Perry Tribute Site Bites The Dust

[SP Fan in Oregon]

You have no idea what I do or do not know regarding Kathy, so I wouldn't presume anything. If someone purchases a bootleg t-shirt from an unofficial artist fan site, that person is taking a risk. Making a donation to a charity through someone running a fan site who offers no accounting information on the donations is also risky. No one is arguing the point that Kathy took advantage of people who trusted her. I think that has been established and those people can and should take action.

And who would you like to answer your question? The answer is quite obvious. So now this is SP's fault because he didn't have his attorney's on this? And people aren't fans of his music anymore because some fan ripped them off? [/quote]




It's a ridiculous transference of guilt. Kathy's bad, so therefore SP is bad.
That is the worst logical analysis I think I've ever seen.

[HERO]

This woman has prayed on fans for 8 years and for all those 8 years has gotten away with it. That woman has told so many lies and people believed her because she professed she was their ONLY line to Steve himself. It's sad that someone would feel it was okay to use fans of a very much loved and respected celebrity to give herself an income and cheat a wonderful charity in the process.

Fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music. Andrew has been very gracious to let this thread stay and giving members of PV past or present a chance to vent. Sometimes letting it all go is the start of the healing process.

I too have been used and abused by her and I for one want it all to stop and to stop it we need to stop her so that she can not ever do this again to anyone. She thought she was GOD and hide behind that to make what she did right and it was wrong on all levels. I know that some are tired of the rants on this thread and some might wish it would stop or die down but until something is done how can it ever die and be gone? How can people ever be able to move on knowing in the back of their minds that she is still out there somewhere just waiting to come back to try and destroy all of us that are now speaking. Trust me if she is not stopped she will come back.

I don't mean any disrespect to anyone I just want harmony to come again on all Steve Perry and Journey fan sites and this will never happen if something is not done. Please let's all work together.

Well said. There is no reason why all the fan sites cannot exist in harmony and mutual respect. However that will be extremely difficult to achieve while KN continues to poison the scene. That pariah should be shunned by one and all.

[HERO]

So now this is SP's fault because he didn't have his attorney's on this? And people aren't fans of his music anymore because some fan ripped them off?

It's a ridiculous transference of guilt. Kathy's bad, so therefore SP is bad.
That is the worst logical analysis I think I've ever seen.

I don't think that any of us blame SP for what KN has done. She is an adult and therefore responsible for her own actions.

[Lora]

I don't think that any of us blame SP for what KN has done. She is an adult and therefore responsible for her own actions.

Really?

Fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music.

[Babyblue]

Well i am and will always be a fan of Mr P .He is a good and kind man. And if he cames out with new music i will buy it.And maybe i am dreaming here but it would be beautiful to see all Perry sites come together.But that can only happy after KN is gone from the net.Lora , you are a cool person and you watch out for Mr P and i thank you for that.I will never get to meet him and i know it.But that will not stop me being a fan of his.All Kathy ever did was read my pm's that's not bad for the other dirty stuff she did.And for banning you from pv .That was just worng on her part.I believe it and still say it KARMA will take care of her.

[Laydee]

Kathy/her actions have left a sour taste in my mouth regarding Perry fan sites, but in no way affects my fandom of the music/singer.

Well, I can't comment on other fan sites, but mine is doing fine. We are getting plenty of hits and Emails. I know I did not have any direct connections to KN (except a couple of "You stole my friggin pictures" emails), but as I showed several pages back, she has been in contact with me and she thought she had something on me, but it backfired on her. I never got in with PV simply because I never cared for the way she did things. (Charging for her Forum, not updating her site, and her attitude just sucked in my opinion). But I know SEVERAL people who was on there and they would always tell me if I wanted to be anything on the net, (where SP was concerned, at least), that I had to be part of PV. I'm glad I can think for myself and that I did not listen to them because clearly they was wrong.

[perrylover52]

I don't think that any of us blame SP for what KN has done. She is an adult and therefore responsible for her own actions

Really?

I sure as hell don't blame SP or you, Lora, for what KN has done. She did it to herself. There are plenty of good forums that honor SP. Nor has what KN did sour me on any other Fan Forum for SP. I judge each on their own and don't lump them together.

[Ftloperry]

[quote="Ftloperry"]
Fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music. [ /quote]

Dang it sorry I left out some words.......let me try this again.

fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related on the net and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music.

Deb., Lora and anyone else sorry I didn't preview before I posted and didn't get back on till now to see my error.

[Ms.Nobody]

Funny, I have seen many people defend you and CP in this thread, even to the point to make sure that everyone understood that you had no real connection to her and her "ideas".

The sad thing is Lora, that there are others who believed KN and her stories about her relationship with you and Steve. These are the people that left with a "bad taste" in their mouths for SP. Like I have said before, you only have a small amount of knowledge of what went on there due to what she ALLOWED you to see. Fact is, she did just as much damage to your name as she did SP's.

As for your victim statement, when you pay for something, you expect to see it. When you donate money to a charity, you are donating to help those in need. This didnt happen. The people who donated and the charities ARE the victims. To say they are not is a shame.

Funny, no one seems to want to answer a question I have asked several times. This time I will highlight it and perhaps it might get answered.

Did KN have the licence/authority/permission of Steve Perry, his attorneys or agents to manufacture or sell anything with Steve Perry's name/face/likeness?

Perhaps this is a question that makes some uncomfortable.

You have no idea what I do or do not know regarding Kathy, so I wouldn't presume anything. If someone purchases a bootleg t-shirt from an unofficial artist fan site, that person is taking a risk. Making a donation to a charity through someone running a fan site who offers no accounting information on the donations is also risky. No one is arguing the point that Kathy took advantage of people who trusted her. I think that has been established and those people can and should take action.

And who would you like to answer your question? The answer is quite obvious. So now this is SP's fault because he didn't have his attorney's on this? And people aren't fans of his music anymore because some fan ripped them off?

Let's not play a game of twisting words around. NO ONE, not myself or anyone else who has posted in this thread has ever said that or even eluded to Steve Perry being at fault. That assumption is totally insane.

Yes there were people who believed the story she spun.Therefore they blamed him also. NOT ALL OF US ARE THAT DUMB, STUPID OR NAIVE.

There are plenty of us "normal" fans out there that have seen many of his concerts, that have bought the music, enjoy the music and can probably tell stories relating to different songs he has sang throughout their lives. We are the ones that love/enjoy/play the music and respect the man. THEN there are the ones that have an agenda. They feel the need to follow him, watch what he eats, drinks, what clothes he wears, follow him into restaurants, tape him with his friends in private moments, meetings etc. I am sure you know the type I am speaking of.

I think the majority speak out because this crap went on. There are probably twice or three times many who haven't spoken because they know now they got duped and they feel foolish.The ones speaking out here are protecting Steve Perry's name and what he built from being scammed again.

[midnighthour]

Fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music. [ /quote]

Dang it sorry I left out some words.......let me try this again.

fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related on the net and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music.

Deb., Lora and anyone else sorry I didn't preview before I posted and didn't get back on till now to see my error.

so well said and I wanted to rip the snarkie remarks of the "professional" apart but ...enough...WE love steve perry (music cause we're not loons) we got conned by a con artist...thief, liar, just all over bad women....that will die in her own disgust of herself and how much hatred she has just reflects on how much she really....hates herself....she's done...(oohh I'm melting...I'm melting)

NOW.....finally....can we get back to business....STEVE might have new cd this next year....hello waiting for so long....BACK to the Man!!!!!

[Lora]

Fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music. [ /quote]

Dang it sorry I left out some words.......let me try this again.

fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related on the net and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music.

Deb., Lora and anyone else sorry I didn't preview before I posted and didn't get back on till now to see my error.

No worries. I have heard similar sentiments from others. Just using your quote to make a point.

[journey4tomorrow]

And you accuse me of a cheap shot?
That woman, being the fine upstanding christian that she is, has called me far worse. I think that she is getting off lightly. Someone may need to explain the concept of lightness to her. She has hurt so many people, both fiends of mine and those who are strangers to me. I would defend them all, and their right to say whatever they please about KN. It is my hope that by exposing her here for the fraud and charlatan that she obviously is others in the future may be spared what many of us have gone through.

As a matter of fact my previous comment was more in agreement with you regarding her greed, than about any "issues" she may have, weighty or otherwise.

A great many of us have taken cheap shots at K in this thread. It's human nature to lash out when one feels hurt, angry or threatened. I can only speak for myself regarding the hurt K has caused me, personally. I knew she'd done the same to others and that I wasn't alone...But until viewing this thread, I had no idea to just what levels she has stooped and she keeps coming back! Hopefully she can and will be stopped this time!

[midnighthour]

Fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music. [ /quote]

Dang it sorry I left out some words.......let me try this again.

fans were hurt and deeply scared by her actions and some fans I know no longer will support anything Steve or Journey related on the net and that is so sad because some of those people were true dedicate fans that loved the music.

Deb., Lora and anyone else sorry I didn't preview before I posted and didn't get back on till now to see my error.

No worries. I have heard similar sentiments from others. Just using your quote to make a point.

And you do it so well and with so much professional snark....take a bow girl....now...give us some inside info was the tunes you heard good?....do we have another good morning girl /happy to give thing coming....oh oh oh...we going to bug you now...run (totally kidding and let's all me included lighten up and have some fun)

[Ftloperry]

I think all of you owe a lot of thanks and gratitude to Andrew for providing a place for you all to
verbalize freely, without getting the thread locked.

I so agree. THANK YOU Andrew.

[perrylover52]

I think all of you owe a lot of thanks and gratitude to Andrew for providing a place for you all to
verbalize freely, without getting the thread locked.

I so agree. THANK YOU Andrew.

Make that two. On top of that we didn't have any arguments like they do upstairs either. I'd like to think that this is one forum that doesn't give Andrew grey hair or make him want to pull out any of his hair.

So a very big Thank You for give us this forum to speak our minds like we have been doing.

[midnighthour]

I think all of you owe a lot of thanks and gratitude to Andrew for providing a place for you all to
verbalize freely, without getting the thread locked.

I so agree. THANK YOU Andrew.

why do YOU think we owe him anything? With all due respect for you
Andrew...is this your bitch?

So tired of people that tell people what to do and how to act on an open forum unless you are the owner...then you just delete...and if it's me from this post...so be it...but bitch...don't act. I could open, program or whatever a hundred of these things....we come here because he allows it and we do thank him....but that don't make him god or you goddess....he needs posters period otherwise..what's the frigging point? And why do you....tell us what to do? "I think"...well think again...and without the blonde side.

[Andrew]

So tired of people that tell people what to do and how to act on an open forum unless you are the owner...then you just delete...and if it's me from this post...so be it...but bitch...don't act. I could open, program or whatever a hundred of these things....we come here because he allows it and we do thank him....but that don't make him god or you goddess....he needs posters period otherwise..what's the frigging point? And why do you....tell us what to do? "I think"...well think again...and without the blonde side.

WTHFHDTAM????????????

[treetopovskaya]

So tired of people that tell people what to do and how to act on an open forum unless you are the owner...then you just delete...and if it's me from this post...so be it...but bitch...don't act. I could open, program or whatever a hundred of these things....we come here because he allows it and we do thank him....but that don't make him god or you goddess....he needs posters period otherwise..what's the frigging point? And why do you....tell us what to do? "I think"...well think again...and without the blonde side.

WTHFHDTAM????????????

i thought maybe some mary jane fields were buring in the LA fire & i was getting a contact high.

}:C)

[Ms.Nobody]

So tired of people that tell people what to do and how to act on an open forum unless you are the owner...then you just delete...and if it's me from this post...so be it...but bitch...don't act. I could open, program or whatever a hundred of these things....we come here because he allows it and we do thank him....but that don't make him god or you goddess....he needs posters period otherwise..what's the frigging point? And why do you....tell us what to do? "I think"...well think again...and without the blonde side.

WTHFHDTAM????????????

Confused by several of this posetrs posts.

For the record, I think the proper word here should be appreciative. Andrew has allowed this thread to stay opened and has allowed us the chance to vent/educate/make aware of what we know. He could have shut it down a long time ago. He has never at any time made himself out to be a "god". Perhaps MNH you dont realize Andrew's site has been around for 10 yrs +, and he has made it available and open for everyone. I dont think Andrew "needs" posters, he welcomes them, there is a difference. All he asks for is for people to respect others opinions. Check out his front page, that in itself says volumes about his work.

Thanks Andrew for allowing us to rant.

[Andrew]

Thanks for the post. Appreciate that...covers it all I think.

Rant away...although perhaps this thread is closing in on the endzone.

[Red13JoePa]

For the record, I dont think Andrew "needs" posters, he welcomes them, there is a difference.

Agreed, and bears repeating as too often when AJM has to lay the gauntlet down he's challenged on political grounds about "public rights" which have no bearing here.
Andrew's dime EVERYbody else's privelage period.

[Ftloperry]

NOW.....finally....can we get back to business....STEVE might have new cd this next year....hello waiting for so long....BACK to the Man!!!!!

I can see it now Steve touring with new music......Steve Perry live at Madison Square Garden with opening act Journey. Okay its a stretch I know.....

[Babyblue]

So tired of people that tell people what to do and how to act on an open forum unless you are the owner...then you just delete...and if it's me from this post...so be it...but bitch...don't act. I could open, program or whatever a hundred of these things....we come here because he allows it and we do thank him....but that don't make him god or you goddess....he needs posters period otherwise..what's the frigging point? And why do you....tell us what to do? "I think"...well think again...and without the blonde side.

WTHFHDTAM????????????

Confused by several of this posetrs posts.

For the record, I think the proper word here should be appreciative. Andrew has allowed this thread to stay opened and has allowed us the chance to vent/educate/make aware of what we know. He could have shut it down a long time ago. He has never at any time made himself out to be a "god". Perhaps MNH you dont realize Andrew's site has been around for 10 yrs +, and he has made it available and open for everyone. I dont think Andrew "needs" posters, he welcomes them, there is a difference. All he asks for is for people to respect others opinions. Check out his front page, that in itself says volumes about his work.

Thanks Andrew for allowing us to rant.

Very well said Again thank you Andrew

[Babyblue]

NOW.....finally....can we get back to business....STEVE might have new cd this next year....hello waiting for so long....BACK to the Man!!!!!

I can see it now Steve touring with new music......Steve Perry live at Madison Square Garden with opening act Journey. Okay its a stretch I know.....

That would be so great to see..... and all the loons would be their for sure. Way to go Stevie we knew you could do it babyyyyyyy

[Deb]

For the record, I dont think Andrew "needs" posters, he welcomes them, there is a difference.

Agreed, and bears repeating as too often when AJM has to lay the gauntlet down he's challenged on political grounds about "public rights" which have no bearing here.
Andrew's dime, EVERYbody else's privelage, period.

Bingo!

[Rockindeano]

For the record, I dont think Andrew "needs" posters, he welcomes them, there is a difference.

Agreed, and bears repeating as too often when AJM has to lay the gauntlet down he's challenged on political grounds about "public rights" which have no bearing here.
Andrew's dime EVERYbody else's privelage period.

I've always done whatever the Hell I wanted.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

So tired of people that tell people what to do and how to act on an open forum unless you are the owner...then you just delete...and if it's me from this post...so be it...but bitch...don't act. I could open, program or whatever a hundred of these things....we come here because he allows it and we do thank him....but that don't make him god or you goddess....he needs posters period otherwise..what's the frigging point? And why do you....tell us what to do? "I think"...well think again...and without the blonde side.

WTHFHDTAM????????????

Confused by several of this posetrs posts.

For the record, I think the proper word here should be appreciative. Andrew has allowed this thread to stay opened and has allowed us the chance to vent/educate/make aware of what we know. He could have shut it down a long time ago. He has never at any time made himself out to be a "god". Perhaps MNH you dont realize Andrew's site has been around for 10 yrs +, and he has made it available and open for everyone. I dont think Andrew "needs" posters, he welcomes them, there is a difference. All he asks for is for people to respect others opinions. Check out his front page, that in itself says volumes about his work.

Thanks Andrew for allowing us to rant.

i.e. the difference between a classy MR member (ms. Nobody) and a crazy lunatic "dump pig"

[garnold1965]

I have read with interest all the post here from so many different people.The main theme I'm getting is that the witch A.K.A. Kathy, deserves what ever punishment can be brought down on her head.That being said I must tell you that since the very beginning when I broke the MaW scandal,I have been asking for any collaboration I could get backing my story about how funds were raised,(auctions,calender sales,cookbooks with donated recepies,etc.) always with the knowledge that they would be donated to MaW in S.Perrys name.The FBI does'nt know me from shit and I knew all the backing I could get would help bolster the complaint.So far only three of the ex PVers who were really wanting me to go to bat for them have given me that proof I asked for.I don't care if you were a long ago member or a recent victim,let me know what you know, please.Everyone wants her hung but they don't want to help with the rope.Nobody gives a shit about some f**kingT-shirts(Lora, most members did'nt know it was illegal to sell them there) that were not ordered.They (shirts) were just the reason for awaking suspicions that were already on the minds of a lot of us.Not a single person I knew in PV thought K could somehow get them closer to SP. I was'nt a member when the star crap went down.It(PV) was,we thought, a place to celebrate the music of one of the best rock singers ever to grace a stage.Not for stalking, or any other intrusion into SP's life.It evolved into a social networking site,where friends were met and made.It was,we found out, always a money making scheme for K.The members had big hearts and just did'nt know how evil K was.If they were guilty of anything,it was being too trusting of a snake oil salesman.I will not quit.I will keep going after her and with the help of a couple of lovely people I met here and much appreciated advice form posters, maybe finally we can at least cause the witch to fall into her own cauldren.Will always keep ya'll up-dated on any progress.

[walkslikealady]

garnold1965, I wish you well in your quest for justice. I understand some of your problems...who knew what and did what...what can you prove, etc.

If nothing else good comes of this mess, you and some others did your best to warn people and that's a good thing in my book.

[Babyblue]

garnold1965, I wish you well in your quest for justice. I understand some of your problems...who knew what and did what...what can you prove, etc.

If nothing else good comes of this mess, you and some others did your best to warn people and that's a good thing in my book.

Amen!!!! Good luck hon