What Is the Great Mistake Lurking in ‘Don’t Stop Believin’’?

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What Is the Great Mistake Lurking in ‘Don’t Stop Believin’’?

Postby tater1977 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:48 am

What Is the Great Mistake Lurking in ‘Don’t Stop Believin’’?

By Peter Hyman
Today at 12:45 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/20 ... troit.html

Ever since 1998, when The Wedding Singer first resurrected Journey's “Don’t Stop Believin’”, the 1981 arena-rock anthem has achieved pop-culture permanence, whether soundtracking The Sopranos final scene, becoming synonymous with Glee, scoring a thousand flash mobs, or being piped into every professional sports arena in the land. With nearly 4.5 million digital units sold, it’s the most downloaded twentieth-century track in the history of counting such things. Jonathan Cain’s unmistakable opening piano riff reflexively inspires people all across this nation to pump their fists … although there is one spot where the arms always collectively falter, even if for just a moment: Southeastern Michigan. For nearly 31 years, this flash of distracting cognitive dissonance has struck each time Steve Perry's bright tenor lands on the iconic but geographically flawed second line: “just a city boy, born and raised in South Detroit." Because, as anyone with a tie to the Motor City knows, South Detroit doesn’t exist, either as a term of art or a geographical locale.


East Detroit? Sure. It’s where Eminen spent his adolescence. North? Home to the original Motown Records. Southwest? Best Mexican food in the state. But South Detroit is as fictional as the Shire of Middle-earth.


Yes, Detroit does have a southernmost portion, but this area is known as “downtown.” Directly south of downtown, across the Detroit River, is the Canadian hamlet of Windsor. South of that lies a vast stretch of towns known collectively as “Downriver,” which, at the time the song was written, was still somewhat rural. Technically speaking, this is the region the song refers to, making that mysterious male on the midnight train to nowhere something less than a “city boy.”


For three decades, this has stymied the Motor City adjacent, whose confusion is now a multigenerational phenomenon, one that strikes at the very heart of a city’s identity. Why the fictional neighborhood? And, on further thought, why did a bunch of Bay Area rockers with no ties to Detroit choose it as the fulcrum point for a ballad of hope and perseverance in the first place? This is how rabbit holes are dug. So to finally free Michiganders from these nagging questions that stop them from fully embracing what is our new unofficial national anthem, Vulture decided to solve the mystery by going to Steve Perry himself.


Reached in San Diego, the former Journey front man explained that some of the enduring song’s unique imagery came to him in the witching hour one morning in May of 1980 while the band was in Detroit for a five-night stand as part of the Departure tour. Perry, unable to sleep, stood staring out of his hotel room window at 2 a.m. “I was digging the idea of how the lights were facing down, so that you couldn’t see anything,” he says, recalling the night. “All of a sudden I’d see people walking out of the dark, and into the light. And the term ‘streelight people’ came to me. So Detroit was very much in my consciousness when we started writing.”


Yes, but what about South Detroit? :D For the love of Tim Allen, what about South Detroit? To that, Perry pleads poetic license, and ignorance, despite the fact that a quick glance at a map would have alerted him to the issue. “I ran the phonetics of east, west, and north, but nothing sounded as good or emotionally true to me as South Detroit,” he says. “The syntax just sounded right. I fell in love with the line. It’s only been in the last few years that I’ve learned that there is no South Detroit. But it doesn’t matter.”


If the frequency of pop-cultural recycling and the number of digital downloads are an accurate gauge, Perry is right, the flummoxing of an entire metropolitan notwithstanding. In fact, the song will likely continue to go on and on and on and on …
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Postby annie89509 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:53 pm

Steve is certainly getting a lot of press lately .... :lol:
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Postby swataz » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:44 am

Like Steve said, "It doesn't matter."

Must be a slow week for that columnist. lol
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Postby ribbons of color » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:34 am

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Postby Majestic » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:57 am

So why not just rename some Detroit neighborhood to "South Detroit?"! Why not! Throw in "Journey Ave." and "Don't Stop Believin' Blvd." too, for good measure. Hey, there's a town in Texas called "Dish" (as in Dish network) where all the residents get free Dish network for it, so I don't think creating South Detroit for publicity would be so bad! :wink:
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Postby Majestic » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:05 am

By the way, Michigan Ave appears to run East and West through Detroit, so perhaps South Detroit could be thought of as the portion of Detroit which is South of Michigan Ave, and North of the Canadian border. Probably Steve knowed that. :wink:
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Postby G.I.Jim » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:14 am

Sorry, but if you're in northern Detroit and facing south, you're facing south Detroit. Don't get what the big deal is???
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Postby tater1977 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:20 am

Go stand on Belle Isle..in the middle of the Detroit River..looking South lol.. & tell us what ya see? :D :D
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:07 am

G.I.Jim wrote:Sorry, but if you're in northern Detroit and facing south, you're facing south Detroit. Don't get what the big deal is???

B~I~N~G~O!! This debate has been going on for years, primarily from silly Motor City Mad People ...just shoosh and be
happy anyone is even talking about your great city!! There is always a south!! :wink:
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Postby tater1977 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:26 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:Sorry, but if you're in northern Detroit and facing south, you're facing south Detroit. Don't get what the big deal is???

B~I~N~G~O!! This debate has been going on for years, primarily from silly Motor City Mad People ...just shoosh and be
happy anyone is even talking about your great city!! There is always a south!! :wink:


The Canucks & Detroiters will keep this battle alive forever ....
Just depending on which side of the River your on...you shake your
head and go...Uh huh, Ok...Yea , Right...& keep on walking... :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:05 am

tater1977 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:Sorry, but if you're in northern Detroit and facing south, you're facing south Detroit. Don't get what the big deal is???

B~I~N~G~O!! This debate has been going on for years, primarily from silly Motor City Mad People ...just shoosh and be
happy anyone is even talking about your great city!! There is always a south!! :wink:


The Canucks & Detroiters will keep this battle alive forever ....
Just depending on which side of the River your on...you shake your
head and go...Uh huh, Ok...Yea , Right...& keep on walking... :lol:

That's right, eh!!

PS~great to hear the story of the BIRTH (or shall I say conception) of DSB, once again ...looking out of a hotel window,
while in Detroit, on the DEPARTURE tour ... you all know what that
means, don't you?!? PRE~CAIN ...yes, DSB was Perry's baby who was later nurtured
by Cain and the rest of the band!! Good Day!! :wink:
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Postby tater1977 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:32 am

A weird thought...

Journey played Cobo Hall. Steve says they were in a hotel close by, looking down at the street. I think its "John R" that runs in front of it.
The Mariott Hotel was/is in the Ren Cen at the time (now the GM HQ)..
in one of the West towers.. So if it was there lol...they would have seen a
LOT of streetlight ppl & loads of other stuff going on down there... :lol:

That crash that SP talks of in an old interview, where 1 limo ran into the back
of the 1 in front of it...& they all got out kicking & cussing the limos...
creating the traffic jam...think that was on John R ..near there too?
or Southfield?
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Postby Lora » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:20 am

A "mistake" in the song lyrics? Really dude? What a bizarre thing to focus on when writing a piece on the cultural significance of DSB. :roll:
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Postby tater1977 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:18 am

Lora wrote:A "mistake" in the song lyrics? Really dude? What a bizarre thing to focus on when writing a piece on the cultural significance of DSB. :roll:


Another writer wrote an article, correcting the 1st article's writer mistake..
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January 11, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Journey singer dishes on 'South Detroit' reference
By Susan Whitall
The Detroit News

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2012 ... tainment|p

In his Vulture story on the infamous "South Detroit" lyric snafu, writer Peter Hyman initially referred to "East Detroit" as being where Eminem spent his adolescence, and "North Detroit" where Motown is (he's since corrected it).

"East Detroit" used to exist years ago, until it changed its name to "Eastpointe" (and Eminem lived closer to Eight Mile). As for Motown being in "North Detroit" (a phrase few around here use), it's more accurate to say 2648 W. Grand Blvd., is on Detroit's west side...

LOL will it ever stop... :roll:
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Postby tammy » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:35 pm

Huh? The writer of the snafu article didn't read his own writing...he even said "there is a southernmost part of Detroit known as downtown"...so there...downtown is where the city boy is from. :D
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