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Jana wrote:But I do believe he has something done. Whether it really ever gets released is the unknown.
bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jana wrote:But I do believe he has something done. Whether it really ever gets released is the unknown.
I remember a very adamant claim of a November 2009 release.
Hmm.
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madsplash wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jana wrote:But I do believe he has something done. Whether it really ever gets released is the unknown.
I remember a very adamant claim of a November 2009 release.
Hmm.
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Thanks for remembering.![]()
Missed it by a scooch, but I'll still bet I wasn't very far off.
Don't really care about predictions anymore, just about new music from the greatest ever.
madsplash wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jana wrote:But I do believe he has something done. Whether it really ever gets released is the unknown.
I remember a very adamant claim of a November 2009 release.
Hmm.
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Thanks for remembering.![]()
Missed it by a scooch, but I'll still bet I wasn't very far off.
Don't really care about predictions anymore, just about new music from the greatest ever.
tammy wrote:The thread title sounds like what the misfit toys said about Santa. I'm actually hoping for something, some time, but if not then that's okay - stuff happens...(but, the big 5-0 is coming in spring & that'd be a nice prezzie)
madsplash wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jana wrote:But I do believe he has something done. Whether it really ever gets released is the unknown.
I remember a very adamant claim of a November 2009 release.
Hmm.
![]()
Thanks for remembering.![]()
Missed it by a scooch, but I'll still bet I wasn't very far off.
Don't really care about predictions anymore, just about new music from the greatest ever.
STORY_TELLER wrote:Generally I don't post here much, but I occasionally drop in for the latest scoop on new music. That said, I notice everyone chatting about Perry's potential new solo work and holding their breath for an announcement.
So for all the blue faces out there, I want to point out the following:
Perry has no contract with Sony. If he has recorded new music, which I believe he has been privately doing on and off for years, he probably has no deal in place for distribution. I think the music is complete and has been for some time. Perry has shown himself to be a shrewd businessman. I think the wait is about the right distribution deal. A deal that provides maximum financial benefit and exposure for Perry as a solo artist and his work. Negotiating deals like this can take a long time, especially when it comes down to the language of the contracts. Until the stars align and that deal closes to Perry's satisfaction, we won't have access to whatever he intends to put out there.
I honestly think that's what the hold up is. I'm not claiming to be in the know about anything. This is just insight.
Something to consider when holding your breath, you know?
ST
STORY_TELLER wrote:Generally I don't post here much, but I occasionally drop in for the latest scoop on new music. That said, I notice everyone chatting about Perry's potential new solo work and holding their breath for an announcement.
So for all the blue faces out there, I want to point out the following:
Perry has no contract with Sony. If he has recorded new music, which I believe he has been privately doing on and off for years, he probably has no deal in place for distribution. I think the music is complete and has been for some time. Perry has shown himself to be a shrewd businessman. I think the wait is about the right distribution deal. A deal that provides maximum financial benefit and exposure for Perry as a solo artist and his work. Negotiating deals like this can take a long time, especially when it comes down to the language of the contracts. Until the stars align and that deal closes to Perry's satisfaction, we won't have access to whatever he intends to put out there.
I honestly think that's what the hold up is. I'm not claiming to be in the know about anything. This is just insight.
Something to consider when holding your breath, you know?
ST
Marabelle wrote:oh please already; enough of this babble about new music or not. if there is music then it should be released and heard if not then i really think all this fuss should just cease and be done with. he's been recording for years and stockpiling music. the purpose of writing and singing is that you want people to hear and enjoy your music not let it sit until you think you can fenaggle a better and more lucrative deal. if this was an independent singer just starting out then they would be scratching and clawing their way into getting their music heard; like the 80s singer songwriter;prince. but if the reason for you to sing is the cash cow then your entire reason to sing and be heard is not really a reason to sing it's a reason to balance your books and buy tickets to get out of the country for a nice long vacation. so i think it's a good explanation st; but it is just another lengthy tirade to try to explain why there is no music again and why people aren't loosening their grip on the money in their tightly held hands.
I think it's a perfectly sound explanation and I tend to agree with you ST. From what I have observed over the years, if you were to look up the word shrewd in the dictionary, it would have Perry's picture next to it. Herbie even said as much about him. I think he fully intends to release a CD, but yes, it takes time and he is such a perfectionist that nothing will go out without evry t crossed and every i dotted.STORY_TELLER wrote:Marabelle wrote:oh please already; enough of this babble about new music or not. if there is music then it should be released and heard if not then i really think all this fuss should just cease and be done with. he's been recording for years and stockpiling music. the purpose of writing and singing is that you want people to hear and enjoy your music not let it sit until you think you can fenaggle a better and more lucrative deal. if this was an independent singer just starting out then they would be scratching and clawing their way into getting their music heard; like the 80s singer songwriter;prince. but if the reason for you to sing is the cash cow then your entire reason to sing and be heard is not really a reason to sing it's a reason to balance your books and buy tickets to get out of the country for a nice long vacation. so i think it's a good explanation st; but it is just another lengthy tirade to try to explain why there is no music again and why people aren't loosening their grip on the money in their tightly held hands.
Respectfully, you simply haven't though this through. Music isn't made for free. There are costs involved. Big costs. Granted, much less today thanks to technology, but there are still investments made. You're saying Perry should ignore his costs and dump the CD on the market sans advertising? Why? So you and other individuals on this board who pine for his return can hear it sooner? Why would anyone in their right mind dump an artistic effort without first positioning it for maximum exposure? ESPECIALLY someone with the trickling output of Perry?
Development, recording, advertising, packaging, promotion -- all costs money. In order to have a chance to recoup the investment made not only by Perry, but those in business with him, they need many people to buy it. There's a big difference between seeking a "cash cow" and positioning an album for maximum exposure. No offense, but your argument is contradictory. Yes, it should be released and heard and in time, I'm sure it will. But if no one knows about it, how many people are going to hear it? And those indi singers you mentioned are largely scratching and clawing alright -- to get a record deal. Why? Exposure. Selling their creative works en masse. Not to the few, but to the many. That takes money.
More importantly, who are you to judge Perry's reasons? Maybe he only feels like he has one last album in him and he wants it to be heard by as many people as possible? And as for the cash cow thing -- do you know the man? Do you know what his health is like at his age? He's already had a hip replacement, maybe he's feeling his mortality? Maybe he has family he wants taken care of after he's gone? Did you think about that?
All I did was suggest a rationale for why the music hasn't been released. One that I didn't see brought up. If some of you want to sit around and complain about the reasons for the delays, at least consider the rational ones along with the others.
weatherman90 wrote:I'm still waiting and ready to pack up my camera and board a plane to wherever that first show is!
Ehwmatt wrote:weatherman90 wrote:I'm still waiting and ready to pack up my camera and board a plane to wherever that first show is!
Me too man, me too. Anywhere he plays, I'll be there. I need to see him if he goes back out there...
Michigan Girl wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:weatherman90 wrote:I'm still waiting and ready to pack up my camera and board a plane to wherever that first show is!
Me too man, me too. Anywhere he plays, I'll be there. I need to see him if he goes back out there...
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Sounds desperate....but I DO TOO!!![]()
STORY_TELLER wrote:Marabelle wrote:oh please already; enough of this babble about new music or not. if there is music then it should be released and heard if not then i really think all this fuss should just cease and be done with. he's been recording for years and stockpiling music. the purpose of writing and singing is that you want people to hear and enjoy your music not let it sit until you think you can fenaggle a better and more lucrative deal. if this was an independent singer just starting out then they would be scratching and clawing their way into getting their music heard; like the 80s singer songwriter;prince. but if the reason for you to sing is the cash cow then your entire reason to sing and be heard is not really a reason to sing it's a reason to balance your books and buy tickets to get out of the country for a nice long vacation. so i think it's a good explanation st; but it is just another lengthy tirade to try to explain why there is no music again and why people aren't loosening their grip on the money in their tightly held hands.
Respectfully, you simply haven't though this through. Music isn't made for free. There are costs involved. Big costs. Granted, much less today thanks to technology, but there are still investments made. You're saying Perry should ignore his costs and dump the CD on the market sans advertising? Why? So you and other individuals on this board who pine for his return can hear it sooner? Why would anyone in their right mind dump an artistic effort without first positioning it for maximum exposure? ESPECIALLY someone with the trickling output of Perry?
Development, recording, advertising, packaging, promotion -- all costs money. In order to have a chance to recoup the investment made not only by Perry, but those in business with him, they need many people to buy it. There's a big difference between seeking a "cash cow" and positioning an album for maximum exposure. No offense, but your argument is contradictory. Yes, it should be released and heard and in time, I'm sure it will. But if no one knows about it, how many people are going to hear it? And those indi singers you mentioned are largely scratching and clawing alright -- to get a record deal. Why? Exposure. Selling their creative works en masse. Not to the few, but to the many. That takes money.
More importantly, who are you to judge Perry's reasons? Maybe he only feels like he has one last album in him and he wants it to be heard by as many people as possible? And as for the cash cow thing -- do you know the man? Do you know what his health is like at his age? He's already had a hip replacement, maybe he's feeling his mortality? Maybe he has family he wants taken care of after he's gone? Did you think about that?
All I did was suggest a rationale for why the music hasn't been released. One that I didn't see brought up. If some of you want to sit around and complain about the reasons for the delays, at least consider the rational ones along with the others.
journeyrock wrote:I think it's a perfectly sound explanation and I tend to agree with you ST. From what I have observed over the years, if you were to look up the word shrewd in the dictionary, it would have Perry's picture next to it. Herbie even said as much about him. I think he fully intends to release a CD, but yes, it takes time and he is such a perfectionist that nothing will go out without evry t crossed and every i dotted.STORY_TELLER wrote:Marabelle wrote:oh please already; enough of this babble about new music or not. if there is music then it should be released and heard if not then i really think all this fuss should just cease and be done with. he's been recording for years and stockpiling music. the purpose of writing and singing is that you want people to hear and enjoy your music not let it sit until you think you can fenaggle a better and more lucrative deal. if this was an independent singer just starting out then they would be scratching and clawing their way into getting their music heard; like the 80s singer songwriter;prince. but if the reason for you to sing is the cash cow then your entire reason to sing and be heard is not really a reason to sing it's a reason to balance your books and buy tickets to get out of the country for a nice long vacation. so i think it's a good explanation st; but it is just another lengthy tirade to try to explain why there is no music again and why people aren't loosening their grip on the money in their tightly held hands.
Respectfully, you simply haven't though this through. Music isn't made for free. There are costs involved. Big costs. Granted, much less today thanks to technology, but there are still investments made. You're saying Perry should ignore his costs and dump the CD on the market sans advertising? Why? So you and other individuals on this board who pine for his return can hear it sooner? Why would anyone in their right mind dump an artistic effort without first positioning it for maximum exposure? ESPECIALLY someone with the trickling output of Perry?
Development, recording, advertising, packaging, promotion -- all costs money. In order to have a chance to recoup the investment made not only by Perry, but those in business with him, they need many people to buy it. There's a big difference between seeking a "cash cow" and positioning an album for maximum exposure. No offense, but your argument is contradictory. Yes, it should be released and heard and in time, I'm sure it will. But if no one knows about it, how many people are going to hear it? And those indi singers you mentioned are largely scratching and clawing alright -- to get a record deal. Why? Exposure. Selling their creative works en masse. Not to the few, but to the many. That takes money.
More importantly, who are you to judge Perry's reasons? Maybe he only feels like he has one last album in him and he wants it to be heard by as many people as possible? And as for the cash cow thing -- do you know the man? Do you know what his health is like at his age? He's already had a hip replacement, maybe he's feeling his mortality? Maybe he has family he wants taken care of after he's gone? Did you think about that?
All I did was suggest a rationale for why the music hasn't been released. One that I didn't see brought up. If some of you want to sit around and complain about the reasons for the delays, at least consider the rational ones along with the others.
froy wrote:Once again the man shuts everyone out
I look for his new songs at my 8 year old sons wedding.
Slow down Steve relax and do nothing.
Oh yea I forgot that's what he's doing
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