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Don wrote:It doesn't matter what Neal says. Follow the tweets during and after every show and you'll find what the average fan believes, that Journey has an "Asian Guy" that sounds just like the Perry.
Hey, it's what he is paid to do. With a setlist of 15 songs, when 13 of them are from the Perry era, of course it's all about copying the guy. That's what Pineda was hired for.
What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is. That's the Greatest Hits syndrome right there.
steveo777 wrote:Don wrote:It doesn't matter what Neal says. Follow the tweets during and after every show and you'll find what the average fan believes, that Journey has an "Asian Guy" that sounds just like the Perry.
Hey, it's what he is paid to do. With a setlist of 15 songs, when 13 of them are from the Perry era, of course it's all about copying the guy. That's what Pineda was hired for.
What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is. That's the Greatest Hits syndrome right there.
Of course. Perry was a household name while they were growing up, as he was when my kids were growing up. 20 years from now kids may know who Pineda is too.
Today the kids know the 60 year old ex lead singer of Journey. In 20 years they will know the name of another 60 something ex lead singer of Journey.
Don wrote:steveo777 wrote:Don wrote:It doesn't matter what Neal says. Follow the tweets during and after every show and you'll find what the average fan believes, that Journey has an "Asian Guy" that sounds just like the Perry.
Hey, it's what he is paid to do. With a setlist of 15 songs, when 13 of them are from the Perry era, of course it's all about copying the guy. That's what Pineda was hired for.
What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is. That's the Greatest Hits syndrome right there.
Of course. Perry was a household name while they were growing up, as he was when my kids were growing up. 20 years from now kids may know who Pineda is too.
Today the kids know the 60 year old ex lead singer of Journey. In 20 years they will know the name of another 60 something ex lead singer of Journey.
What leads you to believe this? Four years in the band, Oprah, two album releases, a DVD, over 200 shows and people still don't remember Arnel's name. How is that going to change 20 years from now?
Eclipse is back to moving 200 to 500 copies a week only two months after release. The band releases songs to radio yet won't play them live.
What is going to happen to make Pineda a recognizable figure in the next decade or so?
Don wrote:What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is.
Gideon wrote:Don wrote:What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is.
What's even more amazing is that Perry isn't a household name by any stretch of the imagination. Elvis, Mercury, Plant, and even Kurt fucking Cobain are etched into the public consciousness, but the lead singer of the 20th century's most downloaded song? Nah, he's faded into obscurity like the rest of his band. Perry's not even close to these giants in terms of name recognition.
Don wrote:Gideon wrote:Don wrote:What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is.
What's even more amazing is that Perry isn't a household name by any stretch of the imagination. Elvis, Mercury, Plant, and even Kurt fucking Cobain are etched into the public consciousness, but the lead singer of the 20th century's most downloaded song? Nah, he's faded into obscurity like the rest of his band. Perry's not even close to these giants in terms of name recognition.
I would say that he has a bit more recognition than some of his AOR peers like Lou Gramm though. Lou was a great vocalist but still pretty much part of a faceless band. I think that's one of the reasons that Kelly has been acccepted a lot easier than Arnel has. Also while Lou generally comes off as a bitter man in most of his interviews, Perry seems to be better at playing the media for all it's worth when he does stick his head out of his cave.
From my generation I'd say the majority of rock fans know who Perry is (if from nothing else, the round the clock exposure on MTV). Like his band though, it's always been 50/50 as far as who likes him and who thinks he's garbage but the name recognition is there, just not necessarily the respect.
Gideon wrote:Don wrote:What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is.
What's even more amazing is that Perry isn't a household name by any stretch of the imagination. Elvis, Mercury, Plant, and even Kurt fucking Cobain are etched into the public consciousness, but the lead singer of the 20th century's most downloaded song? Nah, he's faded into obscurity like the rest of his band. Perry's not even close to these giants in terms of name recognition.
madsplash wrote:Bullshit. I'll gaurantee you that more people know who Perry is than who Kurt freakin' Cobain is.
madsplash wrote:Perry wrote and sang anthems for all time.
madsplash wrote:Cobain ushered in the shittiest era of rock-n-roll ever. Grunge trash that no one over 15 took seriously.
madsplash wrote:Perry has more talent in his left hand than Cobain had in is whole body.
madsplash wrote:I'll give you Elvis, but not the others. Not now, with DSB and the recent stuff. More would know Perry than Cobain, Plant and Mercury.
madsplash wrote:God, Nirvana sucked.
Saint John wrote:madsplash wrote:Bullshit. I'll gaurantee you that more people know who Perry is than who Kurt freakin' Cobain is.![]()
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This is just, well, priceless! Are you serious with this shit?!? Nirvana was around for like 3 years and moved 50 million albums! This guy was the face of a monumental music shift, like it or not. His worldwide status and popularity is immense. Go to places like Bulgaria, Lithuania, Saudi Arabia, Colombia and Thailand and ask them who Steve Perry is ... and then ask them who Kurt Cobain is! Here's a stat for you that illustrates his popularity:
In 2006, Cobain took the place of Elvis Presley as the top-earning deceased celebrity, after the sale of the Nirvana song catalog. Presley reclaimed the spot in 2007.
Now I realize that Steve Perry is not legally dead, but, for all intents and purposes, he chooses to live a life that makes it seem as though he is.madsplash wrote:Perry wrote and sang anthems for all time.
He sang them and co-wrote them. Big difference. We know that Jonathan Cain brought Open Arms, Faithfully and DSB into the mix and that Perry helped make them complete. I know of no huge hit that he brought to the table.madsplash wrote:Cobain ushered in the shittiest era of rock-n-roll ever. Grunge trash that no one over 15 took seriously.
Yeah, yeah, yeah ... and I'm sure the same was said about Journey through the 80's. Only that they were a "chick band." Neither matters, but popularity and sales do. And Nirvana is an incredible part of pop culture.madsplash wrote:Perry has more talent in his left hand than Cobain had in is whole body.
I'd say that they were both pretty talented individuals. Perry being the far better singer and Cobain the better musician. However, neither of those things matter, as we're talking about popularity.madsplash wrote:I'll give you Elvis, but not the others. Not now, with DSB and the recent stuff. More would know Perry than Cobain, Plant and Mercury.
Trust me, of those 4 people, Steve Perry is the least popular worldwide. Those other 4 were world renowned artists.madsplash wrote:God, Nirvana sucked.
Relative to this argument and the ridiculous assertions you've made, this has nothing to do with anything. But most of your fawning, Teen Beat-like posts have that in common.
Joe Vana wrote:Saint John wrote:madsplash wrote:Bullshit. I'll gaurantee you that more people know who Perry is than who Kurt freakin' Cobain is.![]()
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This is just, well, priceless! Are you serious with this shit?!? Nirvana was around for like 3 years and moved 50 million albums! This guy was the face of a monumental music shift, like it or not. His worldwide status and popularity is immense. Go to places like Bulgaria, Lithuania, Saudi Arabia, Colombia and Thailand and ask them who Steve Perry is ... and then ask them who Kurt Cobain is! Here's a stat for you that illustrates his popularity:
In 2006, Cobain took the place of Elvis Presley as the top-earning deceased celebrity, after the sale of the Nirvana song catalog. Presley reclaimed the spot in 2007.
Now I realize that Steve Perry is not legally dead, but, for all intents and purposes, he chooses to live a life that makes it seem as though he is.madsplash wrote:Perry wrote and sang anthems for all time.
He sang them and co-wrote them. Big difference. We know that Jonathan Cain brought Open Arms, Faithfully and DSB into the mix and that Perry helped make them complete. I know of no huge hit that he brought to the table.madsplash wrote:Cobain ushered in the shittiest era of rock-n-roll ever. Grunge trash that no one over 15 took seriously.
Yeah, yeah, yeah ... and I'm sure the same was said about Journey through the 80's. Only that they were a "chick band." Neither matters, but popularity and sales do. And Nirvana is an incredible part of pop culture.madsplash wrote:Perry has more talent in his left hand than Cobain had in is whole body.
I'd say that they were both pretty talented individuals. Perry being the far better singer and Cobain the better musician. However, neither of those things matter, as we're talking about popularity.madsplash wrote:I'll give you Elvis, but not the others. Not now, with DSB and the recent stuff. More would know Perry than Cobain, Plant and Mercury.
Trust me, of those 4 people, Steve Perry is the least popular worldwide. Those other 4 were world renowned artists.madsplash wrote:God, Nirvana sucked.
Relative to this argument and the ridiculous assertions you've made, this has nothing to do with anything. But most of your fawning, Teen Beat-like posts have that in common.
Whether people like it or not, Cobain was a genius...he single handedly changed the face of music forever....and the Foo Fighters are continuing as well...I am not a huge fan, but you NEED to respect where respect is due....Perry vs. Cobain is like comparing the President to a House Representative....he WAS a true artist in EVERY sense of the word....to deny that is fanboydom....
Just my opinion.....JV
Don wrote:Cobain also got the other band members to give him a retroactive share of 75 percent of the royalties, going back to the album Nevermind, hence Courtney Love having initially a $200 million share in Nirvana's back catalog (she sold off 25% for $50 million in 2006 but has been offered $162 milion for the other 75%).
When we talk about how much money Perry, Schon, etc. make, I think it's fair to say that even with DSB being a huge seller, none of them have anything near the wealth of what Cobain had acquired for basically three albums of work (really two as the first album Bleach was a bust and only picked up sales later when being re-released after Nevermind and even then, only reached platinum in the States).
Greg wrote:Have to agree with SJ and JV. I don't like Cobain's way of life, but his band was single-handily responsible for changing the face of rock music.
madsplash wrote:Don wrote:Cobain also got the other band members to give him a retroactive share of 75 percent of the royalties, going back to the album Nevermind, hence Courtney Love having initially a $200 million share in Nirvana's back catalog (she sold off 25% for $50 million in 2006 but has been offered $162 milion for the other 75%).
When we talk about how much money Perry, Schon, etc. make, I think it's fair to say that even with DSB being a huge seller, none of them have anything near the wealth of what Cobain had acquired for basically three albums of work (really two as the first album Bleach was a bust and only picked up sales later when being re-released after Nevermind and even then, only reached platinum in the States).
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madsplash wrote:Greg wrote:Have to agree with SJ and JV. I don't like Cobain's way of life, but his band was single-handily responsible for changing the face of rock music.
Changed it for the worse. He single handedly lowered the bar for what a competent musician is supposed to be. The guy knew 3 chords on guitar and had the worst, warbley, off key voice ever.
And the supposed "anthem"that he wrote was just a song for the laziest gereation of teens of all time to rally around about being useless and stupid.
Here we are now, entertain us.![]()
Entertain yourselves, punks.
Nirvana = pointless, angry, nasty, shitty sounding drivel.
Greg wrote:madsplash wrote:Greg wrote:Have to agree with SJ and JV. I don't like Cobain's way of life, but his band was single-handily responsible for changing the face of rock music.
Changed it for the worse. He single handedly lowered the bar for what a competent musician is supposed to be. The guy knew 3 chords on guitar and had the worst, warbley, off key voice ever.
And the supposed "anthem"that he wrote was just a song for the laziest gereation of teens of all time to rally around about being useless and stupid.
Here we are now, entertain us.![]()
Entertain yourselves, punks.
Nirvana = pointless, angry, nasty, shitty sounding drivel.
Doesn't matter what you think about the music he made, the fact is Nirvana killed off AOR and hairband music and became huge. It was something new and different, and unfortunately, the hairband scene was getting mighty stale at that point.
majik wrote:Pineda covers Mr Mister's Broken Wings, very mediocre at best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ezktj6gZvU
madsplash wrote:Gideon wrote:Don wrote:What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is.
What's even more amazing is that Perry isn't a household name by any stretch of the imagination. Elvis, Mercury, Plant, and even Kurt fucking Cobain are etched into the public consciousness, but the lead singer of the 20th century's most downloaded song? Nah, he's faded into obscurity like the rest of his band. Perry's not even close to these giants in terms of name recognition.
Bullshit. I'll gaurantee you that more people know who Perry is than who Kurt freakin' Cobain is. Perry wrote and sang anthems for all time. Cobain ushered in the shittiest era of rock-n-roll ever. Grunge trash that no one over 15 took seriously.
Perry has more talent in his left hand than Cobain had in is whole body.
I'll give you Elvis, but not the others. Not now, with DSB and the recent stuff. More would know Perry than Cobain, Plant and Mercury.
God, Nirvana sucked.
steveo777 wrote:majik wrote:Pineda covers Mr Mister's Broken Wings, very mediocre at best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ezktj6gZvU
And he covers others quite well.
Hotel California
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqp6iAtf9cc
The fact is, he is pretty versatile. It may not all be perfect, but considering where he came from, I can't fault the guy for trying to get to somewhere better.
slucero wrote:madsplash wrote:Gideon wrote:Don wrote:What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is.
What's even more amazing is that Perry isn't a household name by any stretch of the imagination. Elvis, Mercury, Plant, and even Kurt fucking Cobain are etched into the public consciousness, but the lead singer of the 20th century's most downloaded song? Nah, he's faded into obscurity like the rest of his band. Perry's not even close to these giants in terms of name recognition.
Bullshit. I'll gaurantee you that more people know who Perry is than who Kurt freakin' Cobain is. Perry wrote and sang anthems for all time. Cobain ushered in the shittiest era of rock-n-roll ever. Grunge trash that no one over 15 took seriously.
Perry has more talent in his left hand than Cobain had in is whole body.
I'll give you Elvis, but not the others. Not now, with DSB and the recent stuff. More would know Perry than Cobain, Plant and Mercury.
God, Nirvana sucked.
Perry is known... but Cobain is "renown"... and will be remembered long after Perry... Cobain is in the "27 Club" after all....
Something else to ponder.... the Nirvana catalog/brand is worth much more than Journeys' ever will be... largely due to Cobain's death... that's notoriety money can't buy...
you may not like 'em... but you can't deny 'em....
steveo777 wrote:slucero wrote:madsplash wrote:Gideon wrote:Don wrote:What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is.
What's even more amazing is that Perry isn't a household name by any stretch of the imagination. Elvis, Mercury, Plant, and even Kurt fucking Cobain are etched into the public consciousness, but the lead singer of the 20th century's most downloaded song? Nah, he's faded into obscurity like the rest of his band. Perry's not even close to these giants in terms of name recognition.
Bullshit. I'll gaurantee you that more people know who Perry is than who Kurt freakin' Cobain is. Perry wrote and sang anthems for all time. Cobain ushered in the shittiest era of rock-n-roll ever. Grunge trash that no one over 15 took seriously.
Perry has more talent in his left hand than Cobain had in is whole body.
I'll give you Elvis, but not the others. Not now, with DSB and the recent stuff. More would know Perry than Cobain, Plant and Mercury.
God, Nirvana sucked.
Perry is known... but Cobain is "renown"... and will be remembered long after Perry... Cobain is in the "27 Club" after all....
Something else to ponder.... the Nirvana catalog/brand is worth much more than Journeys' ever will be... largely due to Cobain's death... that's notoriety money can't buy...
you may not like 'em... but you can't deny 'em....
Proof that "Nice guys finish last".
slucero wrote:steveo777 wrote:slucero wrote:madsplash wrote:Gideon wrote:Don wrote:What's amazing is how many of these younger people know Perry's name but are a bit lost about who Pineda is.
What's even more amazing is that Perry isn't a household name by any stretch of the imagination. Elvis, Mercury, Plant, and even Kurt fucking Cobain are etched into the public consciousness, but the lead singer of the 20th century's most downloaded song? Nah, he's faded into obscurity like the rest of his band. Perry's not even close to these giants in terms of name recognition.
Bullshit. I'll gaurantee you that more people know who Perry is than who Kurt freakin' Cobain is. Perry wrote and sang anthems for all time. Cobain ushered in the shittiest era of rock-n-roll ever. Grunge trash that no one over 15 took seriously.
Perry has more talent in his left hand than Cobain had in is whole body.
I'll give you Elvis, but not the others. Not now, with DSB and the recent stuff. More would know Perry than Cobain, Plant and Mercury.
God, Nirvana sucked.
Perry is known... but Cobain is "renown"... and will be remembered long after Perry... Cobain is in the "27 Club" after all....
Something else to ponder.... the Nirvana catalog/brand is worth much more than Journeys' ever will be... largely due to Cobain's death... that's notoriety money can't buy...
you may not like 'em... but you can't deny 'em....
Proof that "Nice guys finish last".
Journey... "nice guys"??
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