I just asked...

[Gideon]

This sounds like you're commending SA for committing a farce, yet blaming SP for being 'toast' and wanting off the train.

No, you continue misunderstand me, my motives, and my position on Perry. I don't blame and have never blamed Perry one single iota for shutting down Jon and Neal's plans for a third leg of the ROR tour. He clearly couldn't handle it between the various personal and physical points of stress.

It's the part that comes after that... namely Against The Wall and For the Love of Strange Medicine that I blame him for.

I agree it's commendable that he's not blaming the others (although I don't necessarily agree that they are without some fault),

Neal's superhuman when it comes to touring, Perry isn't. Perry couldn't keep up, neither could Augeri and likely neither will Pineda. At this stage in the game, Neal should be smart enough to know the inevitable ramifications of a demanding tour schedule on a singer. Live and learn. But, nonetheless, the blame lies with Perry. He's gone on record in BTM that he had something of a defiant streak, "putting his nose where other people probably didn't want me to," and all around being a general control freak when it pertains to his own life. He didn't have the balls to step up and tell them no, and that's his fault. What did he have to lose?

I betcha Neal wouldn't do the same thing. Oh wait, he already did (NOT) do that when he denied knowledge of anything but what was in his headphones. What a tool.

Look, let's get this straight: The whole Tapegate fiasco was just that.... a fiasco. It was an unethical and moronic decision made by the band and management for cooking it up and perpetuating it. I hold Neal accountable for it and yes, he acted like an absolute and utter tool. It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me appreciate his fretwork any less.
It's okay to recognize faults, flaws, and weaknesses in those we like or care about, Donna.

[escapefan]

This sounds like you're commending SA for committing a farce, yet blaming SP for being 'toast' and wanting off the train.

No, you continue misunderstand me, my motives, and my position on Perry. I don't blame and have never blamed Perry one single iota for shutting down Jon and Neal's plans for a third leg of the ROR tour. He clearly couldn't handle it between the various personal and physical points of stress.

It's the part that comes after that... namely Against The Wall and For the Love of Strange Medicine that I blame him for.

I agree it's commendable that he's not blaming the others (although I don't necessarily agree that they are without some fault),

Neal's superhuman when it comes to touring, Perry isn't. Perry couldn't keep up, neither could Augeri and likely neither will Pineda. At this stage in the game, Neal should be smart enough to know the inevitable ramifications of a demanding tour schedule on a singer. Live and learn. But, nonetheless, the blame lies with Perry. He's gone on record in BTM that he had something of a defiant streak, "putting his nose where other people probably didn't want me to," and all around being a general control freak when it pertains to his own life. He didn't have the balls to step up and tell them no, and that's his fault. What did he have to lose?

I betcha Neal wouldn't do the same thing. Oh wait, he already did (NOT) do that when he denied knowledge of anything but what was in his headphones. What a tool.

Look, let's get this straight: The whole Tapegate fiasco was just that.... a fiasco. It was an unethical and moronic decision made by the band and management for cooking it up and perpetuating it. I hold Neal accountable for it and yes, he acted like an absolute and utter tool. It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me appreciate his fretwork any less.
It's okay to recognize faults, flaws, and weaknesses in those we like or care about, Donna.

Good post Gideon!

[onmyjrny]

This sounds like you're commending SA for committing a farce, yet blaming SP for being 'toast' and wanting off the train.

No, you continue misunderstand me, my motives, and my position on Perry. I don't blame and have never blamed Perry one single iota for shutting down Jon and Neal's plans for a third leg of the ROR tour. He clearly couldn't handle it between the various personal and physical points of stress.

It's the part that comes after that... namely Against The Wall and For the Love of Strange Medicine that I blame him for.

I agree it's commendable that he's not blaming the others (although I don't necessarily agree that they are without some fault),

Neal's superhuman when it comes to touring, Perry isn't. Perry couldn't keep up, neither could Augeri and likely neither will Pineda. At this stage in the game, Neal should be smart enough to know the inevitable ramifications of a demanding tour schedule on a singer. Live and learn. But, nonetheless, the blame lies with Perry. He's gone on record in BTM that he had something of a defiant streak, "putting his nose where other people probably didn't want me to," and all around being a general control freak when it pertains to his own life. He didn't have the balls to step up and tell them no, and that's his fault. What did he have to lose?

He had everything to lose, if you are talking about the tour that didn't happen after TBF. If he had stepped up and said that his voice would no longer handle the schedule of a Journey tour, they would have said "See Ya!" right then and there. He was probably trying to buy time to figure out if his voice was fixable or not.

I betcha Neal wouldn't do the same thing. Oh wait, he already did (NOT) do that when he denied knowledge of anything but what was in his headphones. What a tool.

Look, let's get this straight: The whole Tapegate fiasco was just that.... a fiasco. It was an unethical and moronic decision made by the band and management for cooking it up and perpetuating it. I hold Neal accountable for it and yes, he acted like an absolute and utter tool. It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me appreciate his fretwork any less.
It's okay to recognize faults, flaws, and weaknesses in those we like or care about, Donna.

I've never understood why Tapegate has been viewed in this manner. It was far worse than anything Perry did, IMO. Yet no one is still bashing the band for it, and Perry is still constantly getting bashed for things that happened last century. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[Greg]

Fair enough. But you must realize that some of those comments came before Nostrildamus played the "Hey, remember me? I can still sing and have been practicing scales, writing, seeing what I have left, sketching 50 songs and seeing what I have left. Oh, wait, I already said that." :roll: Listen, I thought the guy could still sing and believed him for a long time. That is, of course, until I found out he was flat out lying and can't sing. Period.

You just wanted to make sure Perry could see what he had left SJ!

Seems like the only one(s) who really know what Perry has left is those who have been lucky enough to have heard the demos (wasn't that Lora and/or Cyndy) and of course, Perry himself.

Myself personally, I have to say that Steve Perry is a celebrity. Celebrities, being public figures, are subject to having to open themselves up more to the public than any of us. Personally, I don't really care how much Perry likes baseball or his favorite new artists he has in his MP3 player or anything like that. Wanting to know IF in fact he truly is going to continue his career in which he made his living off of is not a private thing. A lot of us spent a lot of our hard earned cash on records, albums, live concerts, traveling to these concerts, concert T-Shirts, etc...some have invested more than others, but still we all have invested a certain amount of our income to this band and the individual musicians within the band. I think it's only fair that us fans know where Perry stands as far as his music.

For me, it's OK if he says he still writes, records demos, and "sings". The man has every right to do so. And, it's OK with me for him to say, "I'll always write, do recording as a hobby and sing, but I'm retired." I have certainly missed his voice in Journey, and has missed his voice on solo records, but I also recognize that the man is in his 60's now, and even if he released and album this year, it would more than likely be his last.

[Gideon]

I've never understood why Tapegate has been viewed in this manner. It was far worse than anything Perry did, IMO. Yet no one is still bashing the band for it, and Perry is still constantly getting bashed for things that happened last century. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

?
I agreed that Tapegate was unethical and moronic, I'm not supporting it.

[onmyjrny]

I've never understood why Tapegate has been viewed in this manner. It was far worse than anything Perry did, IMO. Yet no one is still bashing the band for it, and Perry is still constantly getting bashed for things that happened last century. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

?
I agreed that Tapegate was unethical and moronic, I'm not supporting it.

I'm not saying you are supporting it. It just seems like people are really upset with Perry for anything bad that has happened to Journey. I just don't get why people are constantly bashing him for "lying" when the band tells a blatent lie, gets caught, and doesn't suffer the same consequences. It seems like a double standard to me.

I'm not sure why you "blame" Perry for ATW and FTLOSM...because he toured without Journey?

[Rick]

This sounds like you're commending SA for committing a farce, yet blaming SP for being 'toast' and wanting off the train.

No, you continue misunderstand me, my motives, and my position on Perry. I don't blame and have never blamed Perry one single iota for shutting down Jon and Neal's plans for a third leg of the ROR tour. He clearly couldn't handle it between the various personal and physical points of stress.

It's the part that comes after that... namely Against The Wall and For the Love of Strange Medicine that I blame him for.

I agree it's commendable that he's not blaming the others (although I don't necessarily agree that they are without some fault),

Neal's superhuman when it comes to touring, Perry isn't. Perry couldn't keep up, neither could Augeri and likely neither will Pineda. At this stage in the game, Neal should be smart enough to know the inevitable ramifications of a demanding tour schedule on a singer. Live and learn. But, nonetheless, the blame lies with Perry. He's gone on record in BTM that he had something of a defiant streak, "putting his nose where other people probably didn't want me to," and all around being a general control freak when it pertains to his own life. He didn't have the balls to step up and tell them no, and that's his fault. What did he have to lose?

He had everything to lose, if you are talking about the tour that didn't happen after TBF. If he had stepped up and said that his voice would no longer handle the schedule of a Journey tour, they would have said "See Ya!" right then and there. He was probably trying to buy time to figure out if his voice was fixable or not.

I betcha Neal wouldn't do the same thing. Oh wait, he already did (NOT) do that when he denied knowledge of anything but what was in his headphones. What a tool.

Look, let's get this straight: The whole Tapegate fiasco was just that.... a fiasco. It was an unethical and moronic decision made by the band and management for cooking it up and perpetuating it. I hold Neal accountable for it and yes, he acted like an absolute and utter tool. It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me appreciate his fretwork any less.
It's okay to recognize faults, flaws, and weaknesses in those we like or care about, Donna.

I've never understood why Tapegate has been viewed in this manner. It was far worse than anything Perry did, IMO. Yet no one is still bashing the band for it, and Perry is still constantly getting bashed for things that happened last century. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Those instances weren't that far apart in the grand timeline that Journey has.

In my eyes the lip synching fiasco is the biggest black eye the band has. Perry not touring TBF is the second.

Now this is MY take on it, not a general one.

Perry may have hurt his hip, they said he couldn't even stand for the making of the "When You Love A Woman" video. So I do think he did hurt his hip. I, however, don't think he thought he could handle the rigors of a tour for TBF and used his hip as a convenient excuse to get out of it. However inconvenient a severely injured hip may be.

On the other hand, during the lip synching ordeal, the ticket buying public were lied to for quite a few years, over and over. Duped into giving up their money, only to hear a taped audio performance. I'm sure the bands position on this is, "They came to see a show and that's what we gave them." Which is true, but it's not the show they think they're seeing. It's a shameful sham, a duplicitous act, and people were cheated.

I'm sure Perry never set out with any intention of hurting or cheating anyone. I think he went into TBF fully expecting to do the whole thing, the whole way. Coming off of a fairly successful Strange Medicine tour and having some vocal rest, he probably felt pretty good. After that though, during the TBF recording sessions, it was said that he had an extremely tough time getting the vocals just right, and was also said that the vocals on that album are patched together like a pinata. And I think that, more than anything else, is probably what made that light go on in his head and think, "I'm fucked trying to sing this stuff on tour. I'm going to have to say I can't do it. Hey, my hip's hurt, voila."

[STORY_TELLER]

This sounds like you're commending SA for committing a farce, yet blaming SP for being 'toast' and wanting off the train.

No, you continue misunderstand me, my motives, and my position on Perry. I don't blame and have never blamed Perry one single iota for shutting down Jon and Neal's plans for a third leg of the ROR tour. He clearly couldn't handle it between the various personal and physical points of stress.

It's the part that comes after that... namely Against The Wall and For the Love of Strange Medicine that I blame him for.

I agree it's commendable that he's not blaming the others (although I don't necessarily agree that they are without some fault),

Neal's superhuman when it comes to touring, Perry isn't. Perry couldn't keep up, neither could Augeri and likely neither will Pineda. At this stage in the game, Neal should be smart enough to know the inevitable ramifications of a demanding tour schedule on a singer. Live and learn. But, nonetheless, the blame lies with Perry. He's gone on record in BTM that he had something of a defiant streak, "putting his nose where other people probably didn't want me to," and all around being a general control freak when it pertains to his own life. He didn't have the balls to step up and tell them no, and that's his fault. What did he have to lose?

He had everything to lose, if you are talking about the tour that didn't happen after TBF. If he had stepped up and said that his voice would no longer handle the schedule of a Journey tour, they would have said "See Ya!" right then and there. He was probably trying to buy time to figure out if his voice was fixable or not.

I betcha Neal wouldn't do the same thing. Oh wait, he already did (NOT) do that when he denied knowledge of anything but what was in his headphones. What a tool.

Look, let's get this straight: The whole Tapegate fiasco was just that.... a fiasco. It was an unethical and moronic decision made by the band and management for cooking it up and perpetuating it. I hold Neal accountable for it and yes, he acted like an absolute and utter tool. It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me appreciate his fretwork any less.
It's okay to recognize faults, flaws, and weaknesses in those we like or care about, Donna.

I've never understood why Tapegate has been viewed in this manner. It was far worse than anything Perry did, IMO. Yet no one is still bashing the band for it, and Perry is still constantly getting bashed for things that happened last century. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Those instances weren't that far apart in the grand timeline that Journey has.

In my eyes the lip synching fiasco is the biggest black eye the band has. Perry not touring TBF is the second.

Now this is MY take on it, not a general one.

Perry may have hurt his hip, they said he couldn't even stand for the making of the "When You Love A Woman" video. So I do think he did hurt his hip. I, however, don't think he thought he could handle the rigors of a tour for TBF and used his hip as a convenient excuse to get out of it. However inconvenient a severely injured hip may be.

On the other hand, during the lip synching ordeal, the ticket buying public were lied to for quite a few years, over and over. Duped into giving up their money, only to hear a taped audio performance. I'm sure the bands position on this is, "They came to see a show and that's what we gave them." Which is true, but it's not the show they think they're seeing. It's a shameful sham, a duplicitous act, and people were cheated.

I'm sure Perry never set out with any intention of hurting or cheating anyone. I think he went into TBF fully expecting to do the whole thing, the whole way. Coming off of a fairly successful Strange Medicine tour and having some vocal rest, he probably felt pretty good. After that though, during the TBF recording sessions, it was said that he had an extremely tough time getting the vocals just right, and was also said that the vocals on that album are patched together like a pinata. And I think that, more than anything else, is probably what made that light go on in his head and think, "I'm fucked trying to sing this stuff on tour. I'm going to have to say I can't do it. Hey, my hip's hurt, voila."

I think you're on the money about most of it, with the hip discussion as the reason for why he wouldn't tour amongst the band members being the exception. I mean if he had to cut and paste the vocals on TBF, the band had to be aware of the state of his voice. Why would they think he could tour? No way they didn't know or believe it. They saw what he could and couldn't do first hand. I think the band is under some contract gag order not to discuss Perry's voice publicly.

[steveo777]

Steve wants to set the record straight. He will be joining the forums at 4:15 PM today and take any questions you may have.

I'll also be offering some lake front property for sale really cheap, if anyone is interested.

[Rick]

This sounds like you're commending SA for committing a farce, yet blaming SP for being 'toast' and wanting off the train.

No, you continue misunderstand me, my motives, and my position on Perry. I don't blame and have never blamed Perry one single iota for shutting down Jon and Neal's plans for a third leg of the ROR tour. He clearly couldn't handle it between the various personal and physical points of stress.

It's the part that comes after that... namely Against The Wall and For the Love of Strange Medicine that I blame him for.

I agree it's commendable that he's not blaming the others (although I don't necessarily agree that they are without some fault),

Neal's superhuman when it comes to touring, Perry isn't. Perry couldn't keep up, neither could Augeri and likely neither will Pineda. At this stage in the game, Neal should be smart enough to know the inevitable ramifications of a demanding tour schedule on a singer. Live and learn. But, nonetheless, the blame lies with Perry. He's gone on record in BTM that he had something of a defiant streak, "putting his nose where other people probably didn't want me to," and all around being a general control freak when it pertains to his own life. He didn't have the balls to step up and tell them no, and that's his fault. What did he have to lose?

He had everything to lose, if you are talking about the tour that didn't happen after TBF. If he had stepped up and said that his voice would no longer handle the schedule of a Journey tour, they would have said "See Ya!" right then and there. He was probably trying to buy time to figure out if his voice was fixable or not.

I betcha Neal wouldn't do the same thing. Oh wait, he already did (NOT) do that when he denied knowledge of anything but what was in his headphones. What a tool.

Look, let's get this straight: The whole Tapegate fiasco was just that.... a fiasco. It was an unethical and moronic decision made by the band and management for cooking it up and perpetuating it. I hold Neal accountable for it and yes, he acted like an absolute and utter tool. It doesn't hurt my feelings or make me appreciate his fretwork any less.
It's okay to recognize faults, flaws, and weaknesses in those we like or care about, Donna.

I've never understood why Tapegate has been viewed in this manner. It was far worse than anything Perry did, IMO. Yet no one is still bashing the band for it, and Perry is still constantly getting bashed for things that happened last century. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Those instances weren't that far apart in the grand timeline that Journey has.

In my eyes the lip synching fiasco is the biggest black eye the band has. Perry not touring TBF is the second.

Now this is MY take on it, not a general one.

Perry may have hurt his hip, they said he couldn't even stand for the making of the "When You Love A Woman" video. So I do think he did hurt his hip. I, however, don't think he thought he could handle the rigors of a tour for TBF and used his hip as a convenient excuse to get out of it. However inconvenient a severely injured hip may be.

On the other hand, during the lip synching ordeal, the ticket buying public were lied to for quite a few years, over and over. Duped into giving up their money, only to hear a taped audio performance. I'm sure the bands position on this is, "They came to see a show and that's what we gave them." Which is true, but it's not the show they think they're seeing. It's a shameful sham, a duplicitous act, and people were cheated.

I'm sure Perry never set out with any intention of hurting or cheating anyone. I think he went into TBF fully expecting to do the whole thing, the whole way. Coming off of a fairly successful Strange Medicine tour and having some vocal rest, he probably felt pretty good. After that though, during the TBF recording sessions, it was said that he had an extremely tough time getting the vocals just right, and was also said that the vocals on that album are patched together like a pinata. And I think that, more than anything else, is probably what made that light go on in his head and think, "I'm fucked trying to sing this stuff on tour. I'm going to have to say I can't do it. Hey, my hip's hurt, voila."

I think you're on the money about most of it, with the hip discussion as the reason for why he wouldn't tour amongst the band members being the exception. I mean if he had to cut and paste the vocals on TBF, the band had to be aware of the state of his voice. Why would they think he could tour? No way they didn't know or believe it. They saw what he could and couldn't do first hand. I think the band is under some contract gag order not to discuss Perry's voice publicly.

They saw him struggle during ROR, as well. They and Herbie talked him into continuing after he wanted to stop after the Escape tour. He didn't need the money, but the others did. I think Perry continued out of that pressure, and I also think that's why he became so disconnected from the rest of the band. There had to be some resentment. I heard boot after boot of Perry just screaming to hit notes in the ROR tour. It was almost as if he was singing like that to go head and finish off his voice so he could finally get off the train.

[kathyhelms]

Good Luck,

[Deb]

I don't see the association or relevance between those comments and someone lying about touring in 1996, perpetually playing the "privacy" card, continuously playing games and talking about song demos, practicing scales and purporting that he can still sing like he did in the 80's.

I seriously don't get this. How the hell is he playing games? He's asked in interviews etc. what he's been up to lately......and he simply answers it with what he's been doing lately (demo-ing songs, producing, or what have you). Friends that have been lucky enough to hear his voice have mentioned their opinions of it. So how in the hell is SP perpetuating anything? If you are reading more into it than there is, then that's your issue, not SP's.

[conversationpc]

I don't see the association or relevance between those comments and someone lying about touring in 1996, perpetually playing the "privacy" card, continuously playing games and talking about song demos, practicing scales and purporting that he can still sing like he did in the 80's.

I seriously don't get this. How the hell is he playing games? He's asked in interviews etc. what he's been up to lately......and he simply answers it with what he's been doing lately (demo-ing songs, producing, or what have you). Friends that have been lucky enough to hear his voice have mentioned their opinions of it. So how in the hell is SP perpetuating anything? If you are reading more into it than there is, then that's your issue, not SP's.

I don't usually buy what these "friends" impression of SP's voice is nowadays. Of course, they are not going to publicly say that his voice is in the toilet.

[scarygirl]

Day 9 of Perry Interview Request Watch. Why aren't the networks covering this?

[donnaplease]

Bottom line for me is that people continue to trash SP for his perceived (or actual) faults, at the same time continuing to praise the band in spite of theirs. Mostly talking about Dan here!!! If you're really and truly "only in it for the music" as you've said on numerous occasions, then why continue to persecute the man, why not just LOVE the era that he participated in, and respect the contribution that he made to music in general and Journey in particular.

Gideon: I appreciate the fact that you are much more respectful of SP these days as compared to your early days here. It's good to have you back in a kinder and gentler persona!!!

[scarygirl]

Bottom line for me is that people continue to trash SP for his perceived (or actual) faults, at the same time continuing to praise the band in spite of theirs. Mostly talking about Dan here!!!

I am soo glad you clarified the WHOM, I was about to come out with my LOON face on.

[steveo777]

Bottom line for me is that people continue to trash SP for his perceived (or actual) faults, at the same time continuing to praise the band in spite of theirs. Mostly talking about Dan here!!! If you're really and truly "only in it for the music" as you've said on numerous occasions, then why continue to persecute the man, why not just LOVE the era that he participated in, and respect the contribution that he made to music in general and Journey in particular.

...then go listen to Journey because we still have them. All good things will come to an end and I'm glad we still have the band for a bit longer.

[Deb]

I don't see the association or relevance between those comments and someone lying about touring in 1996, perpetually playing the "privacy" card, continuously playing games and talking about song demos, practicing scales and purporting that he can still sing like he did in the 80's.

I seriously don't get this. How the hell is he playing games? He's asked in interviews etc. what he's been up to lately......and he simply answers it with what he's been doing lately (demo-ing songs, producing, or what have you). Friends that have been lucky enough to hear his voice have mentioned their opinions of it. So how in the hell is SP perpetuating anything? If you are reading more into it than there is, then that's your issue, not SP's.

I don't usually buy what these "friends" impression of SP's voice is nowadays. Of course, they are not going to publicly say that his voice is in the toilet.

It's not like these friends were asked point blank if he can still sing or what he sounds like, either. So I guess I'm more from the school of........if he didn't still sound good, they just wouldn't have said anything at all.

But then it's all subjective, as some people think he had lost it by FTLOSM and TBF cuz he sounded different then his glass shattering highs of the 70s, and some (myself included) people preferred his later vocal.....the raspy more raw emotive pipes. I'll take his You Better Wait vocals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TaSuWUdKCU any day.........much more depth, texture and passion in 'em than the 70s vocals IMO.

[escapefan]

I love both. But the common thread (for me) is that you can feel his emotion whether it is the young Perry or the more mature Perry. He is by far my all time favorite singer. No one else comes close to him (IMO).

There is this one version of WITS that gives me chills when he sings and mimicks Neal's guitar playing with his voice. Then there is Don't be down on me baby! It is the sheer raw emotion he can project to his audience on any song he sings..

[onmyjrny]

I love both. But the common thread (for me) is that you can fell his emotion whether it is the young Perry or the more mature Perry. He is by far my all time favorite singer. No one else comes close to him (IMO).

There is this one version of WITS that gives me chills when he sings and mimicks Neal's guitar playing with his voice. Then there is Don't be down on me baby! It is the sheer raw emotion he can project to his audience on any song he sings..

Totally agree with you! It is the timbre and emotion that he carried through his voice that always amazed me. Gotta love YouTube and all the wonderful examples of his unique talent. I really enjoyed the videos of the writing sessions for Missing You. Loved how he struggled to find just the right lyrics and tried singing it several different ways til he found just the right version. He really had amazing feel for what made a song work.

[donnaplease]

Bottom line for me is that people continue to trash SP for his perceived (or actual) faults, at the same time continuing to praise the band in spite of theirs. Mostly talking about Dan here!!! If you're really and truly "only in it for the music" as you've said on numerous occasions, then why continue to persecute the man, why not just LOVE the era that he participated in, and respect the contribution that he made to music in general and Journey in particular.

...then go listen to Journey because we still have them. All good things will come to an end and I'm glad we still have the band for a bit longer.

Oh, I do... all the time! Just not concerned with their current-day offerings.

[Gideon]

Gideon: I appreciate the fact that you are much more respectful of SP these days as compared to your early days here. It's good to have you back in a kinder and gentler persona!!!

Thanks.
And I'm glad you take note of the fact that I'm definitely more respectful of Perry than you are of Cain and Schon.

[tbear1256]

Hey you guys!

Just checking in to see if Andrew heard anything about the interview.

But as I can see here, things are still the same.

No word yet on the interview.

But we are still trying to guess, can he, will he, or won't he still sing?

Whatever, I still am enjoying the music he has done for us.

We were lucky to have that. He really owes us nothing more.

I hope and pray that he has his health and is enjoying his life.

But should he do anything more I will be there and I will enjoy every second of it!

Peace.

TV : )

[Andrew]

No reply...

[steveo777]

No reply...

Well, that could only mean that they are considering your request.

[tbear1256]

No reply...

Well, that could only mean that they are considering your request.

Now that is what I was thinking too!

Andrew, "Somewhere There Is Hope", still.

Peace.

TV : )

[sp old ldy]

Just hold on a little longer........

Know something that you're not sharing?

..........and GET READY

[Saint John]

Bottom line for me is that people continue to trash SP for his perceived (or actual) faults, at the same time continuing to praise the band in spite of theirs. Mostly talking about Dan here!!!

I don't praise the band. But I do respect them for keeping the music alive and working very hard ... when they're live. The darkest hour for the band was the lip synching scandal, and that's something I've never wavered from.

If you're really and truly "only in it for the music" as you've said on numerous occasions, then why continue to persecute the man,

It's a message board, that's why. I don't drag these conversations into my life outside of here, but here it's a debatable and relevant topic. Moreover, the guy was a complete shitbag of a band mate for more time than he wasn't. From about 1985 to 1998 there probably wasn't a bigger douchebag in music history. He fired 2 members, destroyed their musical direction, liquidated their assets, buried the brand name they worked so hard for, fired their manager, destroyed a lineup without any intention of ever touring, took years to make a decision that didn't actually require one being made, and then pouted like a shameless prick when they moved on without him ... even though he hasn't performed a single show since then! The guy was a controlling dickbag, a saboteur and a habitual quitter. You do the math ... Rolie doesn't care for him, Schon doesn't, Cain doesn't, Valory doesn't, Smith gave me an inkling of how he feels by rolling his eyes and Herbie hates him. That's virtually everyone he's worked with on a long term basis. Checkmate.

why not just LOVE the era that he participated in, and respect the contribution that he made to music in general and Journey in particular.

Gee, I guess me arguing that he has the greatest voice ever isn't enough. Oh well. You have to point out the good with the bad. That's just the way it goes. And from 1985 on, there's virtually nothing good that the guy did. Nothing. Everything was to fulfill contractual agreements that were an inconvenience to a man that had, by then, become a habitual quitter, and his own personal agenda. Like Neal said ... fuck him.

[slucero]

Alternate universe time... (cue Twilight Zone music)

"..picture if you will... a genius guitarist... alone on a mountain top.. hiking in preparation for the 3rd leg of a long tour... he makes a miss-step and tumbles, ass over apple-carts... into the ravine... whereupon landing, his hand is bent at an awkward angle.. the pain is excruciating... he struggles down the trail to his cabin... slams the door shut and grabs his trusty Aria Pro NS model... plugs it in and tries to play... but the pain is still horrendous... the band is scheduled to start the tour soon... what will he do..."


I wonder what your reaction would have been had Neal gone hiking in Hawaii and damaged his hands.... and then pulled a Perry...

[Gideon]

I wonder what your reaction would have been had Neal gone hiking in Hawaii and damaged his hands.... and then pulled a Perry...

Knowing Neal's passion for music, which is both factually and frankly several orders of magnitude greater than Perry's ever was, I doubt he'd be the kind to refuse medical procedures in order to repair the damage. Essentially, he'd get that shit taken care of real quick IMHO.