sound - no vocal takeoffs. It doesn't have that typical Journey effect of blowing me away, but I think it still has a beautiful, reflective quality that wasn't on some of their previous work either. Is ROR your favourite, Jana?

[Jana]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Since Herbie is on record saying that SP came in to the TBF sessions and impressed the band the first day singing the old songs, I would say your source on that one is full of it. He could not have pulled that off yet needed 184 separate takes to string a recording of this song together. Not to mention that if his voice were really that deteriorated, no amount of training and vocal therapy would have gotten it strong enough to tour even if the songs were sped up fast enough to sound like chipmunks and the band would have known it. There is a huge difference between being out of practice (Bill Graham Tribute) and completely gone in the condition you describe. Sorry, another shot bites the dust.

Put that into context please..... was Herbie there? How were they impressed? Impressed = sing exactly like he used to or impressed = he could carry a tune? These guys were also impressed with Steve A.... sorry, but this is way too vague. I love TBF, but anyone with a set of functioning ears can hear that the man's power and range was nothing compared to what he used to have...... he ducks notes and doesn't do any of the vocal acrobats he did on previous songs....

But that's okay! he sounded pleasant enough to carry those great songs on TBF.

I'm assuming you know who Herbie is and why he would know exactly what happened in the studio whether he was there or not - particularly from Neal. As for what he meant by impressed, it is at least evident that if SP sounded any level of good on the much more challenging classics, he couldn't have had such deteriorated vocals that he couldn't croak out a decent version of 'When You Love a Woman' and needed 184 takes of phrase groupings. In this context it isn't relevant whether he could sound like it was 1983 or 1987 - it matters that he was still good enough that the band was impressed with it. Unless SJ can quote a source that is on record and reliable, I'm not buying his story!

We all know and accept that SP's voice during TBF had lost much of its power and higher range, but he could still work a song like no one else!

True statement. Unlike many on here TBF just isn't a CD I listen to much b/c of the slowness of the second half (which is really nice on a rainy day, though), but really more so b/c of Perry's high vocals. There is a hollowness to them on many songs and the sound grates on my ears and I don't know why. I've tried and tried to listen but it bothers me. I wish it didn't. But there's many songs that work and sound great like WYLAW and IJTR and One More, etc. But his emotional, nuanced delivery is always impeccable and one of a kind. ROR, his vocal tone, even though a little different from the classic songs, was fantastic and high register still powerful.

I also love 'Easy to Fall' on TBF! There was more depth to the lyrics on many of this album's songs, but I definitely agree that TBF fell a bit flat with what Herbie called a monotone sound - no vocal takeoffs. It doesn't have that typical Journey effect of blowing me away, but I think it still has a beautiful, reflective quality that wasn't on some of their previous work either. Is ROR your favourite, Jana?

Also love Easy to Fall. No, not ROR. I was comparing his voice from ROR to TBF, as both albums saw changes in his voice. Though, I love a lot of songs on ROR, just didn't like the dated sound on some of the songs instrumentwise. I'm more of a classic Journey fan for the sound, such as Send Her My Love, Only The Young type sound, Precious Time, Stay Awhile, Lights. Who's Crying Now, Chain Reaction, Escape.

[SherriBerry]

I'll happily concede that the Manila version isn't as good as the original album version. But it's also not a copy and paste 184 part vocal take, either. Perry never sang it live because he can't and he knows it. And barring vocal surgery (and some fucking couch help), that's still the case.

Since Herbie is on record saying that SP came in to the TBF sessions and impressed the band the first day singing the old songs, I would say your source on that one is full of it. He could not have pulled that off yet needed 184 separate takes to string a recording of this song together. Not to mention that if his voice were really that deteriorated, no amount of training and vocal therapy would have gotten it strong enough to tour even if the songs were sped up fast enough to sound like chipmunks and the band would have known it. There is a huge difference between being out of practice (Bill Graham Tribute) and completely gone in the condition you describe. Sorry, another shot bites the dust.

Put that into context please..... was Herbie there? How were they impressed? Impressed = sing exactly like he used to or impressed = he could carry a tune? These guys were also impressed with Steve A.... sorry, but this is way too vague. I love TBF, but anyone with a set of functioning ears can hear that the man's power and range was nothing compared to what he used to have...... he ducks notes and doesn't do any of the vocal acrobats he did on previous songs....

But that's okay! he sounded pleasant enough to carry those great songs on TBF.

I'm assuming you know who Herbie is and why he would know exactly what happened in the studio whether he was there or not - particularly from Neal. As for what he meant by impressed, it is at least evident that if SP sounded any level of good on the much more challenging classics, he couldn't have had such deteriorated vocals that he couldn't croak out a decent version of 'When You Love a Woman' and needed 184 takes of phrase groupings. In this context it isn't relevant whether he could sound like it was 1983 or 1987 - it matters that he was still good enough that the band was impressed with it. Unless SJ can quote a source that is on record and reliable, I'm not buying his story!

We all know and accept that SP's voice during TBF had lost much of its power and higher range, but he could still work a song like no one else!

True statement. Unlike many on here TBF just isn't a CD I listen to much b/c of the slowness of the second half (which is really nice on a rainy day, though), but really more so b/c of Perry's high vocals. There is a hollowness to them on many songs and the sound grates on my ears and I don't know why. I've tried and tried to listen but it bothers me. I wish it didn't. But there's many songs that work and sound great like WYLAW and IJTR and One More, etc. But his emotional, nuanced delivery is always impeccable and one of a kind. ROR, his vocal tone, even though a little different from the classic songs, was fantastic and high register still powerful.

I also love 'Easy to Fall' on TBF! There was more depth to the lyrics on many of this album's songs, but I definitely agree that TBF fell a bit flat with what Herbie called a monotone sound - no vocal takeoffs. It doesn't have that typical Journey effect of blowing me away, but I think it still has a beautiful, reflective quality that wasn't on some of their previous work either. Is ROR your favourite, Jana?

Also love Easy to Fall. No, not ROR. I was comparing his voice from ROR to TBF, as both albums saw changes in his voice. Though, I love a lot of songs on ROR, just didn't like the dated sound on some of the songs instrumentwise. I'm more of a classic Journey fan for the sound, such as Send Her My Love, Only The Young type sound, Precious Time, Stay Awhile, Lights. Who's Crying Now, Chain Reaction, Escape.

Me too, all of the above.